What Americans want…

[BuckToothMoron]

I'm not a huge fan of the Orange clown, to be sure. I was forced to vote for him because the Dems running your party told you guys the bulldyke was your candidate. Trump is the result of a The 2 main parties screwing their base for too long. And also the libertarians selecting an idiot as a canidate. I'm not expecting any significant cooperation with Trump or any real results from his presidency. I voted the long game, SCOTUS.

Looks like you'll be getting what you voted for How good that is for America leaves large doubt in my mind

I'm sure it does leave you with doubt, but without justice Roberts changing the individual mandate into a tax, BOcare would not have become law. Since I adhere to the constitutional ideas of our framers, I don't think Healthcare, education, abortion, etc should be the purview of the federal government, but rather dealt with thru the democracy of individual states. So yes, I will take a giant Orange clown as POTUS if it puts more constitutional purist on the SCOTUS.

Buck don't mean to prolong this conversation but all those civilized countries with HC for their citizens are wrong?

I never said that, but since you bring it up, which of those countries do you think we should emulate? And when I say emulate, I mean emulate exactly.

I have zero idea which to duplicate I just know ours is wrong and far more costly than it could be

Wrong? Not sure there is an absolute right. It could be improved for sure. With regard to cost- Our current system, or even more so the direction the system is headed, is unsustainable IMO.

We have many issues to be sure, but here are a few that stand out.

There is little or no personal responsibility for ones own health. If I lead a lifestyle which is very likely to cause health issues, then I should be prepared to pay those cost. Why should You subsidize my healthcare if I chose to eat crappy food, drink excessively, smoke a pack of nicotine a day, and not exercise?

Big Pharmaceuticals make too much money drugging this country.
Nearly 60 percent of Americans — the highest ever — are taking prescription drugs
Nearly 3 in 5 American adults take a prescription drug, up markedly since 2000 because of much higher use of almost every type of medication, including antidepressants and treatments for high cholesterol and diabetes.
We also consume 80% of the worlds opioids.

Imagine a teenage with daddy's charge card. They never see the bill. They don't have to take the time to change the oil in their car, because when the engine blows, mom and dad pay to have it fixed. People who don't pay for their own healthcare, don't care what it cost. They are not motivated to limit their need for healthcare.

 

[Bleipriester]

It is a widespread phenomenon, therefor it is "systemic".

nope-----your statement is idiotic-----it would be like designating alcoholism a "systemic" problem.
"systemic problems" are problems that STEM from the "system" in use. Capitalism is
a system of economics-----it does not cause alcoholism

Not about capitalism or socialism. There´s a lack of government and armed gangs and organized crime fills this power vacuum.

there is economic breakdown in Detroit

The superior system...

What about all the other inner cities?

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

 

[eddiew]

Sorta like we were doing good with Obama when repubs were all against him

What do you expect when Obama tells you you can be apart of the debate, but you have to sit in the back seat. Trump has stated he wants to work with democrats.

Oh yeah Which ones did he call into the WH?? Trump is fos All he can do is badmouth dems

Trump said he was willing to work with democrats, but of course your to childish. The election didn't go your way. Whaaaa

Trump said??? don't you get it by now?? Trumps talk is cheap,,,,,,,,,,Obama wanted repub help but repubs were all for party not country

You can't be this much of a loon.

I'm a loon ??? You out of the country when your slimebag McConnell went off on Obama almost before he slept one night in the WH Are you just another nitwit republican that bashed everything he did and praise the pos Trump ?

 

[irosie91]

nope-----your statement is idiotic-----it would be like designating alcoholism a "systemic" problem.
"systemic problems" are problems that STEM from the "system" in use. Capitalism is
a system of economics-----it does not cause alcoholism

Not about capitalism or socialism. There´s a lack of government and armed gangs and organized crime fills this power vacuum.

there is economic breakdown in Detroit

The superior system...

What about all the other inner cities?

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

 

[Bleipriester]

Not about capitalism or socialism. There´s a lack of government and armed gangs and organized crime fills this power vacuum.

there is economic breakdown in Detroit

The superior system...

What about all the other inner cities?

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

 

[jknowgood]

What do you expect when Obama tells you you can be apart of the debate, but you have to sit in the back seat. Trump has stated he wants to work with democrats.

Oh yeah Which ones did he call into the WH?? Trump is fos All he can do is badmouth dems

Trump said he was willing to work with democrats, but of course your to childish. The election didn't go your way. Whaaaa

Trump said??? don't you get it by now?? Trumps talk is cheap,,,,,,,,,,Obama wanted repub help but repubs were all for party not country

You can't be this much of a loon.

I'm a loon ??? You out of the country when your slimebag McConnell went off on Obama almost before he slept one night in the WH Are you just another nitwit republican that bashed everything he did and praise the pos Trump ?

No, but you will hate Trump no matter what. Because that's what you are told to do.

 

[irosie91]

there is economic breakdown in Detroit

The superior system...

What about all the other inner cities?

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Those socialist countries are living off other peoples money… Sooner or later it will dry up

Other peoples' money is how the system works.

Yes, that's how Socialism works taking money from one group of people, giving it to the government. Then the government giving a very small portion of it to another group of people.

Taking from the poor like with this medicade transfer of wealth to billionaires, meets with your approval?? It does with most repubs

WTF is medicade?

It is what you get when you squeeze medics into water, like squeezing lemons in water gives you lemonade.

I'll bet it doesn't taste as good.

 

[Bleipriester]

The superior system...

What about all the other inner cities?

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

 

[irosie91]

"ALL" of the other inner cities? As in slumdog Bombay?

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

would you like to expand on that meaningless remark?

 

[irosie91]

stymied again

 

[Bleipriester]

I didn´t say that. Stop bullshitting.

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

would you like to expand on that meaningless remark?

Sure!

Maoism:
- Public executions
- Closed schools
- Farmers try to make iron causing an incredible famine doing so

Result: 70 million dead

Stalinism:
- Kill all farmers
- Kill all comrades

Result: 60 million dead

Nazism:
- Kill all "inferiors"
- Wage too large war

Result: 30 million dead

Baathism:
- Secularism
- Tolerance
- Security
- Freedom

Result: West wants to destroy it.

 

[irosie91]

ROFLMAO

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

would you like to expand on that meaningless remark?

Sure!

Maoism:
- Public executions
- Closed schools
- Farmers try to make iron causing an incredible famine doing so

Result: 70 million dead

Stalinism:
- Kill all farmers
- Kill all comrades

Result: 60 million dead

Nazism:
- Kill all "inferiors"
- Wage too large war

Result: 20 million dead

Baathism:
- Secularism
- Tolerance
- Security
- Freedom

Result: West wants to destroy it.

Baathism-----millions dead in arab nationalist genocides-----Egypt, Iraq, Uganda, Palestine, Syria-------one could throw shiitism into the mix as a kind of relative------MILLIONS DEAD---genocidal totalitarianism.
Capt blei glories in the piles of dead children

 

[Bleipriester]

Maoism!

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

would you like to expand on that meaningless remark?

Sure!

Maoism:
- Public executions
- Closed schools
- Farmers try to make iron causing an incredible famine doing so

Result: 70 million dead

Stalinism:
- Kill all farmers
- Kill all comrades

Result: 60 million dead

Nazism:
- Kill all "inferiors"
- Wage too large war

Result: 20 million dead

Baathism:
- Secularism
- Tolerance
- Security
- Freedom

Result: West wants to destroy it.

Baathism-----millions dead in arab nationalist genocides-----Egypt, Iraq, Uganda, Palestine, Syria-------one could throw shiitism into the mix as a kind of relative------MILLIONS DEAD---genocidal totalitarianism.
Capt blei glories in the piles of dead children

You confuse it with al-Qaeda and ISIS supporting and child bombing zionism.

 

[irosie91]

Maoism is very similar to Stalinism. Baathism is very similar to Nazism and shiitism

Wrong again.

would you like to expand on that meaningless remark?

Sure!

Maoism:
- Public executions
- Closed schools
- Farmers try to make iron causing an incredible famine doing so

Result: 70 million dead

Stalinism:
- Kill all farmers
- Kill all comrades

Result: 60 million dead

Nazism:
- Kill all "inferiors"
- Wage too large war

Result: 20 million dead

Baathism:
- Secularism
- Tolerance
- Security
- Freedom

Result: West wants to destroy it.

Baathism-----millions dead in arab nationalist genocides-----Egypt, Iraq, Uganda, Palestine, Syria-------one could throw shiitism into the mix as a kind of relative------MILLIONS DEAD---genocidal totalitarianism.
Capt blei glories in the piles of dead children

You confuse it with al-Qaeda and ISIS supporting and child bombing zionism.

millions-----dead----thy name is BAATHISM. arab nationalist socialism (aka Nazism)

 

[Papageorgio]

The rest of the people lack bread due to socialism. I'm sure bakers would love to sell more. Tasking the people with bread supplies is what happened in the USSR too. The more involved government gets, including business, the worse it gets.

Didn´t you read? The private bakeries refused to make bread and the government ordered them to make bread.

"because of socialism" is the most featureless claim that you can make.

Millions, billions in the world lack of food because of capitalism and you ignore it.

I said they would love to sell more bread, not just bake more bread. Capitalism works so you are spouting nonsense. Government involvement in business is how business becomes corrupt. Then it's crony capitalism, not free market capitalism.

They are not ordered to give the bread away, just to make enough bread. That they have to be ordered is just another poof for that the market must be regulated.

Your story makes no sense. There's definitely more to it. The people are broke, what do they buy the bread with?

The people are not broke. The prices are manipulated. Sure, the low oil prices hit the country hard but it is recovering. What really is a problem is the US-backed opposition´s criminal actions.

"Disgruntled customers, empty store shelves, long supermarket lines. These are the images that mainstream U.S. media typically feature in their coverage of Venezuela’s ongoing food crisis.

U.S. media outlets publish stories blaming Venezuela’s food crisis on the socialist government almost daily. Today isn’t any different.These images are usually accompanied by sarcastic headlines like Forbes’ “Venezuela Discovers the Perfect Weight Loss Diet” and the Cato Institute’s “Hunger Is in Retreat, But Not in Socialist Venezuela.”

A new study released by researchers from three Venezuelan universities reported that nearly 75 percent of the population lost an average of 19 pounds in 2016 for lack of food. The report, titled, “2016 Living Conditions Survey,” added that about 32.5 percent of Venezuelans eat only once or twice a day, compared to 11.3 percent last year.

Moreover, 93.3 percent told the researchers that their income was not enough to cover their food needs.

The facts are clear — Venezuela does have a food crisis. Mainstream U.S. media, however, blames the socialist government that has radically improved the country’s standard of living instead of right-wing U.S.-backed opposition forces intentionally sabotaging the economy.

Since the early 2000s, supermarket owners affiliated with Venezuela’s opposition have been purposefully hoarding food products so they can resell them at higher prices and make large profits. Food importing companies owned by the country’s wealthy right-wing elite are also manipulating import figures to raise prices.

In 2013, former Venezuelan Central Bank chief Edmee Betancourt reported that the country lost between US$15 and $20 billion dollars the previous year through such fraudulent import deals.

It doesn’t stop there.

Last year, over 750 opposition-controlled offshore companies linked to the Panama Papers scandal were accused of purposely redirecting Venezuelan imports of raw food materials from the government to the private sector. Many of these companies sell their products to private companies in Colombia, which resell them to Venezuelans living close to Colombia.

Reuters admitted in 2014 that Venezuelan opposition members living in border states are shipping low-cost foodstuffs provided by the Venezuelan government into Colombia for profit.“Selling contraband is a serious problem. People here are taking large quantities of products meant for Venezuelans and selling them in Colombia,” Valencia resident Francisco Luzon told Al Jazeera in a 2014 interview.

Overall, Venezuela’s millionaire opposition are profiting handsomely from the country’s food crisis while blaming it on the socialist government that’s trying to eliminate it."

Blaming Socialism, US Media Distorts Venezuela’s Food Crisis

Thanks for giving us a far left wing link. I don't buy into these types of sites as they often distort and slant news to fit their propaganda.

 

[Papageorgio]

This is true, but you don't do it with handouts. The government will never make life better, That's the job of capitalism.
That's why Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet… It brings out the worst in people

Capitalism doesn´t work. Over time, it accumulates all the money into a single hand. Therefore the government is required to regulate the free market. If it doesn´t, the system will crash due to a lack of purchasing power.

it works best when blended in with some socialism....

The terms capitalism and socialism are outdated. A civilized society differs from the jungle because those in need get help. Those opposing any welfare are going to the welfare office in case of unemployment, too. Then they will see the benefits of a welfare system.

just about all human societies have systems of social support in place. The USA did not invent the idea

Your welfare system is underdeveloped and we read in the news how many homeless are going to die next winter. You have thousands of skyscrapers, who don´t you have homes for the poor?

How many homeless are going to die next winter?

 

[Bleipriester]

Didn´t you read? The private bakeries refused to make bread and the government ordered them to make bread.

"because of socialism" is the most featureless claim that you can make.

Millions, billions in the world lack of food because of capitalism and you ignore it.

I said they would love to sell more bread, not just bake more bread. Capitalism works so you are spouting nonsense. Government involvement in business is how business becomes corrupt. Then it's crony capitalism, not free market capitalism.

They are not ordered to give the bread away, just to make enough bread. That they have to be ordered is just another poof for that the market must be regulated.

Your story makes no sense. There's definitely more to it. The people are broke, what do they buy the bread with?

The people are not broke. The prices are manipulated. Sure, the low oil prices hit the country hard but it is recovering. What really is a problem is the US-backed opposition´s criminal actions.

"Disgruntled customers, empty store shelves, long supermarket lines. These are the images that mainstream U.S. media typically feature in their coverage of Venezuela’s ongoing food crisis.

U.S. media outlets publish stories blaming Venezuela’s food crisis on the socialist government almost daily. Today isn’t any different.These images are usually accompanied by sarcastic headlines like Forbes’ “Venezuela Discovers the Perfect Weight Loss Diet” and the Cato Institute’s “Hunger Is in Retreat, But Not in Socialist Venezuela.”

A new study released by researchers from three Venezuelan universities reported that nearly 75 percent of the population lost an average of 19 pounds in 2016 for lack of food. The report, titled, “2016 Living Conditions Survey,” added that about 32.5 percent of Venezuelans eat only once or twice a day, compared to 11.3 percent last year.

Moreover, 93.3 percent told the researchers that their income was not enough to cover their food needs.

The facts are clear — Venezuela does have a food crisis. Mainstream U.S. media, however, blames the socialist government that has radically improved the country’s standard of living instead of right-wing U.S.-backed opposition forces intentionally sabotaging the economy.

Since the early 2000s, supermarket owners affiliated with Venezuela’s opposition have been purposefully hoarding food products so they can resell them at higher prices and make large profits. Food importing companies owned by the country’s wealthy right-wing elite are also manipulating import figures to raise prices.

In 2013, former Venezuelan Central Bank chief Edmee Betancourt reported that the country lost between US$15 and $20 billion dollars the previous year through such fraudulent import deals.

It doesn’t stop there.

Last year, over 750 opposition-controlled offshore companies linked to the Panama Papers scandal were accused of purposely redirecting Venezuelan imports of raw food materials from the government to the private sector. Many of these companies sell their products to private companies in Colombia, which resell them to Venezuelans living close to Colombia.

Reuters admitted in 2014 that Venezuelan opposition members living in border states are shipping low-cost foodstuffs provided by the Venezuelan government into Colombia for profit.“Selling contraband is a serious problem. People here are taking large quantities of products meant for Venezuelans and selling them in Colombia,” Valencia resident Francisco Luzon told Al Jazeera in a 2014 interview.

Overall, Venezuela’s millionaire opposition are profiting handsomely from the country’s food crisis while blaming it on the socialist government that’s trying to eliminate it."

Blaming Socialism, US Media Distorts Venezuela’s Food Crisis

Thanks for giving us a far left wing link. I don't buy into these types of sites as they often distort and slant news to fit their propaganda.

Yes, the alignment is left. It is the default here. Anyway, which content of the article to you question?