What Happens When Americans Find Out At End Of The Day They Are Still Going To Catch COVID-19?

[Truth1253]

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Do "rational" people understand that the measures we are taking are way too destructive to our economy for the purported risk?

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of rationale being applied. It seems to be specifically engineered to win the 2020 election, a la the housing crash of 2008.


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As I posted, "rational people". Biddable fools are not rational.

Yep you’re absolutely right


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[Rye Catcher]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

 

[colfax_m]

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

I said a DEPRESSION.........now do you wish to retract that statement...........a clue........I'm talking the world here .........not just us.

I think you’re being over dramatic with your all caps “depression” talk.

LOL

Don't TRY TO THINK MUCH.......the 2 cells you have left in your head may collide and cause you to fall down wehn walkiing.

No need to be nasty. Life is hard enough without people speaking to each other that way.

PC is overrated.

Being a decent human being isn’t.

 

[colfax_m]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Hundreds of thousands? Really? How many have died so far worldwide?

Nearly 500 people in Italy died yesterday.

But it’s not just Coronavirus. If the medical system is swamped with those cases, people needing medical care for other issues will have a harder time getting it.

See we are not in Italy so stop cherry picking one most excessive detail and try to stick that On the USA

We are trying to prevent us from becoming Italy. That’s the whole point.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.

 

[colfax_m]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

You do what you want but please don’t harm the rest of us by your actions.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.

No, the fools allowed the govts to shut down the country. Your'e about to see.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

You do what you want but please don’t harm the rest of us by your actions.

I'll do whatever I want. Im not afraid and cowering like you are. Whats happening right now will be the least of your worries.

 

[sparky]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Y'know easy, you and i might just get along after all

Me? I'd rather choke on covid-19 , than lose my freedoms that we're given to me by>>>>

~S~

 

[AntonToo]

No one is the true answer in times like these but the fallout of this will cost some their political careers and it is usually the President.

You will disagree with me but like Carter the reality is Trump is most likely done.

Possible Depression, SARS 2.0 and let face it Americans are just panic and if this carry on into November then yes Trump is gone.

Now I wrote if and maybe and not that it will be and my word is Gold...

This will all be done in 90 days at worst.

Virus, yes but the damage... no...

What damage will continue, specifically?

Many businesses like mom and pops shops will be damaged by this and yes they have insurance and there will be bailouts but long term unemployment will happen.

Also many people will take time before they start going out to restaurants, events and so on and the loss revenue from that will be felt for months after the virus has left.

America and the World is not going to just start right back up where it left off and even though I agree we should move our manufacturing back many countries rely on products from us and will not be buying for awhile, so again the damage will take time.

So if you believe the U.S. and World Economy will start back up and flow easily in 90 days then I have to disagree with you because it will not.

The damage from the World Shutdown will take longer than that...

I appreciate the discourse, but I totally disagree. This will be no worse than a bad flu season and the globe is overreacting.

Complete hysteria and ridiculous overreacting.

Flu has a treatment and is ~20 times less lethal. Hospitalization rate for flu is 0.06%, for corovonovirus it is 15-20%.

To say this virus is "like flu" is to not understand this fundamental difference.


Shutdowns buy us time so we don't overload healthcare system before the treatment arrives. If we fail, we are looking at a scenario of half a million people dying this year from COVID-19.

 

[colfax_m]

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

You do what you want but please don’t harm the rest of us by your actions.

I'll do whatever I want. Im not afraid and cowering like you are. Whats happening right now will be the least of your worries.

All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t harm others by your choice in actions.

 

[dudmuck]

Better question is what will they do when they find out it’s an exaggerated liberty taker. Going to be hard to get that fact info out as Media will totally quash anything counter to their agenda

Death rate has been higher than the flu, so perhaps not overblown.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

You do what you want but please don’t harm the rest of us by your actions.

I'll do whatever I want. Im not afraid and cowering like you are. Whats happening right now will be the least of your worries.

All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t harm others by your choice in actions.

I would never intentionally harm others if I were to get this virus.

 

[colfax_m]

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

You do what you want but please don’t harm the rest of us by your actions.

I'll do whatever I want. Im not afraid and cowering like you are. Whats happening right now will be the least of your worries.

All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t harm others by your choice in actions.

I would never intentionally harm others if I were to get this virus.

Intentionally is the sticking point. We are also trying to get people from unintentionally harming others. If one ignores the recommendations and winds up unintentionally spreading it to the population, is it still unintentional?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

This is the key, our system is not prepared for massive numbers country wide. Already they are short medical personnel in the places most hard hit. My daughter was contacted by a recruiter for a traveling nurse company offer huge money for a 13 week detail.

Most hospitals have trouble staffing enough nurses on a regular basis as they keep their payroll so low thanks to the damage from ObamaCare.

 

[Rye Catcher]

This will all be done in 90 days at worst.

Virus, yes but the damage... no...

What damage will continue, specifically?

Many businesses like mom and pops shops will be damaged by this and yes they have insurance and there will be bailouts but long term unemployment will happen.

Also many people will take time before they start going out to restaurants, events and so on and the loss revenue from that will be felt for months after the virus has left.

America and the World is not going to just start right back up where it left off and even though I agree we should move our manufacturing back many countries rely on products from us and will not be buying for awhile, so again the damage will take time.

So if you believe the U.S. and World Economy will start back up and flow easily in 90 days then I have to disagree with you because it will not.

The damage from the World Shutdown will take longer than that...

I appreciate the discourse, but I totally disagree. This will be no worse than a bad flu season and the globe is overreacting.

Complete hysteria and ridiculous overreacting.

Flu has a treatment and is ~20 times less lethal. Hospitalization rate for flu is 0.06%, for corovonovirus it is 15-20%.

To say this virus is "like flu" is to not understand this fundamental difference.


Shutdowns buy us time so we don't overload healthcare system before the treatment arrives. If we fail, we are looking at a scenario of half a million people dying this year from COVID-19.

Thank you for your common sense, it seems too many lack any sense whatsoever.

 

[ColonelAngus]

This will all be done in 90 days at worst.

Virus, yes but the damage... no...

What damage will continue, specifically?

Many businesses like mom and pops shops will be damaged by this and yes they have insurance and there will be bailouts but long term unemployment will happen.

Also many people will take time before they start going out to restaurants, events and so on and the loss revenue from that will be felt for months after the virus has left.

America and the World is not going to just start right back up where it left off and even though I agree we should move our manufacturing back many countries rely on products from us and will not be buying for awhile, so again the damage will take time.

So if you believe the U.S. and World Economy will start back up and flow easily in 90 days then I have to disagree with you because it will not.

The damage from the World Shutdown will take longer than that...

I appreciate the discourse, but I totally disagree. This will be no worse than a bad flu season and the globe is overreacting.

Complete hysteria and ridiculous overreacting.

Flu has a treatment and is ~20 times less lethal. Hospitalization rate for flu is 0.06%, for corovonovirus it is 15-20%.

To say this virus is "like flu" is to not understand this fundamental difference.


Shutdowns buy us time so we don't overload healthcare system before the treatment arrives. If we fail, we are looking at a scenario of half a million people dying this year from COVID-19.

Thank you doctor. We know the final rates of infection and death? Wow. That’s fucking amazing, what’s your source?

 

[colfax_m]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

This is the key, our system is not prepared for massive numbers country wide. Already they are short medical personnel in the places most hard hit. My daughter was contacted by a recruiter for a traveling nurse company offer huge money for a 13 week detail.

Most hospitals have trouble staffing enough nurses on a regular basis as they keep their payroll so low thanks to the damage from ObamaCare.

The offers for traveling nurses have been outrageous. I’ve seen them offering salaries competitive with some physicians.

I don’t think people realize that hospitals already operate mostly at capacity. Excess capacity reduces profit and can sink a hospital system. There’s not nearly as much wiggle room as we need.

 

[WEATHER53]

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

You go ahead, mingle in crowds and then visit your elderly relatives, I'm sure they will appreciate your attention.

Im not afraid of it. Neither is my family.

Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread.

No, the fools allowed the govts to shut down the country. Your'e about to see.

Correct but that info is currently being hidden and even if it slips out the Media won’t put it out
All this overreaction counts on us being good sheep and not questioning . You see that with so many , mostly liberal posters on here. The state governments have pitched in far too much on this, they seek to virtue signal that they care and that we don’t know better and don’t know how to take care of ourselves. Remember that all liberal government LOVES people who can’t take care of themselves