What is the free market?

gipper

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In the age of Neo-Progressive statist big government America, many Americans have no idea what it means. Amazingly...in the nation that prospered due to a free market economy, millions of Americans have accepted the state's propaganda.

Not only statist educated and brainwashed teenagers have no clue, but many adult Americans are clueless too...including many members of USMB.

This short bit might help those in need, comprehend its meaning...
A "teen" who never heard of the free market?
Think about that...Only in a world where The State dominates education, the media, and entertainment can you reach "teenage" years and never hear about the free market.


Compare this tragic human occurrence to what takes place in the wild. When a baby wildebeest is born, he must immediately learn how to walk and run. Why? Because if he doesn't, he can be gobbled up by the lions!

Well, humans who do not understand the free market are gobbled up by The State!

What is the free market?
The free market is nothing more than a series of voluntary exchanges. No one has the privilege (or the legal authority) to use aggressive force against another person to get what he wants. Everyone is free to exchange and trade without a third party (i.e., The State) sticking its nose in to dictate the terms.

Is that so complex? How long would you give an average human to understand something so simple?

Here's the challenge. Just as the lions do not care if the wildebeest is a youngling, The State doesn't care either. It gobbles up the kids early. It's now setting up "universal pre-K"!!

So there isn't much time!

You surely can't wait until teenage years. By that point, The State will have your kid calling for an increase in the minimum wage, and asking you to take him to the Lincoln Memorial.

Should teens learn from "pictures or a game"?
Are the words "voluntary exchange, without aggressive force" too much for a teenager to handle?


EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Help For Teens Who Have Been Gobbled Up By The State
 
So an American entity achieves success in America and then moves it's headquarters to India or China where they can now hire workers who want to commit suicide.
That's the end result of today's Free Market.
Can/Should we change it?
Nope.
But let the other nations pay for their Naval escorts and airport security, not Americans.
 
The OP is a gross over simplification.
Despite what libs say, conservatives see the place of gov't in the free market. There is contract law. There are patents. There are defintions of weights and measures. There are tax considerations.
But they are very very minimal ground rules the state sets and enforces and lets the other parties work out arrangements in the context of state laws without bias.
 
What is the free market?

A nice idea, that is, for all practical purposes, a myth as big as the Easter Bunny, and even harder to locate.
 
The OP is a gross over simplification.
Despite what libs say, conservatives see the place of gov't in the free market. There is contract law. There are patents. There are defintions of weights and measures. There are tax considerations.
But they are very very minimal ground rules the state sets and enforces and lets the other parties work out arrangements in the context of state laws without bias.

True. Of course, liberals were never content to abide by government playing a smaller role as intended. Making and enforcing fair regulations is a must. They stretched that to mean regulate every little thing, then tax every little thing. These days, starting a small business is extremely difficult because of all the hurdles thrown down by an overreaching government. Even children cannot have lemonade stands. Libs support this, though no problems ever arose from young entrepreneurs making a few cents. Instead of just telling people to use common sense and realizing that buying a 10 cent glass of lemonade from a neighbor kid might be a crapshoot, they insist that the water may not be up to standard and you won't know the sugar content, etc. So they shut them down. Some people who used to provide free food to homeless people were told to stop unless they jumped through a thousand government hoops to give away food. Better that people starve than risk eating something from someone who didn't pay outrageous fees for licenses. Of course, it's all about the money. Government grants licenses, which does not guarantee quality. They cannot oversee all their regulations. But if you paid the money, it's all good.

The red tape is thicker than ever and yet there are still constant problems with lawsuits over medications and everything else. The very things government was supposed to prevent is still a problem. But, hey the companies paid their dues, so who cares.

Government sets rules, claiming it's to protect us, then they take the money and the problem remains. So, they make more rules and take more money. The problem gets worse. And the cycle continues. The bloated bureaucracy is at the center of the corrupt government.

Now, it's hard for people to start new businesses and create jobs. The banks are limited on the number of small business loans they can make. Government doesn't want people out there starting companies, making money and creating opportunities for other people.

It's not a free market when the government puts roadblocks down for the little guys trying to create businesses. Even those who did manage to create their businesses are now being killed by Obamacare. There is nothing free about our markets anymore. We have a strangled market system.
 
So an American entity achieves success in America and then moves it's headquarters to India or China where they can now hire workers who want to commit suicide.
That's the end result of today's Free Market.
Can/Should we change it?
Nope.
But let the other nations pay for their Naval escorts and airport security, not Americans.
Its the end result of today's markets precisely because they are not free.
 
So an American entity achieves success in America and then moves it's headquarters to India or China where they can now hire workers who want to commit suicide.
That's the end result of today's Free Market.
Can/Should we change it?
Nope.
But let the other nations pay for their Naval escorts and airport security, not Americans.
Its the end result of today's markets precisely because they are not free.

It is funny that libs point to "market failures" that were actually casued by government failures.
 
So an American entity achieves success in America and then moves it's headquarters to India or China where they can now hire workers who want to commit suicide.
That's the end result of today's Free Market.
Can/Should we change it?
Nope.
But let the other nations pay for their Naval escorts and airport security, not Americans.
Its the end result of today's markets precisely because they are not free.

It is funny that libs point to "market failures" that were actually casued by government failures.

Give us your list? I love fodder...
 
The OP is a gross over simplification.
Despite what libs say, conservatives see the place of gov't in the free market. There is contract law. There are patents. There are defintions of weights and measures. There are tax considerations.
But they are very very minimal ground rules the state sets and enforces and lets the other parties work out arrangements in the context of state laws without bias.

True. Of course, liberals were never content to abide by government playing a smaller role as intended. Making and enforcing fair regulations is a must. They stretched that to mean regulate every little thing, then tax every little thing. These days, starting a small business is extremely difficult because of all the hurdles thrown down by an overreaching government. Even children cannot have lemonade stands. Libs support this, though no problems ever arose from young entrepreneurs making a few cents. Instead of just telling people to use common sense and realizing that buying a 10 cent glass of lemonade from a neighbor kid might be a crapshoot, they insist that the water may not be up to standard and you won't know the sugar content, etc. So they shut them down. Some people who used to provide free food to homeless people were told to stop unless they jumped through a thousand government hoops to give away food. Better that people starve than risk eating something from someone who didn't pay outrageous fees for licenses. Of course, it's all about the money. Government grants licenses, which does not guarantee quality. They cannot oversee all their regulations. But if you paid the money, it's all good.

The red tape is thicker than ever and yet there are still constant problems with lawsuits over medications and everything else. The very things government was supposed to prevent is still a problem. But, hey the companies paid their dues, so who cares.

Government sets rules, claiming it's to protect us, then they take the money and the problem remains. So, they make more rules and take more money. The problem gets worse. And the cycle continues. The bloated bureaucracy is at the center of the corrupt government.

Now, it's hard for people to start new businesses and create jobs. The banks are limited on the number of small business loans they can make. Government doesn't want people out there starting companies, making money and creating opportunities for other people.

It's not a free market when the government puts roadblocks down for the little guys trying to create businesses. Even those who did manage to create their businesses are now being killed by Obamacare. There is nothing free about our markets anymore. We have a strangled market system.

You absolutely, positively NAILED the whole debate right on the head!

It is ALWAYS impossible to refute FACTS (unless you are a left wingnut), and you presented PLENTY of facts.
 
This is the free market:
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Thank you, small government fiscal Conservatives, for spending billions of our tax dollars each year to keep the free market from being free.
 
Both choice suck...You either vote far right = pure capitalism without regulations or safeguards, or your vote hard left = state control.

There isn't any middle ground that made this country successful over the 20th century. How sicking.
 
Both choice suck...You either vote far right = pure capitalism without regulations or safeguards, or your vote hard left = state control.

There isn't any middle ground that made this country successful over the 20th century. How sicking.

Fallacy of the disappearing middle.
Rabbi Rules!
 
The "free market" is a code word for a capitalist utopia of slave labor, free pollution and zero taxes, it is not anything to aspire to.
 

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