What Happens if they Shut Down the Government?

[KGB]

Yeah, cause GOP finally saw the light!

the GOP has always included the military in any continuing resolution.

Really? Are you sure about that?

I seem to remember serving in the U.S. Navy up in Newport RI when they decided to shut down the government in the late 90's, and not only did we NOT get paid for 24 days, but I also remember counseling members of my service about how Navy Relief would help, but also told them about how they could tell their bill collectors that they would get their money (because we'd be paid in full when the government decided that we could restart the government again), and we would honor our debts.

I remember telling my landlord about it, and they decided that because of the situation, I could pay my rent late and not have to pay a penalty.

Sorry................................but the Republicans have NEVER offered paying the military in a continuing resolution when they shut down the government until this time, and it's only because they are scared of the political fallout.

I'm wondering how the retirees (of which I am one now) are going to be treated this time. Do we count as part of the military, or are we going to be counted as those who are shut down?

Thank God that the shutdown is on the first, because that's when we get paid.

BTW................................do the politicians continue to get paid?

you misunderstood what I wrote. I remember the shutdown you are referring to. I just came in to the Air Force at that time. My point is, we have always gotten back pay as part of the CR if the government shutdown (it happened back in '95 as well). The civilians will not get back pay unless another act is passed by Congress. The GOP is willing to fund the entire government minus an unpopular bill that few really want. It is the Dems who are causing this situation by not negotiating.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe retiree checks will be delayed as well, but back pay will commence. And yes, the scumbag politicians will continue to be paid even though we will not. Those who do will still be on the wall. Those who cannot, will still be paid. It sucks, but there you have it.

Yes, this is a big shit sandwich no matter what way you look at it....

 

[KGB]

The checks stop coming...


The horror, the horror

Yes it is, especially for those of us who are true patriots & are willing to put the nation's cloth on so the rest of you can type drivel on a keyboard.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

You can't be pro-business AND pro-government shutdown.

If there is a government shutdown, it will send a signal to the world that America is no longer reliable when it comes to her word, enshrined in the Constitution, that no matter what her debt, she'll always make the payments on it.

We lose valuable tourism dollars when things like national parks and historic sites are closed.

Our companies lose value as the stock market drops to reflect the anxiety that investors have about even dealing with anything American.

Our Constitution explicitly states that our debt "shall not be questioned".

So if you're going to shut things down because you can't get 100% of what you want on matters of the debt, you're not a real patriot to America's ideals; you're just a false and hypocritical prophet.

Obamacare is the law. This President won both elections in electoral landslides. This issue is now closed. Obama won. Romney and Ryan's plan did not. House Republicans can take the unpatriotic act of shutting down our system of governing if they want, but they're losers for doing it. All because they're scared of Obamacare's growing popularity now that many states are seeing the benefits from the healthcare exchanges.

See the links above on this thread.

You are getting the government shut down confused with raising the debt limit.

They are 2 completely different issues.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

the GOP has always included the military in any continuing resolution.

Really? Are you sure about that?

I seem to remember serving in the U.S. Navy up in Newport RI when they decided to shut down the government in the late 90's, and not only did we NOT get paid for 24 days, but I also remember counseling members of my service about how Navy Relief would help, but also told them about how they could tell their bill collectors that they would get their money (because we'd be paid in full when the government decided that we could restart the government again), and we would honor our debts.

I remember telling my landlord about it, and they decided that because of the situation, I could pay my rent late and not have to pay a penalty.

Sorry................................but the Republicans have NEVER offered paying the military in a continuing resolution when they shut down the government until this time, and it's only because they are scared of the political fallout.

I'm wondering how the retirees (of which I am one now) are going to be treated this time. Do we count as part of the military, or are we going to be counted as those who are shut down?

Thank God that the shutdown is on the first, because that's when we get paid.

BTW................................do the politicians continue to get paid?

. The GOP is willing to fund the entire government minus an unpopular bill that few really want. It is the Dems who are causing this situation by not negotiating.

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It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

 

[KGB]

Really? Are you sure about that?

I seem to remember serving in the U.S. Navy up in Newport RI when they decided to shut down the government in the late 90's, and not only did we NOT get paid for 24 days, but I also remember counseling members of my service about how Navy Relief would help, but also told them about how they could tell their bill collectors that they would get their money (because we'd be paid in full when the government decided that we could restart the government again), and we would honor our debts.

I remember telling my landlord about it, and they decided that because of the situation, I could pay my rent late and not have to pay a penalty.

Sorry................................but the Republicans have NEVER offered paying the military in a continuing resolution when they shut down the government until this time, and it's only because they are scared of the political fallout.

I'm wondering how the retirees (of which I am one now) are going to be treated this time. Do we count as part of the military, or are we going to be counted as those who are shut down?

Thank God that the shutdown is on the first, because that's when we get paid.

BTW................................do the politicians continue to get paid?

. The GOP is willing to fund the entire government minus an unpopular bill that few really want. It is the Dems who are causing this situation by not negotiating.

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It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

 

[AquaAthena]

The checks stop coming...


The horror, the horror

Shutdown showdown: How it plays out this week

Here are 10 ways a government shutdown would affect you.

10. Vacation all I ever wanted: Need to get away? Well, you can't. At least not to national parks. Or to national zoos. Or to national museums. They'd all be closed. That's 368 National Park Service sites closed, millions of visitors turned away.

Were you thinking more along the lines of a trip to France? If you don't already have a passport, you might have to bid that adieu -- you might not get your blue book in time. The last time the government threw a hissy fit, 200,000 applications for passports went unprocessed. Tourism and airline revenues reeled.

But according to the State Department's current shutdown plan, offices will remain open because they generate enough in fees to support their operation. Any offices located in a federal building affected by the shutdown, however, may not be able to open.

9. Holiday. Celebrate: Don't come to work if you're a federal employee. You're on furlough. (Offer not valid for workers in "critical services," such as air traffic controllers, hazardous waste handlers and food inspectors.)

Do take some time to celebrate. In previous shutdowns, everyone who stayed home was paid retroactively after peace returned to Washington.

8. I won't back down: The good news (for you) is that the men and women in uniform would continue to keep you safe. The bad news (for them) is that they'd be paid in IOUs until the shutdown ended. In January, Sens. Mark Udall, D-Colorado, and Jerry Moran, R-Kansas, introduced legislation that would have protected pay for the troops during a shutdown, but it didn't get anywhere.

Rep. C.W. Young, chairman of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, told the Air Force Times, "All military personnel will continue to serve and accrue pay but will not actually be paid until appropriations are available."

Their mid-October paycheck would be the first affected. In addition, the congressman told the paper, changes of station would be delayed, medical offerings would be scaled back, facility and weapons maintenance would be suspended and most civilian employees would be furloughed until appropriations are available.

Scenarios of the shutdown

7. If you drive a car, I'll tax the street: You may be thinking, "No functioning government, no need to pay taxes." Think again. The Man would continue to collect taxes. U.S. bonds would still be issued. And other essential banking functions would go on.

6. Wait a minute, Mr. Postman: You know that whole "Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night" thing? Apparently, the U.S. Postal Service works through shutdowns as well. Sorry, you won't catch a break from the junk mail. But hey, you may already be a winner!

5. I want a new drug: Oh, the irony. The Republicans want to defund Obamacare in exchange for funding the government. But the health care act at the center of this storm would continue its implementation process during a shutdown. That's because its funds aren't dependent on the congressional budget process.

4. Pass the ammunition: Not so fast. A shutdown would affect the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Translation: That gun permit you wanted processed wouldn't happen anytime soon.

3. Money (that's what I want): Well, if you own a small business and needed a loan from the government, you'd have to wait. If you were planning to buy a house and needed a federal loan, you'd have to wait. If you're a veteran, you might have to make a few trips to the mailbox before that check arrived.

If you're on Social Security, however, don't worry -- probably. Social Security payments were sent during the last shutdown. President Obama's expected to keep workers on the payroll to process checks. But would there be enough employees to process new benefits for the newly retired?

2. Anything dirty or dingy or dusty: Oscar the Grouch is a company of one. No one loves trash. But if you live in Washington, expect it to pile up if there's a shutdown. There wouldn't be anyone to collect your garbage. Washington's budget has to be approved by Congress. No budget for the city = no trash collection. And, according to The Washington Post, D.C. produces about 500 tons of garbage each week.

1. I'm proud to be an American: Perhaps the biggest hit would be to the collective psyche. America is the largest economy in the world and a beacon for how democracy ought to work. To watch elected lawmakers engage in a high-stakes staring contest with no one willing to blink is no way to do business. A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that 51% will blame Republicans if the government closes its doors. The U.S. has operated without a budget since 2009 and has avoided a government shutdown with last-minute deals. It's been one stomach-turning sequel after another.

Not only does the government run out of money on October 1, the nation is set to hit the debt ceiling and go into default in mid-October. Together, they serve -- in the words of CNN senior White House correspondent Jim Acosta -- as a dysfunction double whammy.

10 ways a government shutdown would affect your daily life - CNN.com

 

[ABikerSailor]

. The GOP is willing to fund the entire government minus an unpopular bill that few really want. It is the Dems who are causing this situation by not negotiating.

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It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

 

[S.J.]

It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

You're so smart, BikerBitch.

 

[hortysir]

It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

I'll take US Gov't for 600

Where does the Executive Branch get the authority to change implementation of said law?

 

[ABikerSailor]

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

I'll take US Gov't for 600

Where does the Executive Branch get the authority to change implementation of said law?

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

 

[hortysir]

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

I'll take US Gov't for 600

Where does the Executive Branch get the authority to change implementation of said law?

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

Waivers, exemptions, delaying employer mandates

Can you cite the portion of the ACA that gave the Executive Branch that power?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What Happens if they Shut Down the Government?

Well, last time it shut down we lost our access to the White House, so this time I'm thinking Martha's Vineyard?

 

[Spoonman]

i say we let it shut down and see just how shut down it really is. i think we'll find this is nothing more then another liberal media attempt to try to discredit the republicans.

 

[Ame®icano]

`What happens if they shut down the government?' .....WOW! Geez...lemme think a minute. Well... first of all, you know those smug-looking bastards who sit in government bureaus behind desks pushing paperwork around several hours a day, and get paid those outrageous salaries? Well...that smug look will be replaced by some pretty serious worry lines when they go looking for work in the private sector!

And you know those smart-mouthed buttwipes who sit behind those barred or unbreakable plastic barriers in offices like the SS department...or the DMV's? You know the ones...with those dead-pan expressions who know everything except the answer to the question `you' pose to them? Well...they'll have to come out from behind those protective shields and actually deal with people face to face, without those armed guards standing around all over the place to keep them from getting a broken nose, by someone they're supposed to SERVE...instead of snottin' off at!

Oh and...the people in both Houses of Congress? They'll have to go back to their home state and learn to live on that lousy $175,000 per year they try to `scrape by on', and `make do' without all that `insider trading' info they get rich on. You know...the `insider trading info' THEY get to enrich themselves with legally, but put any of US in prison for using?

And then, of course, there's the public employee assholes who get all bent out of shape when you remind them that you are one of the many who pay them to do what they do, and they tell you ...`well...I pay taxes the same as you!' Only they don't really. Because every single penny they get in their paycheck is OUR money, and whatever `taxes' they pay out of it is nothing but a refund to the public coffers from whence it came! Let them live on `nothing' for awhile, and see how they get by!

`What happens if they shut down the government'? Geez...the possibilities are endless!

By the way......................don't forget that in addition to those smug public employee assholes who will get bent out of shape, there are also those other government employees who will continue to work without pay and continue to put their asses on the line.

They're called the U.S. Military.

If the government shuts down, the military will have to continue to do their jobs. I lived through it back in the 90's when it happened (was stationed in Newport RI the last time) and had to keep working even though they'd told the civilian workers they were furloughed, and also had to keep showing up at work even though we weren't getting paid for 3 weeks.

Does the GOP really support the troops? Not if they shut down the government.

It really sucks to have to keep working when you have no idea when you are going to be paid again.

Are you saying that democrats actually care for the troops?

 

[Mertex]

I'll take US Gov't for 600

Where does the Executive Branch get the authority to change implementation of said law?

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

Waivers, exemptions, delaying employer mandates

Can you cite the portion of the ACA that gave the Executive Branch that power?

If the President was doing something beyond his power, the GOP wouldn't be wasting time on frivolous bills (repealing Obamacare) and would certainly take him to task on it.
So, since they are not, you can rest assured that Obama isn't doing anything that isn't within his power. Who gave him that power? The Constitution.

 

[Mertex]

What Happens if they Shut Down the Government?

Well, last time it shut down we lost our access to the White House, so this time I'm thinking Martha's Vineyard?

Maybe you'll lose the House in 2014, wouldn't that be quaint, and appropriate?

 

[KGB]

It's not a bill. It is a law, you stupid shithead.

good to see that you can obsess over pedantics vs just moving the conversation along....well done....bravo....

maybe next time I can achieve your lofty standards so that you don't get bogged down in the muck.....

Actually, there IS a difference between a bill and a law.

A bill is a law that is suggested, but until that bill is passed by the Congress, and signed by the President, it has no real significance.

Once it is signed by the President, it then becomes a law, and is part of how this country does things.

I am quite familiar with how government functions & the difference between a bill & a law. So I made a written miscue, big deal. It doesn't take away from the original point & I don't get mixed up with useless pedantics when there is a bigger issue at hand.

 

[KGB]

I'll take US Gov't for 600

Where does the Executive Branch get the authority to change implementation of said law?

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

Waivers, exemptions, delaying employer mandates

Can you cite the portion of the ACA that gave the Executive Branch that power?

The better question is can you cite the portion of the US Constitution that gives the Executive Branch that power? Congress writes the laws, the President enforces them. He doesn't have the power to unilaterally exempt portions he doesn't like. And for a law that is his signature piece....

 

[KGB]

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

Waivers, exemptions, delaying employer mandates

Can you cite the portion of the ACA that gave the Executive Branch that power?

If the President was doing something beyond his power, the GOP wouldn't be wasting time on frivolous bills (repealing Obamacare) and would certainly take him to task on it.
So, since they are not, you can rest assured that Obama isn't doing anything that isn't within his power. Who gave him that power? The Constitution.

Article 2 tends to disagree with you. The President does not have the authority to unilaterally change laws once they are passed. He has to go back to Congress.

 

[S.J.]

How is the President trying to change the implementation of the law? It's the GOP idiots in the House that are asking for it to be delayed or defunded.

The law is already passed, it is already going into effect, and pretty much on the timetable that was laid out by the WH.

Changing the implementation of the law is what the GOP is trying to do by threatening to shut down the government.

And........................I hope that all the karma Ted Cruz has been spewing out as of late is returned to him in spades.

Waivers, exemptions, delaying employer mandates

Can you cite the portion of the ACA that gave the Executive Branch that power?

The better question is can you cite the portion of the US Constitution that gives the Executive Branch that power? Congress writes the laws, the President enforces them. He doesn't have the power to unilaterally exempt portions he doesn't like. And for a law that is his signature piece....

He thinks he can pick and choose what to enforce and what not to enforce. To his credit, he knows he can get away with it because nobody wants to be labeled a racist for opposing him.