What is the answer to this 10th grade question on a biology test?

[JoeB131]

More striking --- how dare this teacher suggest to his students that if you have a down syndrome child in your womb you should strongly consider aborting that child. That, is what this question is intending to plant in their minds. It is saying downs syndrome children could “morally” be candidates for the abortion mills.

1) It wasn't a teacher, it was an on-line test not affliated with the school district.

2) 91% of women who test positive for Down Syndrome in their fetuses choose to abort. Frankly, I have more sympathy for a woman not wanting to bring a child into this world with Downs than I do for the girl who has an abortion because she couldn't get her boyfriend to marry her.

I can cite a source, but I do not care to.

No, you plain old can't. and you aren't man enough to admit you can't. Doesn't your Sky Pixie have rules against lying?

I have dealt with years and layers of cynicism on these boards when it comes to providing evidence for God and for many divine manifestations. I already know the kinds of responses I get to them from those who have no interest in being sincere or set in their positions of denial. Usually mockery or suggestions of wild improbable “explanations” --- things like mass hallucination, weeping statues are all hoaxes contrived by nuns, etc. --- or more often than not just a quick dismissal or indifference.

We aren't talking about weeping statues, guy. You are claiming the Virgin Mary said something. Where is your proof she said it?

So what you are saying is that applying critical investigation to outlandish claims isn't a good idea?

Jesus said an evil age is eager for a sign but no sign will be given it except that of Jonah. Jonah was in reference to Himself three days in the tomb and the resurrection. No sign will be given means every sign or manifestation that God does or has provided they look for reasons to try to pretend it is not a sign or they ignore it. They may be fooling themselves, but not God.

Well, it would be nice if we could document that Jesus actually said that, rather than claim he said it in a Gospel written decades after his ministry.

 

[koshergrl]

Guy, we aren't talking about the Truth here. You made a claim a person made a statement. You should be able to cite a source.

I can cite a source, but I do not care to. I have dealt with years and layers of cynicism on these boards when it comes to providing evidence for God and for many divine manifestations. I already know the kinds of responses I get to them from those who have no interest in being sincere or set in their positions of denial. Usually mockery or suggestions of wild improbable “explanations” --- things like mass hallucination, weeping statues are all hoaxes contrived by nuns, etc. --- or more often than not just a quick dismissal or indifference.

Jesus said an evil age is eager for a sign but no sign will be given it except that of Jonah. Jonah was in reference to Himself three days in the tomb and the resurrection. No sign will be given means every sign or manifestation that God does or has provided they look for reasons to try to pretend it is not a sign or they ignore it. They may be fooling themselves, but not God.

Yeah I've posted the links to the criminal acts of PP so many times that when assholes demand links to "prove" it, I just tell them to fuck themselves. They know, and I know, and I know they know, that I have posted the verification a thousand times. They just do it as a distraction, and to lend teeth to their pretense that they don't know exactly what is going on, and approve it.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah I've posted the links to the criminal acts of PP so many times that when assholes demand links to "prove" it, I just tell them to fuck themselves. They know, and I know, and I know they know, that I have posted the verification a thousand times. They just do it as a distraction, and to lend teeth to their pretense that they don't know exactly what is going on, and approve it.

Fetuses aren't people That's why everyone ignores your "Proof".

I'll take your concern for children seriously when your side stops trying to snatch food out of the mouths of hungry children to give tax cuts to billionaires.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

That question has no business being on a HS biology exam.

I agree, especially if there is a chance that the baby will be okay. This may be a dumb question, but would "the options" be considered if the parents were told that the child would eventually go on to have mental illness like so many others in this country claim to have?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah I've posted the links to the criminal acts of PP so many times that when assholes demand links to "prove" it, I just tell them to fuck themselves. They know, and I know, and I know they know, that I have posted the verification a thousand times. They just do it as a distraction, and to lend teeth to their pretense that they don't know exactly what is going on, and approve it.

Fetuses aren't people That's why everyone ignores your "Proof".

I'll take your concern for children seriously when your side stops trying to snatch food out of the mouths of hungry children to give tax cuts to billionaires.

Yes, fetuses are people.
I don't care if a criminal who agitates for compulsory abortion takes me seriously or not. You're an irrelevant pig.
That was easy.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, fetuses are people.
I don't care if a criminal who agitates for compulsory abortion takes me seriously or not. You're an irrelevant pig.
That was easy.

Today thousands of women will freely exercise their glorious right to rid their bodies of unwanted parasites... and there ain't jack shit you can do about it.

heh, heh,heh,heh..

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“John and his sister Brittany are high school students in a small town. Their mother Jill is 40 years old and has just learned that she is pregnant with a child. Genetic testing has indicated that the child has Down’s syndrome. Their family doctor has recommended that Jill have an abortion. John and Brittany’s mother and father have called the family together to discuss their options. Which of the following statements describes how the family should make this decision?

A. The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed.

B. The parents should consider many aspects of this decision including, religious beliefs, financial burden, the effect on other family members, the mother’s health, the doctor’s recommendation and the life of the unborn child and then make the best decision for everyone.

C. The doctor has more scientific knowledge. The parents should follow the advice of the doctor and have the abortion.

D. The parents should consider the wishes of the mother, since she will carry the greatest responsibility for the child, and do whatever she wants.”


Heck, I do not know? Wasn’t I paying attention in biology class? Maybe there is no correct answer but what is the objective of this question then? I thought the article said it was on a test?

I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.

Ok, thanks. Just tell me what happens when we die since you school administrators and govt rulers are so smart. But if you cannot answer that question then do not usurp the authority given by God to parents and tell the kids it’s great to choose to be a homosexual if you are confused, or tell them you too can be a transgender if you feel like it, or tell them if you want a secret abortion without your parents even knowing you are pregnant we can arrange that, or tell them the best ways to have sex as a teen and all the ways you can have sex without intercourse at ages so young it would make a lecher blush.

The Virgin Mary said “what angers God most in these times is man’s shameless immorality and foul ingratitude.” (But is anyone even listening, much less care?)

Question on Utah biology test about aborting fetus with Down syndrome prompts policy change

A truly lame, ridiculous, and idiotic thread premise.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

TURZOVKA SAID:

“I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.”

No, you don’t know – this is an idiotic lie, it’s delusional and completely devoid of fact or merit.

Liberals defend the Constitution and its case law, privacy rights jurisprudence in particular, which protects the right of citizens to make such decisions in accordance with their own good faith and good conscience, free from unwarranted interference from government.

 

[FJO]

Yes, fetuses are people.
I don't care if a criminal who agitates for compulsory abortion takes me seriously or not. You're an irrelevant pig.
That was easy.

Today thousands of women will freely exercise their glorious right to rid their bodies of unwanted parasites... and there ain't jack shit you can do about it.

heh, heh,heh,heh..

Too bad they never exercised their "glorious" right of NOT getting knocked up.
And even more too bad that mothers of pro abortionists never exercised that "glorious" right.

 

[JoeB131]

Too bad they never exercised their "glorious" right of NOT getting knocked up.
And even more too bad that mothers of pro abortionists never exercised that "glorious" right.

That joke wasn't funny when Dan Akroyd did it back in the 1970s "Jane, you ignorant slut!"

Hey, here's the thing, the best anti-abortion program would be women knowing how to avoid pregnancy to start with. but you conservatards don't want to teach sex ed in the schools without teaching abstinence only, which doesn't work.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

“John and his sister Brittany are high school students in a small town. Their mother Jill is 40 years old and has just learned that she is pregnant with a child. Genetic testing has indicated that the child has Down’s syndrome. Their family doctor has recommended that Jill have an abortion. John and Brittany’s mother and father have called the family together to discuss their options. Which of the following statements describes how the family should make this decision?

A. The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed.

B. The parents should consider many aspects of this decision including, religious beliefs, financial burden, the effect on other family members, the mother’s health, the doctor’s recommendation and the life of the unborn child and then make the best decision for everyone.

C. The doctor has more scientific knowledge. The parents should follow the advice of the doctor and have the abortion.

D. The parents should consider the wishes of the mother, since she will carry the greatest responsibility for the child, and do whatever she wants.”


Heck, I do not know? Wasn’t I paying attention in biology class? Maybe there is no correct answer but what is the objective of this question then? I thought the article said it was on a test?

I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.

Ok, thanks. Just tell me what happens when we die since you school administrators and govt rulers are so smart. But if you cannot answer that question then do not usurp the authority given by God to parents and tell the kids it’s great to choose to be a homosexual if you are confused, or tell them you too can be a transgender if you feel like it, or tell them if you want a secret abortion without your parents even knowing you are pregnant we can arrange that, or tell them the best ways to have sex as a teen and all the ways you can have sex without intercourse at ages so young it would make a lecher blush.

The Virgin Mary said “what angers God most in these times is man’s shameless immorality and foul ingratitude.” (But is anyone even listening, much less care?)

Question on Utah biology test about aborting fetus with Down syndrome prompts policy change

You could not be more wrong..This little test is for people to make a decision if presented with an occurrence in ones life.....You on the other hand seem to have no reasoning skills as you have flown off the wall with your knee-jerk response

Why the uproar then?

I did not say that the teacher or school said there is a correct answer. I said that public schools should not be in the business of programming students to think abortion is ok, or homosexuality is a choice for them to make and it's ok, or we need to learn about she-males and make this just as important as learning to read, write and speak properly.

Ok? It is not about this test, it is about our government and schools playing God. It is actually evil.

The answers are mere suggestions, no one is promoting abortion in the questionnaire anymore than they are suggesting fratricide...And there is a choice by the student to select a category from which to live.Did you think that no one ever tried to influence another humans choice of paths to follow in this world....Religion does it also....Parents, friends, peers, work, education, self reflection...all have an influence from a bias, yet it is all up to the individual to decide..

The correc answer wasn't provided as a choice. Nevertheless, the question doesn't belong in a biology test. This is programming our children.

 

[Moonglow]

“John and his sister Brittany are high school students in a small town. Their mother Jill is 40 years old and has just learned that she is pregnant with a child. Genetic testing has indicated that the child has Down’s syndrome. Their family doctor has recommended that Jill have an abortion. John and Brittany’s mother and father have called the family together to discuss their options. Which of the following statements describes how the family should make this decision?

A. The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed.

B. The parents should consider many aspects of this decision including, religious beliefs, financial burden, the effect on other family members, the mother’s health, the doctor’s recommendation and the life of the unborn child and then make the best decision for everyone.

C. The doctor has more scientific knowledge. The parents should follow the advice of the doctor and have the abortion.

D. The parents should consider the wishes of the mother, since she will carry the greatest responsibility for the child, and do whatever she wants.”


Heck, I do not know? Wasn’t I paying attention in biology class? Maybe there is no correct answer but what is the objective of this question then? I thought the article said it was on a test?

I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.

Ok, thanks. Just tell me what happens when we die since you school administrators and govt rulers are so smart. But if you cannot answer that question then do not usurp the authority given by God to parents and tell the kids it’s great to choose to be a homosexual if you are confused, or tell them you too can be a transgender if you feel like it, or tell them if you want a secret abortion without your parents even knowing you are pregnant we can arrange that, or tell them the best ways to have sex as a teen and all the ways you can have sex without intercourse at ages so young it would make a lecher blush.

The Virgin Mary said “what angers God most in these times is man’s shameless immorality and foul ingratitude.” (But is anyone even listening, much less care?)

Question on Utah biology test about aborting fetus with Down syndrome prompts policy change

You could not be more wrong..This little test is for people to make a decision if presented with an occurrence in ones life.....You on the other hand seem to have no reasoning skills as you have flown off the wall with your knee-jerk response

Why the uproar then?

I did not say that the teacher or school said there is a correct answer. I said that public schools should not be in the business of programming students to think abortion is ok, or homosexuality is a choice for them to make and it's ok, or we need to learn about she-males and make this just as important as learning to read, write and speak properly.

Ok? It is not about this test, it is about our government and schools playing God. It is actually evil.

The answers are mere suggestions, no one is promoting abortion in the questionnaire anymore than they are suggesting fratricide...And there is a choice by the student to select a category from which to live.Did you think that no one ever tried to influence another humans choice of paths to follow in this world....Religion does it also....Parents, friends, peers, work, education, self reflection...all have an influence from a bias, yet it is all up to the individual to decide..

The correc answer wasn't provided as a choice. Nevertheless, the question doesn't belong in a biology test. This is programming our children.

Hardly so, as each child will make their own decision when the time comes..

 

[turzovka]

Yes, fetuses are people.
I don't care if a criminal who agitates for compulsory abortion takes me seriously or not. You're an irrelevant pig.
That was easy.

Today thousands of women will freely exercise their glorious right to rid their bodies of unwanted parasites... and there ain't jack shit you can do about it.

heh, heh,heh,heh..

I see you have been wounded by words so you strike back in a very vile way hoping to cause as much pain as you can.

Parasites, yeah, real cool. This is precisely why I will not take the time to give you documented history as evidence for God. Because you are not interested in knowing or changing. Ego is a killer. And ego never admits its own faults.

 

[Arianrhod]

The premise is idiotic:

"The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed."

The genetics don't "change."

 

[turzovka]

Liberals defend the Constitution and its case law, privacy rights jurisprudence in particular, which protects the right of citizens to make such decisions in accordance with their own good faith and good conscience, free from unwarranted interference from government.

Yes, I can tell how honorable the liberal mission is just by observing the past and present of many of its recent leaders. You call that honor and goodness?

We are willing to discuss ideas with you, but not be played as an idiot.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

TURZOVKA SAID:

“I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.”

No, you don’t know – this is an idiotic lie, it’s delusional and completely devoid of fact or merit.

Liberals defend the Constitution and its case law, privacy rights jurisprudence in particular, which protects the right of citizens to make such decisions in accordance with their own good faith and good conscience, free from unwarranted interference from government.

^^^ more liberal delusion that they are upholding the Constitution when they don't afford a human baby's basic right to life.

 

[JoeB131]

I see you have been wounded by words so you strike back in a very vile way hoping to cause as much pain as you can.

I strike at Koshie because she's full of shit. That and she accuses everyone who disagrees with her of committing crimes.

Also, I frankly get sick and tired of you Xian phonies who cry all day about the fetuses but don't give a crap about the real children who are already here.

Parasites, yeah, real cool. This is precisely why I will not take the time to give you documented history as evidence for God. Because you are not interested in knowing or changing. Ego is a killer. And ego never admits its own faults.

You don't offer proof because you don't got none. I would LOVE the day we apply the consumer fraud laws to the faith industry. I promise you, there's not a religion in the world that would survive even the simplist tests to verfiy their claims

 

[JoeB131]

The premise is idiotic:

"The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed."

The genetics don't "change."

To be fair, the test for Downs only has a 95% accuracy rate. Since 91% of women who get a positive result abort (thankfully), it probably means a fairly good chunk of the Medical Waste didn't have Downs.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Yes, fetuses are people.
I don't care if a criminal who agitates for compulsory abortion takes me seriously or not. You're an irrelevant pig.
That was easy.

Today thousands of women will freely exercise their glorious right to rid their bodies of unwanted parasites... and there ain't jack shit you can do about it.

heh, heh,heh,heh..

I see you have been wounded by words so you strike back in a very vile way hoping to cause as much pain as you can.

Parasites, yeah, real cool. This is precisely why I will not take the time to give you documented history as evidence for God. Because you are not interested in knowing or changing. Ego is a killer. And ego never admits its own faults.

There is no ‘evidence’ for ‘god’ as perceived by theists.

But the Constitution protects your right to believe in your ‘god,’ and to oppose abortion for whatever reason or reasons you so desire – no matter how subjective or devoid of fact and merit those reasons might be.

You have the right to not have an abortion, and you have the right as a private citizen to speak out in opposition to abortion in the context of private society.

Just as the Constitution protects the right of other citizens to follow the law concerning abortion, which codifies and acknowledges the settled, accepted fact, a fact beyond dispute, that prior to birth an embryo/fetus is entitled to no Constitutional protections, that one is not a person until born, and that the protected liberty of the woman is paramount until such time as she indeed gives birth.

That’s the genius of our Constitutional Republic: that citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men, as men are incapable of ruling justly – laws seeking to compel a woman to give birth against her will through force of law predicated on subjective religious dogma is proof of that.

So believe in your ‘god’ as you like, secure in the knowledge that your right to do so is safeguarded by the Constitution and its case law, as is the right of others to believe as they see fit, in accordance with their own good faith and good conscience, consistent with the rule of law.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“John and his sister Brittany are high school students in a small town. Their mother Jill is 40 years old and has just learned that she is pregnant with a child. Genetic testing has indicated that the child has Down’s syndrome. Their family doctor has recommended that Jill have an abortion. John and Brittany’s mother and father have called the family together to discuss their options. Which of the following statements describes how the family should make this decision?

A. The parents should wait until the baby is ready to be born, then re-do the genetic tests to see if the results have changed.

B. The parents should consider many aspects of this decision including, religious beliefs, financial burden, the effect on other family members, the mother’s health, the doctor’s recommendation and the life of the unborn child and then make the best decision for everyone.

C. The doctor has more scientific knowledge. The parents should follow the advice of the doctor and have the abortion.

D. The parents should consider the wishes of the mother, since she will carry the greatest responsibility for the child, and do whatever she wants.”


Heck, I do not know? Wasn’t I paying attention in biology class? Maybe there is no correct answer but what is the objective of this question then? I thought the article said it was on a test?

I know… the school and the defendants of liberal “morals” will tell us this is some rogue teacher who put this in there and it has nothing to do with social engineering which the conservatives and Christians are screaming about that is taking place in our public schools and government policies.

Ok, thanks. Just tell me what happens when we die since you school administrators and govt rulers are so smart. But if you cannot answer that question then do not usurp the authority given by God to parents and tell the kids it’s great to choose to be a homosexual if you are confused, or tell them you too can be a transgender if you feel like it, or tell them if you want a secret abortion without your parents even knowing you are pregnant we can arrange that, or tell them the best ways to have sex as a teen and all the ways you can have sex without intercourse at ages so young it would make a lecher blush.

The Virgin Mary said “what angers God most in these times is man’s shameless immorality and foul ingratitude.” (But is anyone even listening, much less care?)

Question on Utah biology test about aborting fetus with Down syndrome prompts policy change

You could not be more wrong..This little test is for people to make a decision if presented with an occurrence in ones life.....You on the other hand seem to have no reasoning skills as you have flown off the wall with your knee-jerk response

Why the uproar then?

I did not say that the teacher or school said there is a correct answer. I said that public schools should not be in the business of programming students to think abortion is ok, or homosexuality is a choice for them to make and it's ok, or we need to learn about she-males and make this just as important as learning to read, write and speak properly.

Ok? It is not about this test, it is about our government and schools playing God. It is actually evil.

The answers are mere suggestions, no one is promoting abortion in the questionnaire anymore than they are suggesting fratricide...And there is a choice by the student to select a category from which to live.Did you think that no one ever tried to influence another humans choice of paths to follow in this world....Religion does it also....Parents, friends, peers, work, education, self reflection...all have an influence from a bias, yet it is all up to the individual to decide..

The correc answer wasn't provided as a choice. Nevertheless, the question doesn't belong in a biology test. This is programming our children.

Nonsense.

No one is ‘programming’ children.

As already correctly noted: as children grow to become adults, they will in time make decisions about such matters on their own, free to do so consistent with their own beliefs, their right to do so protected by the Constitution.