What do I tell my daughter-in-law who immigrated LEGALLY?

[Oldglory1]

Immigration laws have always been retarded. The most basic question that should be asked before writing law is how many immigrants should be allowed into the country each each year. Instead of Congress deciding this, immigrants decide it.

Once a foreign student completes their schooling and practical training these highly educated, highly skilled, highly motivated, tax-paying, law-abiding foreigners are expelled. Yet, unskilled labors are allowed to live and work in the US as long as they choose.

Are you serious? We should let foreigners decide how many of them can come here? We'd have two billion impoverished across the world coming here then. That would be committing national suicide. Whether or not one is skilled or unskilled allowing them to come here should be based on our ability to provide them with jobs and resources without short changing our own citizens while keeping population growth in mind.

thats not what he said......

Thanks but to clarify, Congress should should set limits on immigration. However, those limits should be somewhat flexible. the reunification of families, admitting immigrants with skills that are valuable to the U.S. economy, protecting refugees, and promoting diversity should be considered.

The heart of the illegal immigration crisis is our need for low wage unskilled and semiskilled labor. There are plenty of foreign workers who want and need those jobs but there's no practically legal channels for that labor to enter the country. A Mexican without family in the U.S. who wants to do something other than farm work has virtually no legal way to enter the country. And even a man with family here must wait from 6 to 22 years for a visa, depending on what kind of relatives he has and what their legal status is. Our choice is not whether these workers will entry the US but how they will enter. Businesses need these workers and they're going to come legally or illegally.

Having undocumented immigrants in the country is a huge problem for law enforcement., public schools, and social services. They live in the shadows, they often escape paying taxes, live in unsanitary conditions, and get much of their healthcare from emergency rooms, the most expense form of medical care. They can't be absorbed into society so they form their own communities. They don't report crimes and often become part of criminal enterprises.

Not our problem if foreigners need jobs. They certainly don't have the right to come to this country and work without authorization while competing with Americans by working for less. There are good reasons that we shouldn't be importing the unskilled, poor and uneducated into our country. They are a fiscal burden to us. Businesses don't "need" them except to increase their profits which is just based on greed not need.

I don't know what an "undocumented " is. They are illegal aliens according to immigration law.

The fact is we do need foreign workers in the US. Notice who cleans your hotel room in any major city, harvests your produce, buses tables in restaurants, or cuts the grass. Millions of undocumented immigrants are doing the crappy jobs few legal residents will do. Look at the top research and development centers in the country. Their staff includes many foreign nationals filling jobs that Americans can't do. Under current immigration law, we educate them give them a few years experience and send them back home to compete with us.

The Democrat approach to immigration is to bring our laws into the 21st century, to reflect immigration as it really is, not what we wish it were. It is far too late to construct mid 20th century immigration laws and policy. Our current laws are so ambiguous and unenforceable, that we have reams of regulations, executive orders, and actions that change constantly.

No problem if they are here legally. It is just nonsense that Americans won't do the jobs that illegal aliens are doing. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor? Our annual quotas already reflect our needs for immigrants without depleting job opportunities and resources for our own citizens. Nothing outdated about them at all. Our laws are enforceable it is just that corruption and greed won't allow them to be.

 

[Flopper]

Last people to complain should be young females. They have the easiest and quickest way of gaining a green card and citizenship. Easier than anyone else. All they have to do is find an American guy and play wife for a few years. They can come here on a student, temporary work or even tourist visa. As long as they marry before the visa expires they are on the easy path to that green card and citizenship. Little more difficult if they have to find the American husband from their home country, but even that is pretty easy.

It would seem the same thing applies to young males.

 

[Flopper]

Are you serious? We should let foreigners decide how many of them can come here? We'd have two billion impoverished across the world coming here then. That would be committing national suicide. Whether or not one is skilled or unskilled allowing them to come here should be based on our ability to provide them with jobs and resources without short changing our own citizens while keeping population growth in mind.

thats not what he said......

Thanks but to clarify, Congress should should set limits on immigration. However, those limits should be somewhat flexible. the reunification of families, admitting immigrants with skills that are valuable to the U.S. economy, protecting refugees, and promoting diversity should be considered.

The heart of the illegal immigration crisis is our need for low wage unskilled and semiskilled labor. There are plenty of foreign workers who want and need those jobs but there's no practically legal channels for that labor to enter the country. A Mexican without family in the U.S. who wants to do something other than farm work has virtually no legal way to enter the country. And even a man with family here must wait from 6 to 22 years for a visa, depending on what kind of relatives he has and what their legal status is. Our choice is not whether these workers will entry the US but how they will enter. Businesses need these workers and they're going to come legally or illegally.

Having undocumented immigrants in the country is a huge problem for law enforcement., public schools, and social services. They live in the shadows, they often escape paying taxes, live in unsanitary conditions, and get much of their healthcare from emergency rooms, the most expense form of medical care. They can't be absorbed into society so they form their own communities. They don't report crimes and often become part of criminal enterprises.

Not our problem if foreigners need jobs. They certainly don't have the right to come to this country and work without authorization while competing with Americans by working for less. There are good reasons that we shouldn't be importing the unskilled, poor and uneducated into our country. They are a fiscal burden to us. Businesses don't "need" them except to increase their profits which is just based on greed not need.

I don't know what an "undocumented " is. They are illegal aliens according to immigration law.

The fact is we do need foreign workers in the US. Notice who cleans your hotel room in any major city, harvests your produce, buses tables in restaurants, or cuts the grass. Millions of undocumented immigrants are doing the crappy jobs few legal residents will do. Look at the top research and development centers in the country. Their staff includes many foreign nationals filling jobs that Americans can't do. Under current immigration law, we educate them give them a few years experience and send them back home to compete with us.

The Democrat approach to immigration is to bring our laws into the 21st century, to reflect immigration as it really is, not what we wish it were. It is far too late to construct mid 20th century immigration laws and policy. Our current laws are so ambiguous and unenforceable, that we have reams of regulations, executive orders, and actions that change constantly.

No problem if they are here legally. It is just nonsense that Americans won't do the jobs that illegal aliens are doing. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor? Our annual quotas already reflect our needs for immigrants without depleting job opportunities and resources for our own citizens. Nothing outdated about them at all. Our laws are enforceable it is just that corruption and greed won't allow them to be.

Our need for legal Mexican labor is greater than it has ever been, yet quotas remain the same as they were 50 years ago.

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for more open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

 

[hunarcy]

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

Our immigration laws ARE enforceable. The problem is that neither side WANTS to enforce them. Republicans don't want to miss out on cheap labor and Democrats don't want to miss out on the new voters.

 

[Oldglory1]

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

Our immigration laws ARE enforceable. The problem is that neither side WANTS to enforce them. Republicans don't want to miss out on cheap labor and Democrats don't want to miss out on the new voters.

Actually, the Democrats like the cheap labor also. I don't know where people get the notion that corporations/businesses are all run by Republicans or that the Democrats in congress aren't just as much in the back pockets of the corporations as the Republicans are. And yes, the Democrats are willing to thumb their noses at our immigration laws to gain the vote of ethnocentric Hispanics. Since when are they special in this country?

 

[Oldglory1]

thats not what he said......

Thanks but to clarify, Congress should should set limits on immigration. However, those limits should be somewhat flexible. the reunification of families, admitting immigrants with skills that are valuable to the U.S. economy, protecting refugees, and promoting diversity should be considered.

The heart of the illegal immigration crisis is our need for low wage unskilled and semiskilled labor. There are plenty of foreign workers who want and need those jobs but there's no practically legal channels for that labor to enter the country. A Mexican without family in the U.S. who wants to do something other than farm work has virtually no legal way to enter the country. And even a man with family here must wait from 6 to 22 years for a visa, depending on what kind of relatives he has and what their legal status is. Our choice is not whether these workers will entry the US but how they will enter. Businesses need these workers and they're going to come legally or illegally.

Having undocumented immigrants in the country is a huge problem for law enforcement., public schools, and social services. They live in the shadows, they often escape paying taxes, live in unsanitary conditions, and get much of their healthcare from emergency rooms, the most expense form of medical care. They can't be absorbed into society so they form their own communities. They don't report crimes and often become part of criminal enterprises.

Not our problem if foreigners need jobs. They certainly don't have the right to come to this country and work without authorization while competing with Americans by working for less. There are good reasons that we shouldn't be importing the unskilled, poor and uneducated into our country. They are a fiscal burden to us. Businesses don't "need" them except to increase their profits which is just based on greed not need.

I don't know what an "undocumented " is. They are illegal aliens according to immigration law.

The fact is we do need foreign workers in the US. Notice who cleans your hotel room in any major city, harvests your produce, buses tables in restaurants, or cuts the grass. Millions of undocumented immigrants are doing the crappy jobs few legal residents will do. Look at the top research and development centers in the country. Their staff includes many foreign nationals filling jobs that Americans can't do. Under current immigration law, we educate them give them a few years experience and send them back home to compete with us.

The Democrat approach to immigration is to bring our laws into the 21st century, to reflect immigration as it really is, not what we wish it were. It is far too late to construct mid 20th century immigration laws and policy. Our current laws are so ambiguous and unenforceable, that we have reams of regulations, executive orders, and actions that change constantly.

No problem if they are here legally. It is just nonsense that Americans won't do the jobs that illegal aliens are doing. Who do you think did them before the arrival of cheap, illegal labor? Our annual quotas already reflect our needs for immigrants without depleting job opportunities and resources for our own citizens. Nothing outdated about them at all. Our laws are enforceable it is just that corruption and greed won't allow them to be.

Our need for legal Mexican labor is greater than it has ever been, yet quotas remain the same as they were 50 years ago.

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for more open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

We have a need for Mexican labor? How so, since we have 23 million Americans out of work right now and many of them are blue-collared workers. We have no need for uneducated, unskilled and poor foreigners no matter where they hail from. They are a burden to our society. Interesting that you should just mention Mexicans as if there aren't millions of others across the world that would love to come and work here. Agenda much? I thought our country was about diversity. How is that diversity favoring one national/ethnic group?

 

[hunarcy]

We have a need for Mexican labor? How so, since we have 23 million Americans out of work right now and many of them are blue-collared workers. We have no need for uneducated, unskilled and poor foreigners no matter where they hail from. They are a burden to our society. Interesting that you should just mention Mexicans as if there aren't millions of others across the world that would love to come and work here. Agenda much? I thought our country was about diversity. How is that diversity favoring one national/ethnic group?

The problem with out of work Americans is that they require payment at the minimum wage level. The "undocumented" worker works at less than minimum wage. (Reminds the Democrats of their time as slave owners.

 

[Flopper]

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

Our immigration laws ARE enforceable. The problem is that neither side WANTS to enforce them. Republicans don't want to miss out on cheap labor and Democrats don't want to miss out on the new voters.

Neither sides wants to enforce the laws that are on the books which is the major reason why these laws are not going to be enforced. We have had illegal immigration in this country since the immigration laws were first written. There have been periods are rigid enforcement. However, for the last 50 years we have simply ignored illegal immigration across the southern boarder. It is simply not possible to turn the clock back.

Have you ever looked at the our hodge podge of immigration laws. They are very general, giving the administration the authority to do just about anything for, humanitarian, economic, or national security reasons. What has emerged is volumes of regulations, often unfair, unenforceable, and confusing. We have over 15,000 immigration lawyers and that doesn't come close to meeting the demand. We need to completely rewrite our immigration laws to deal with the real immigration issues, 11 million people living in this country illegally, businesses that provide the jobs for illegal immigrants, realistic immigration quotas, and tracking of vistas so people have to leave the country when their visas expire. Probably the most important issue is documenting who is actually living in this country.

 

[Camp]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

 

[Oldglory1]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

If workers were truly needed in those areas why isn't there a push to bring foreigners here legally for those towns then? Why would an American have to live in a shack? Decent homes can't be built?

 

[Oldglory1]

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

Our immigration laws ARE enforceable. The problem is that neither side WANTS to enforce them. Republicans don't want to miss out on cheap labor and Democrats don't want to miss out on the new voters.

Neither sides wants to enforce the laws that are on the books which is the major reason why these laws are not going to be enforced. We have had illegal immigration in this country since the immigration laws were first written. There have been periods are rigid enforcement. However, for the last 50 years we have simply ignored illegal immigration across the southern boarder. It is simply not possible to turn the clock back.

Have you ever looked at the our hodge podge of immigration laws. They are very general, giving the administration the authority to do just about anything for, humanitarian, economic, or national security reasons. What has emerged is volumes of regulations, often unfair, unenforceable, and confusing. We have over 15,000 immigration lawyers and that doesn't come close to meeting the demand. We need to completely rewrite our immigration laws to deal with the real immigration issues, 11 million people living in this country illegally, businesses that provide the jobs for illegal immigrants, realistic immigration quotas, and tracking of vistas so people have to leave the country when their visas expire. Probably the most important issue is documenting who is actually living in this country.

Our immigration quotas are realistic! It is just that employers want cheap labor and there are more unskilled, uneducated and poor "immigrants" that want to come here than we can accommodate in jobs and resources without it negatively impacting our own citizens. For God's sake wake up!

 

[Camp]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

If workers were truly needed in those areas why isn't there a push to bring foreigners here legally for those towns then? Why would an American have to live in a shack? Decent homes can't be built?

If Americans were used in those areas I suspect that the employers would have to pay legal and fair wages, safe working conditions and provide housing or at least a pay that would enable the workers to live in housing that would pass safe housing regulations. I did this trip in '94, so I don't know what kind of changes might have occurred since that time. Lots could have changed in 20 years. For some reason I kind of doubt it, but maybe someone with more recent experience can provide an update.

 

[Flopper]

If our immigration laws were enforceable we wouldn't be in the mess we are today. There're 54 million Hispanic and Latinos in the US and that doesn't include illegals. These people come primarily from Mexico, often have close ties with family and friends in Mexico, and routinely travel between the two countries. We have 2,000 miles of southern boarder most of it sparsely populated and 4,000 miles of coastline easily accessible to Mexico. Political pressures for open boarders, businesses seeking cheap Mexican labor, and the desire for family and friends to be together guarantees that the immigration is not going to stop. Our choice is whether that immigration is legal or illegal.

Our immigration laws ARE enforceable. The problem is that neither side WANTS to enforce them. Republicans don't want to miss out on cheap labor and Democrats don't want to miss out on the new voters.

Neither sides wants to enforce the laws that are on the books which is the major reason why these laws are not going to be enforced. We have had illegal immigration in this country since the immigration laws were first written. There have been periods are rigid enforcement. However, for the last 50 years we have simply ignored illegal immigration across the southern boarder. It is simply not possible to turn the clock back.

Have you ever looked at the our hodge podge of immigration laws. They are very general, giving the administration the authority to do just about anything for, humanitarian, economic, or national security reasons. What has emerged is volumes of regulations, often unfair, unenforceable, and confusing. We have over 15,000 immigration lawyers and that doesn't come close to meeting the demand. We need to completely rewrite our immigration laws to deal with the real immigration issues, 11 million people living in this country illegally, businesses that provide the jobs for illegal immigrants, realistic immigration quotas, and tracking of vistas so people have to leave the country when their visas expire. Probably the most important issue is documenting who is actually living in this country.

Our immigration quotas are realistic! It is just that employers want cheap labor and there are more unskilled, uneducated and poor "immigrants" that want to come here than we can accommodate in jobs and resources without it negatively impacting our own citizens. For God's sake wake up!

For a Mexican with no family in the US, legal residency can take 6 to 20 years depending on the job skills. That is not realistic considering that there are hundreds of miles of border that can be crossed easily and there is virtually no penalty imposed by either the US or Mexican government for doing so.

For a Mexican to visit family members that are US citizens, that person must obtain a tourist visa/boarder crossing card which cost $160 a person. To obtain the visa, they must first have a Mexican passport at a cost $101 US plus the cost of photos, and finger prints all which takes about one to two months. After obtaining a passport, the person must complete a Visa application and pay an application fee. After application, the visitor must schedule an interview which takes about 3 weeks to 3 months depending on the consulate. After a successful interview and review of the application and paying the remainder of the fees, the visa is issue in about 3 or 4 weeks. So after paying several hundred dollars in fees waiting months, the visitor can legally visit family in the US or they can just walk across the boarder which is what hundreds of thousands of Mexicans do.

Most of our immigration laws and regulation were designed for southern boarder crossing of 300,000 to 400,000 a year. Currently there're about 350 million crossings a year.

 

[Flopper]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

You do what some farmers have had to do, pay $18/hr. However, even when farmers pay higher wages, they still can't get enough labor for many jobs. The only way you would fill the fields with Americans picking and loading crops at 100+ temperatures is if starvation was the alternative.

 

[jasonnfree]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

I remember reading Steinbeck's books about the depression era. The people that came to California from other states lived in adverse conditions and would do almost anything for a buck, just like today's illegals. I think it was in Steinbeck's Cannery row, where one white family lived in an old boiler out in a field. White American's are really only a few generations removed from those times. Some jurisdictions even set up road blocks to stop the "illegals" coming in from mid western states that had dust bowl conditions back home.

 

[Flopper]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

I remember reading Steinbeck's books about the depression era. The people that came to California from other states lived in adverse conditions and would do almost anything for a buck, just like today's illegals. I think it was in Steinbeck's Cannery row, where one white family lived in an old boiler out in a field. White American's are really only a few generations removed from those times. Some jurisdictions even set up road blocks to stop the "illegals" coming in from mid western states that had dust bowl conditions back home.

Thankfully, no American citizen needs to live like that. Yes, I know if we just did away with minimum wage, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and those other social programs, no American would turn down any job. America would be fully employed, but I what cost.

No one that comes to this country illegally should expect to enjoy all the privileges of a citizens. However, they should be able to earn those privileges.

 

[Mr. President]

Tell her now she knows how we feel.

 

[Oldglory1]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

I remember reading Steinbeck's books about the depression era. The people that came to California from other states lived in adverse conditions and would do almost anything for a buck, just like today's illegals. I think it was in Steinbeck's Cannery row, where one white family lived in an old boiler out in a field. White American's are really only a few generations removed from those times. Some jurisdictions even set up road blocks to stop the "illegals" coming in from mid western states that had dust bowl conditions back home.

Thankfully, no American citizen needs to live like that. Yes, I know if we just did away with minimum wage, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, and those other social programs, no American would turn down any job. America would be fully employed, but I what cost.

No one that comes to this country illegally should expect to enjoy all the privileges of a citizens. However, they should be able to earn those privileges.

They can earn them by following the legal process which starts in their own countries not on our soil after entering illegally.

 

[Oldglory1]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

I remember reading Steinbeck's books about the depression era. The people that came to California from other states lived in adverse conditions and would do almost anything for a buck, just like today's illegals. I think it was in Steinbeck's Cannery row, where one white family lived in an old boiler out in a field. White American's are really only a few generations removed from those times. Some jurisdictions even set up road blocks to stop the "illegals" coming in from mid western states that had dust bowl conditions back home.

You are comparing apples to oranges here. There was nothing illegal about citizens moving from one state to another. We are talking foreigners here illegally. Learn to know the difference regardless of their motivations.

 

[Oldglory1]

I once went on a journey up and down the California central valley in search of the best Mexican bar food in California. We stopped at every little dingy town we ran into. I have no idea as to how you would get American workers to move to those areas and live in those shacks the Mexicans live in.

You do what some farmers have had to do, pay $18/hr. However, even when farmers pay higher wages, they still can't get enough labor for many jobs. The only way you would fill the fields with Americans picking and loading crops at 100+ temperatures is if starvation was the alternative.

There are unlimited H-2 visas for legal, foreign ag workers but some of the greedy growers refuse to use them because they can increase their profits by using illegal aliens instead. There is no reason based on that that they don't have enough workers even though most Americans won't pick crops for a living. If these illegals were truly starving you don't think they'd jump at the chance to pick crops legally with these visas? I am simply amazed at how uninformed you and many others in here are and using your lack of knowledge to justify illegal immigration into our country. These greedy growers pass the social costs of the illegal aliens they use unto we the taxpayer .If they used the visas instead there would be no shortage of workers and the growers themselves would be responsible for their social costs.