What is Israel's legal "right to exist?"

[abi]

Yes the Jerusalem Talmud was written in the Galilee.
abi don't play dumb. Read.

And that is only in the religious texts. Distinguish between religious texts and historical sources.

Did you know that continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem was a zionist myth?

 

[rylah]

Yes the Jerusalem Talmud was written in the Galilee.
abi don't play dumb. Read.

And that is only in the religious texts. Distinguish between religious texts and historical sources.

Did you know that continuous Jewish presence in Jerusalem was a zionist myth?

abi, and what's the problem with it being a "religious" text?
Are religious text non existent? Or is reference to religious texts a kind of magic?

Abi the Jerusalem Talmud is a huge volume of legal discussion of Jewish law - a clear sign of a functional society.

 

[jamesduncan]

ISIS, Israel, Iraq, And Syria: It’s All Part Of The Plan--?

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS
http://tinyurl.com/jban98t

Updated: Israeli General Captured in Iraq Confesses to Israel-Isis Coalition\“There is a strong cooperation between MOSSAD and ISIS top military commanders...Israeli advisors helping the Organization on laying out strategic and military plans, and guiding them in the battlefield”
http://tinyurl.com/pxoymlc

UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria
http://tinyurl.com/ne2rx7d

ISIS is a Creation of the Mossad
http://tinyurl.com/zw7z58l

ISIS, Israel, Iraq, And Syria: It’s All Part Of The Plan
http://tinyurl.com/gnqnpsw

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[abi]

abi, and what's the problem with it being a "religious" text?
Are religious text non existent? Or is reference to religious texts a kind of magic?

Abi the Jerusalem Talmud is a huge volume of legal discussion of Jewish law - a clear sign of a functional society.

We simply don't religious texts for an academic discussion regarding history.

That said, you link also states:

The Jerusalem Talmud was compiled in the Land of Israel, then divided between the Byzantine provinces of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda, and was brought to an end sometime around 400.

 

[abi]

ISIS, Israel, Iraq, And Syria: It’s All Part Of The Plan--?

Putin Aide Says Israel is Training ISIS
http://tinyurl.com/jban98t

Updated: Israeli General Captured in Iraq Confesses to Israel-Isis Coalition\“There is a strong cooperation between MOSSAD and ISIS top military commanders...Israeli advisors helping the Organization on laying out strategic and military plans, and guiding them in the battlefield”
http://tinyurl.com/pxoymlc

UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria
http://tinyurl.com/ne2rx7d

ISIS is a Creation of the Mossad
http://tinyurl.com/zw7z58l

ISIS, Israel, Iraq, And Syria: It’s All Part Of The Plan
http://tinyurl.com/gnqnpsw

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James, I appreciate you getting this information out there, but could you do it on an appropriate thread?

 

[rylah]

What's more important is that connection between Jewish community in Israel and the Jewish diaspora was always intact. No book could be recognized without a wide acceptance by heads of all major communities. But works and ruling of rabbis in Jerusalem/Israel had preference to all other community leaders.

 

[rylah]

abi, and what's the problem with it being a "religious" text?
Are religious text non existent? Or is reference to religious texts a kind of magic?

Abi the Jerusalem Talmud is a huge volume of legal discussion of Jewish law - a clear sign of a functional society.

We simply don't religious texts for an academic discussion regarding history.

That said, you link also states:

The Jerusalem Talmud was compiled in the Land of Israel, then divided between the Byzantine provinces of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda, and was brought to an end sometime around 400.

Yes exactly the time You're talking about.
We're not discussing the ideas of the Jerusalem Talmud, but it's composition at a certain time and location.

I don't get Your point, virtually all works written by Jews until the last 300 years had some connection to Jewish culture and religion, it's not a case to dismiss their existence in time.

 

[abi]

What's more important is that connection between Jewish community in Israel and the Jewish diaspora was always intact. No book could be recognized without a wide acceptance by heads of all major communities. But works and ruling of rabbis in Jerusalem/Israel had preference to all other community leaders.

Actually, from your link again:

The Babylonian Talmud is often seen as more authoritative and is studied much more than the Jerusalem Talmud.

 

[jamesduncan]

I think Israel should exists because they are the best at this----------

I Googled “Israelis killing children”
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Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004

IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

If they are this good at killing; wouldn't it be better that we were on their side instead of against--?

I asked myself this while typing this post and finally came to my since, I say NO -

 

[abi]

I think Israel should exists because they are the best at this----------

I Googled “Israelis killing children”
About 537,000 results (0.39 seconds)
Search Results

These are the Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2016 | The ...
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/.../these-are-palestinian-children-killed-israel-2016

Jan 27, 2017 - Thirty-five Palestinian children were killed by Israeli soldiers, police and armed civilians during the year, all but four of the deadly incidents ...
Invisible killings: Israel's daily toll of Palestinian children | The ...

https://electronicintifada.net/content/invisible-killings-israels-daily-toll...children/4263

Convincing the Israeli adults in control of this weaponry in civilian areas that they should not be using it to kill children who are merely stone throwers should not ...

Israel 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months | News | Al Jazeera
www.aljazeera.com/.../israel-killed-25-palestinian-children-months-16051414083314...

May 14, 2016 - Twenty-five Palestinian children were killed in the last three months of 2015 during a wave of anti-Israeli attacks and the number detained was ...
One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years ...

One Palestinian child killed every 3 days by Israel for 13 years: statistics...
“The International Day for the Protection of Children is on June 1,” said a spokesman, “but Palestinian children are still subject to attacks by the Israelis and ...

Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000 – Middle ...
Report: Israel killed 3,000 Palestinian children since 2000...

Jun 1, 2017 - Israel has killed more than 3,000 children since 28 September 2000 when the Second Intifada began until the end of April 2017, a new report ...
Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict refers to the impact of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict .... Though Israeli children were killed in the conflict during the decades prior, the first acts of
12 yr old boy SHOT DEAD in front of your eyes
Updated 9.48 p.m., 3rd Oct 2000
http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/sniper.html

Gaza girl said killed
By Amos Harel and Nir Hasson, Haaretz Correspondents,
and Haaretz Service
Thu., October 28, 2004

IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html

Photos of a 12 year old palestinian boy being shot by Israeli soldiers and the ambulance driver who tried to save him also being shot and killed.
http://www.palestine-net.com/misc/durra/

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and dead while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

In March 2003
12-year old Hoda Darwish was hit in the head by a bullet fired Two 10 year-old school children were shot in the al-Omaria school run by UNRWA in Rafah, when an Israeli tank fired into their classroom.

Bullets fired from the tank flew through the classroom window, hitting Mahmoud Hamad in the neck and Hisham al Habil in the head. The boys had not even been sitting by the windows but in the middle of the room.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/index.html

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
http://tinyurl.com/99kh8zk

If they are this good at killing; wouldn't it be better that we were on their side instead of against--?

I asked myself this while typing this post and finally came to my since, I say NO

Sir, please, start a thread with this, it is horrific and should be known, but not here.

 

[rylah]

What's more important is that connection between Jewish community in Israel and the Jewish diaspora was always intact. No book could be recognized without a wide acceptance by heads of all major communities. But works and ruling of rabbis in Jerusalem/Israel had preference to all other community leaders.

Actually, from your link again:

The Babylonian Talmud is often seen as more authoritative and is studied much more than the Jerusalem Talmud.

Again, because the Jerusalem Talmud is much stronger and decisive - it's taught later, when the Babylonian arguments are well understood.
This is irrelevant.
You're sidestepping

Jews wrote this huge work - at the time You claim they didn't exist.

 

[abi]

You are not discussing this from a truthful position. Even Jewish hasbara sources admit that the continuous Jewish presence is a myth.

There has been a continuous presence of Jewish residents in Jerusalem from King David’s time (except for periods when Jews were barred from living in the city)...
Response To Common Inaccuracy: Jews have no Connection to Israel

Okay? Are we done?

 

[rylah]

You are not discussing this from a truthful position. Even Jewish hasbara sources admit that the continuous Jewish presence is a myth.

There has been a continuous presence of Jewish residents in Jerusalem from King David’s time (except for periods when Jews were barred from living in the city)...
Response To Common Inaccuracy: Jews have no Connection to Israel

Okay? Are we done?

No we are NOT done.
Jews had a 3000 years of continuous presence in the land.

The fact that Romans or Arabs banned them from their capital, and holiest places changes nothing.

 

[jamesduncan]

James, I appreciate you getting this information out there, but could you do it on an appropriate thread?

Thank you for your advice. The thread I am on now is titled---What is Israel's legal "right to exist?". Having read this back, I must agree. But then again, if they had not existed the deaths I reported would not have happened & those children would be with us today.

Still, I will comply and not post here again.
Where should I go?

I know hell would be your first choice but please stay on firm ground and give me an above ground place to visit.

ok -

 

[abi]

James, I appreciate you getting this information out there, but could you do it on an appropriate thread?

Thank you for your advice. The thread I am on now is titled---What is Israel's legal "right to exist?". Having read this back, I must agree. But then again, if they had not existed the deaths I reported would not have happened & those children would be with us today.

Still, I will comply and not post here again.
Where should I go?

I know hell would be your first choice but please stay on firm ground and give me an above ground place to visit.

ok -

No, not at all, start a thread with that stuff and call it some thing like "Look at all this needless and senseless death and suffering." You can then go on to point out how if the Europeans never immigrated that none of this would be possible.

No we are NOT done.
Jews had a 3000 years of continuous presence in the land.

The fact that Romans or Arabs banned them from their capital, and holiest places changes nothing.

It changes everything. If they moved or converted, then there was no continuous presence. That is obvious by definition.

 

[rylah]

James, I appreciate you getting this information out there, but could you do it on an appropriate thread?

Thank you for your advice. The thread I am on now is titled---What is Israel's legal "right to exist?". Having read this back, I must agree. But then again, if they had not existed the deaths I reported would not have happened & those children would be with us today.

Still, I will comply and not post here again.
Where should I go?

I know hell would be your first choice but please stay on firm ground and give me an above ground place to visit.

ok -

No, not at all, start a thread with that stuff and call it some thing like "Look at all this needless and senseless death and suffering." You can then go on to point out how if the Europeans never immigrated that none of this would be possible.

No we are NOT done.
Jews had a 3000 years of continuous presence in the land.

The fact that Romans or Arabs banned them from their capital, and holiest places changes nothing.

It changes everything. If they moved or converted, then there was no continuous presence. That is obvious by definition.

So expulsion and forced conversion justify denying Jews rights?

The "non existing" Jews:

In 611, Sassanid Persia invaded the Byzantine Empire. In 613, a Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Empire joined forces with these Persian invaders to capture Jerusalem in 614. The great majority of Christians in Jerusalem were subsequently deported to Persia.[68] The Jews gained autonomy in Jerusalem, until in 617 when the Persians betrayed agreements and withdrew their forces from the region. With return of the Byzantines in 628, the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius promised to restore Jewish rights and received Jewish help in ousting the Persians with the aid of Jewish leader Benjamin of Tiberias. Heraclius later reneged on the agreement after reconquering Palestine by issuing an edict banning Judaism from the Byzantine Empire and thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Egypt, following Byzantine and Ghassanid perpetrated massacres across the Galilee and Jerusalem. (Egyptian) Coptic Christians took responsibility for this broken pledge and still fast in penance.[69]
History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia

 

[abi]

So expulsion and forced conversion justify denying Jews rights?

No, not at all. We are not discussing this. You claimed a continuous Jewish presence and I showed that (from a known hasbara source) that that simply is not the case.

Let's be done on this one and move back to what gives Israel her right to exist.

 

[rylah]

So expulsion and forced conversion justify denying Jews rights?

No, not at all. We are not discussing this. You claimed a continuous Jewish presence and I showed that (from a known hasbara source) that that simply is not the case.

Let's be done on this one and move back to what gives Israel her right to exist.

All You showed was that Jews were cleansed from Jerusalem at different times.
The land of Israel is not only Jerusalem, and in order to ban someone, someone has to be there in the 1st place,which totally ruins Your interpretation.

I've shown that at the time You claimed Jews "disappeared", on the contrary they produced their most important works in their ancestral lands.

We're not done, deal with it. You contradicted Yourself.

 

[abi]

Well, I am done as your continuous Jewish presence has been debunked by your own source.

 

[rylah]

Well, I am done as your continuous Jewish presence has been debunked by your own source.

abi stop playing dumb, where is Tiberias, where's Safed?

All You have debunked is Your own BS about Jews disappearing from the land.