What are Republican's plans to help uninsured Americans?

[Conservative]

I can't wait until we privatize the fire department, because not everyone has the right to live and not have their shit burned to the ground.

Healthcare is the most ridiculous debate I have ever seen. Oh, what's that? You barely earn enough to pay for rent? PERFORM SURGERY ON YOURSELF FOOL, YOU HAVE A BUTTERKNIFE AND SOME VODKA GO FOR IT.

Please show the federal fire department... I'll be waiting, troll

And please educate yourself on amendment 10

And your position in life, because of choices, abilities, effort, or whatever else, does not make your personal responsibilities the responsibilities of someone else, government, nor society


Keep trying though, troll... it's fun slapping down yet another in the long line of ignorant sloganeers and socialist leaning do-nothings

I'm sorry.

Who determines this again?

Oh, you, that's right. What was I thinking?

way to completely NOT address his post, nimrod.

 

[fissionfusion]

There is no federal fire department.

And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Read the 10th amendment? lol dude how about you read the very first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and tell me what you think.

 

[DiamondDave]

I can't wait until we privatize the fire department, because not everyone has the right to live and not have their shit burned to the ground.

Healthcare is the most ridiculous debate I have ever seen. Oh, what's that? You barely earn enough to pay for rent? PERFORM SURGERY ON YOURSELF FOOL, YOU HAVE A BUTTERKNIFE AND SOME VODKA GO FOR IT.

Please show the federal fire department... I'll be waiting, troll

And please educate yourself on amendment 10

And your position in life, because of choices, abilities, effort, or whatever else, does not make your personal responsibilities the responsibilities of someone else, government, nor society


Keep trying though, troll... it's fun slapping down yet another in the long line of ignorant sloganeers and socialist leaning do-nothings

I'm sorry.

Who determines this again?

Oh, you, that's right. What was I thinking?

The constitution... and the SPECIFIC powers granted to the federal government within it.... and as stated.. please educate yourself on a little something called the 10th amendment

And before you try the next thing in the winger playbook... No, our government is not set up for 'what the majority wants' (not that the majority wants 1/2 the citizenry to pay for everything for the other half)...

You're slipping further and further... quit while you are behind, troll

 

[DiamondDave]

There is no federal fire department.

And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Read the 10th amendment? lol dude how about you read the very first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and tell me what you think.

Ahh... the preamble.... to PROMOTE the general welfare.... and what is next ? "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare" while leaving out the rest of the sentence which makes it about the union and not individuals?? You are taking every play straight out of the winger playbook....

Quit while you are behind

 

[M14 Shooter]

I can't wait until we privatize the fire department, because not everyone has the right to live and not have their shit burned to the ground.

Healthcare is the most ridiculous debate I have ever seen. Oh, what's that? You barely earn enough to pay for rent? PERFORM SURGERY ON YOURSELF FOOL, YOU HAVE A BUTTERKNIFE AND SOME VODKA GO FOR IT.

Please show the federal fire department... I'll be waiting, troll

And please educate yourself on amendment 10

And your position in life, because of choices, abilities, effort, or whatever else, does not make your personal responsibilities the responsibilities of someone else, government, nor society


Keep trying though, troll... it's fun slapping down yet another in the long line of ignorant sloganeers and socialist leaning do-nothings

I'm sorry.

Who determines this again?

Oh, you, that's right. What was I thinking?

Clearly, nothing substantive.

 

[Greenbeard]

The constitution... and the SPECIFIC powers granted to the federal government within it.... and as stated.. please educate yourself on a little something called the 10th amendment

Out of curiosity, what's the 10th amendment argument for federalizing tort law? For that matter, what's the 10th amendment argument for using federal power to strip states of the ability to regulate insurance policies sold within their borders?

 

[M14 Shooter]

There is no federal fire department.
And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Medicare?

Read the 10th amendment? lol dude how about you read the very first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and tell me what you think.

I think you don't know the difference between provide and promote.

 

[midcan5]

Why this debate, America is a Christian and religious nation, and we do unto others as they would do unto us, so I'd like help if there ever comes a day when I need it, so as an American I'll pay more to help other Americans affected by outsourcing and the loss of productive work. That seems like the American way of doing things, so why the debate? If the Europeans can do it we surely can, aren't we the 'can do' nation?

I revised this but this will do. http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...241-answers-to-all-your-questions-on-uhc.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...lthcare/181931-conservatives-and-empathy.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...thcare/194630-u-s-ranks-last-in-study-of.html

 

[Greenbeard]

There is no federal fire department.
And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Medicare?

Medicare is health insurance. Health care is still bought from the private sector.

 

[DiamondDave]

The constitution... and the SPECIFIC powers granted to the federal government within it.... and as stated.. please educate yourself on a little something called the 10th amendment

Out of curiosity, what's the 10th amendment argument for federalizing tort law? For that matter, what's the 10th amendment argument for using federal power to strip states of the ability to regulate insurance policies sold within their borders?

Funny... things I did not argue for... but nice try

What I did argue for was the reduction of federal regulations... allowing such things as listed in a previous post of mine for the umpteenth time...

 

[fissionfusion]

There is no federal fire department.

And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Read the 10th amendment? lol dude how about you read the very first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and tell me what you think.

Ahh... the preamble.... to PROMOTE the general welfare.... and what is next ? "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare" while leaving out the rest of the sentence which makes it about the union and not individuals?? You are taking every play straight out of the winger playbook....

Quit while you are behind

I'm all for trolling you dude...

But you are starting to ramble unintelligibly. Since when is cheap insurance anything more than promotion of welfare?

 

[fissionfusion]

There is no federal fire department.
And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Medicare?

Serially?

 

[Greenbeard]

The constitution... and the SPECIFIC powers granted to the federal government within it.... and as stated.. please educate yourself on a little something called the 10th amendment

Out of curiosity, what's the 10th amendment argument for federalizing tort law? For that matter, what's the 10th amendment argument for using federal power to strip states of the ability to regulate insurance policies sold within their borders?

Funny... things I did not argue for... but nice try

Are you acknowledging there is no 10th amendment argument for 1) federal deregulation of state markets via interstate purchasing, and 2) federal tort reforms? Would those be federal encroachments on the states?

What I did argue for was the reduction of federal regulations... allowing such things as listed in a previous post of mine for the umpteenth time...

I must've missed it. Which federal regulations are bothering you so?

 

[DiamondDave]

There is no federal fire department.

And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Read the 10th amendment? lol dude how about you read the very first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and tell me what you think.

Ahh... the preamble.... to PROMOTE the general welfare.... and what is next ? "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare" while leaving out the rest of the sentence which makes it about the union and not individuals?? You are taking every play straight out of the winger playbook....

Quit while you are behind

I'm all for trolling you dude...

But you are starting to ramble unintelligibly. Since when is cheap insurance anything more than promotion of welfare?

The power for government to provide, require, or subsidize 'cheap insurance' does not exist within the constitution.... the specific powers are distinctly laid out of what the government is charged to do... with the 10th amendment stating that all powers not granted to the federal government are then reserved for the states and/or the individual citizens...

Promotion of the general welfare is the creation of the free society that the government is set up to protect.... the constitution was never set up as a safety net for every citizen, rather it was set up to ensure the freedom of every citizen to take care of themselves, while not having to worry about invasion or takeover of another country or oppressive regime

And perhaps a little reading comprehension would help when looking at what the preamble states as a whole, and what the meaning behind it is... it is more like a dedication line of a book, showing who wrote it and for whom, and why... if you would like, I could possibly break it down to you, like a 3rd grade teach would to their students... for it seems like you need it broken down to about that level of understanding

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why this debate, America is a Christian and religious nation, and we do unto others as they would do unto us, so I'd like help if there ever comes a day when I need it, so as an American I'll pay more to help other Americans affected by outsourcing and the loss of productive work.

Feel free to dontate to whatever Christian charity that you see fit.
If this is your argument for the government forcing others to pay for (whatever), you'll violate the Establishment clause.

 

[fissionfusion]

Ahh... the preamble.... to PROMOTE the general welfare.... and what is next ? "provide for the common Defence and general Welfare" while leaving out the rest of the sentence which makes it about the union and not individuals?? You are taking every play straight out of the winger playbook....

Quit while you are behind

I'm all for trolling you dude...

But you are starting to ramble unintelligibly. Since when is cheap insurance anything more than promotion of welfare?

The power for government to provide, require, or subsidize 'cheap insurance' does not exist within the constitution.... the specific powers are distinctly laid out of what the government is charged to do... with the 10th amendment stating that all powers not granted to the federal government are then reserved for the states and/or the individual citizens...

Promotion of the general welfare is the creation of the free society that the government is set up to protect.... the constitution was never set up as a safety net for every citizen, rather it was set up to ensure the freedom of every citizen to take care of themselves, while not having to worry about invasion or takeover of another country or oppressive regime

And perhaps a little reading comprehension would help when looking at what the preamble states as a whole, and what the meaning behind it is... it is more like a dedication line of a book, showing who wrote it and for whom, and why... if you would like, I could possibly break it down to you, like a 3rd grade teach would to their students... for it seems like you need it broken down to about that level of understanding

Ah, I see the rift. You just read the preamble incorrectly. Very well.

The preamble says We the People, not We the Gubbermint. So I ask you again, what is your take on the first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and what you, as an independent being in the United States, are charged with doing as dutifully written in the United States Constitution?

And no, a preamble is not a dedication line. I mean if that's what you want to believe that's fine, but words mean things. Suprisingly enough preamble =/= dedication line.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There is no federal fire department.
And outside of military doctors, there is no federal healthcare.

Medicare?

Medicare is health insurance. Health care is still bought from the private sector.

That nullifies my response.. how?
It doesn'tt matter if the federal government pays for the insurance that pays the provate companies that provide for the health care, directly pays the private companies that provides the health care, or provides the health care itself - it's still federal health care.

 

[fissionfusion]

Medicare?

Medicare is health insurance. Health care is still bought from the private sector.

That nullifies my response.. how?
It doesn'tt matter if the federal government pays for the insurance that pays the provate companies that provide for the health care, directly pays the private companies that provides the health care, or provides the health care itself - it's still federal health care.

lol

big time reaching.

So Haliburton is a federal agency as well as every single banking system?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I'm all for trolling you dude...

But you are starting to ramble unintelligibly. Since when is cheap insurance anything more than promotion of welfare?

The power for government to provide, require, or subsidize 'cheap insurance' does not exist within the constitution.... the specific powers are distinctly laid out of what the government is charged to do... with the 10th amendment stating that all powers not granted to the federal government are then reserved for the states and/or the individual citizens...

Promotion of the general welfare is the creation of the free society that the government is set up to protect.... the constitution was never set up as a safety net for every citizen, rather it was set up to ensure the freedom of every citizen to take care of themselves, while not having to worry about invasion or takeover of another country or oppressive regime

And perhaps a little reading comprehension would help when looking at what the preamble states as a whole, and what the meaning behind it is... it is more like a dedication line of a book, showing who wrote it and for whom, and why... if you would like, I could possibly break it down to you, like a 3rd grade teach would to their students... for it seems like you need it broken down to about that level of understanding

Ah, I see the rift. You just read the preamble incorrectly. Very well.

The preamble says We the People, not We the Gubbermint. So I ask you again, what is your take on the first sentence of the U.S. Constitution and what you, as an independent being in the United States, are charged with doing as dutifully written in the United States Constitution?

And no, a preamble is not a dedication line. I mean if that's what you want to believe that's fine, but words mean things. Suprisingly enough preamble =/= dedication line.

I was wrong.
You CLEARLY don't know the difference between provide and promote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Medicare is health insurance. Health care is still bought from the private sector.

That nullifies my response.. how?
It doesn'tt matter if the federal government pays for the insurance that pays the provate companies that provide for the health care, directly pays the private companies that provides the health care, or provides the health care itself - it's still federal health care.

lol
big time reaching.

Feel free to show how I am wrong.
Given that you're long on smart-ass, but way short on smart, you'll have a tough time doing that.