West's Communist Party claim about Democrats

[occupied]

I have studied communist propaganda under the rubric of "know your enemy."

Your enemy is an idea. What happens when a government fights an idea?

Who's asking government to fight an idea? However, the voters should know who espouses those ideas so they can vote them out of office.

People who were members of the Communist Party in the 1950 were agents of the Soviet Union who took orders directly from Stalin. As such, they were enemies of the United States and should rightly have been barred from employment in sensative government positions. Anyone who disputes that position is simply a Communist himself, a fellow travelor or an imbecile.

McCarthy was fighting an idea, that's why he lost.

USSR ended up with all our secrets, mostly by pay-offs and blackmail, didn't help them a bit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

McCarthy lost because he used anti-American tactics to go after his enemies.

 

[bripat9643]

Your enemy is an idea. What happens when a government fights an idea?

Who's asking government to fight an idea? However, the voters should know who espouses those ideas so they can vote them out of office.

People who were members of the Communist Party in the 1950 were agents of the Soviet Union who took orders directly from Stalin. As such, they were enemies of the United States and should rightly have been barred from employment in sensative government positions. Anyone who disputes that position is simply a Communist himself, a fellow travelor or an imbecile.

McCarthy was fighting an idea, that's why he lost.

He lost because he was outnumbered by the dedicated Communists and fellow travelors in infesting our government and the media. He was't fighting an idea. He was fighting espionage by a hostile foriegn power.

[USSR ended up with all our secrets, mostly by pay-offs and blackmail, didn't help them a bit.

Espionage didn't help the Soviet Union? Are you stupid? Don't you know how they got the atom bomb? The hydrogen bomb? Most of their military technology was based on secret information obtain by their spies.

God, liberals are such incredible numskulls!

 

[Dragon]

Oh right, so there's nothing intrinsically evil about Nazism. A few bad Germans were to blame for All those bad things that happened in the early 1940s.

Is that really what you're saying?

Let me put it this way. If some persons in this country were to start howling about how "Nazism started the biggest war in history and murdered six million Jews," and then claimed that Republicans were really Nazis because they had right-leaning views, and started an anti-Nazi campaign to hound conservatives out of government offices, and concocted all kinds of dubiously-connected "front" organizations, claiming that members of the Tea Party Caucus in Congress were Nazi fellow travelers, I would have a problem with that.

Even real American Communists, members of the CPUSA in its current manifestation, aren't inclined to murder people. And of course, West is full of it, and the Progressive Caucus isn't even Communist at all.

 

[Mr.Nick]

"Communism" is not responsible for the death of even the real number of people killed by so-called Communist regimes, let alone ridiculously inflated figures like 250 million. Those regimes and the men who led them were responsible. A belief-system, not being a person, can't be.

In fact, treating Communism as if it were a person or an organization is the root cause, I think, of our Cold War lunacy. If we had understood Communism to be a philosophy of politics and economics rather than some personified entity, we would have understood that there was no chance whatever that a Communist regime could rise to power in this country. For that to happen, it must have popular appeal, and for THAT to happen, the people must see themselves as peasants or the equivalent oppressed by cruel landlords and aristocrats. (Well, come to think of it, we may not be so far from that today, but certainly we were far from it in the 1950s.)

Liberalism is the best defense against Communism. But liberalism, not Communism, was the anti-Communists' real target.

No, socialism is to blame...

The whole idea of communism is meant to SUSTAIN "X" amount of people.....

What happens when you have a bad crop season?? people starve to death and many are purged from their native lands for their resources.

What happens when dissidents oppose the communist regime? they're promptly slaughtered or imprisoned...

Communism doesn't work for those two main reasons...

A) it is impossible to sustain a populace when your goal is NOT to create wealth but to sustain.

B) it is impossible for communism to be successful without total obedience from the populace..

That's why communism is prone to famine, culls and purges...

Go see EVERY communist regime ever since Marx inspired his first moonbat to prove my point(s)...

Ever hear of the Five-Year-Plan dummy??

Mao - 40,000,000 dead
Lenin/Stalin - 60,000,000 dead
Hitler - 6,000,000 dead
Pol Pot - 2-3,000,000 dead
Ho Chi Minh - 2,000,000 dead
Castro - 1,500,000 dead

Of course I can go on and on with other socialist/communist dictators that killed 1.5 million or less in smaller communist nations over the years.. Che Guevara would be a fantastic example and he was nothing more than a rogue communist gorilla..

The people who did it are to blame. Neither Communism, nor socialism, nor any other idea can excuse them.

And your figures are still preposterous. The real ones are bad enough. When you inflate them like that, you only make yourself look like a moron.

You're absolutely wrong...

Those people were culled, purged or died as the result of famine because socialism made those options possible

Killing those people were economic moves..

You can't support a family of 25 on 300 bucks a week can you??? so what do you do? you shrink the family and feed your favorites (the loyal and elite)...

My numbers aren't skewed - what is skewed is the fact those who died of famine are hardly ever counted in official death tolls - just those murdered as result from the regime.

 

[occupied]

McCarthy lost because he used anti-American tactics to go after his enemies.

Going after an idea requires anti-American tactics because fighting an ideology is inherently anti-American, look at all the shady crap we did in the war on terror.

 

[bripat9643]

McCarthy lost because he used anti-American tactics to go after his enemies.

Democrats in Congress use those same tactics every day of the week.

 

[bripat9643]

McCarthy lost because he used anti-American tactics to go after his enemies.

Going after an idea requires anti-American tactics because fighting an ideology is inherently anti-American, look at all the shady crap we did in the war on terror.

He wasn't fighting an idea, you fucking nimrod. He was fighting Soviet Espionage.

The war on terror also doesn't qualify as a war on an idea.

Most of what turds like you believe isn't just wrong, it's beyond stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

McCarthy lost because he used anti-American tactics to go after his enemies.

Democrats in Congress use those same tactics every day of the week.

Which excuses NO PARTY or ITS MEMBERS from doing so.

Your duty as a real American is to call out such, whoever does it.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Your enemy is an idea. What happens when a government fights an idea?

Who's asking government to fight an idea? However, the voters should know who espouses those ideas so they can vote them out of office.

People who were members of the Communist Party in the 1950 were agents of the Soviet Union who took orders directly from Stalin. As such, they were enemies of the United States and should rightly have been barred from employment in sensative government positions. Anyone who disputes that position is simply a Communist himself, a fellow travelor or an imbecile.

McCarthy was fighting an idea, that's why he lost.

USSR ended up with all our secrets, mostly by pay-offs and blackmail, didn't help them a bit.

More like American spies sold them secrets...

Over the years many natural born US citizens have been caught selling top secret information to the Russians....

 

[Navy1960]

Here's a thought, for those of you who wish to see Communist under every rock and in every person be they Republican or Democrat or American or for that matter whatever the political stripe, perhaps the best place to start is at home. Let me explain, if communism is so anti american then perhaps dump the PC you are using and the cell phone, stop shopping at Wal-Mart, heck for that matter just stop shopping because just about everything we as Americans take for granted now is made by those so called Communists we are all so quick to point a finger at. While I for one am 100% in favor of all that being made by Americans , be they communists or not, the fact remains they are not, and the best thing to do here is not to label people by what political party they may or may not belong to, rather on the love of the nation in which we all belong too, as I am sure while some disagree on things politically at least we can agree on that.

As the Maxine Water's video clearly demonstrated, there is little difference between the beliefs of "liberals" and the beliefs of communists. The fact has been demonstrated repeatedly in this forum. Communism has gone mainstream. They no longer hide under beds. They infest the halls of Congress, only they call themselves "progressives" or other such innocuous sounding euphemisms now.

These people do not love America. They hate America and everything it stands for. They have been doing everything they can to destroy it since 1917.

I can't believe I find myself in the position where I have to defend communism of all things, considering how I spent a good portion of my life. However that said, if one loves this nation then they love the fact that people enjoy the right to express beliefs that we may not agree with and that right was paid for in blood and is still being paid for today. It makes those that express themselves no less American than you or I or makes them love this nation no less than you or I. In fact to advocate for a position protected by the 1st Amendment of all things is to exercise a "right" given to ALL Americans. While perhaps the beliefs may or may not be the same, it does not matter in this case , because in a lot of the nations in which Communism flourishes the right to express one's opinion such as here would result in a jail cell when it is not the "RIGHT" opinion. I am sure your not advocating that even if you dont agree with Maxine Waters which btw, I don't normally agree with her as well.

I did however suggest, that those that tend to place their fellow Americans in such catagories as "unamerican" or " communist" should then in fact live what they advocate then and simply stop supporting Communism completely both in terms of shopping at such places like Wal-Mart, Dell, Apple, etc etc etc etc etc. and both you and I know that until such time as we as Americans begin to take control of our own destiny once again, then thats impossible and to label our fellow Americans in such ways doesn't help much.

While it's important to hold onto one's values and one's beliefs the right to disagree can be upheld as an American one without such labels as Communist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who's asking government to fight an idea? However, the voters should know who espouses those ideas so they can vote them out of office.

People who were members of the Communist Party in the 1950 were agents of the Soviet Union who took orders directly from Stalin. As such, they were enemies of the United States and should rightly have been barred from employment in sensative government positions. Anyone who disputes that position is simply a Communist himself, a fellow travelor or an imbecile.

McCarthy was fighting an idea, that's why he lost.

USSR ended up with all our secrets, mostly by pay-offs and blackmail, didn't help them a bit.

More like American spies sold them secrets...

Over the years many natural born US citizens have been caught selling top secret information to the Russians....

Nick, come here. Please. From my mouth to your ear. Americans, immigrant and natural born, have been selling out to the enemy from the beginning. The commanding general of the US Army was in the pay of Spain in the early years of the 19th century.

However, if you make accusations of grandeur without proof, you are just like McCarthy, and no one will pay you real attention.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Does the GOP really want to raise this embarrassing part of their history in the 50s?

The GOP isn’t in clear thinking mode anymore, after more then three years of irrational hate. They know they can’t win on the issues, their failed fiscal policy in particular.

 

[bripat9643]

Does the GOP really want to raise this embarrassing part of their history in the 50s?

The GOP isn’t in clear thinking mode anymore, after more then three years of irrational hate. They know they can’t win on the issues, their failed fiscal policy in particular.

Yeah, right. Spending $2 trillion more than the government takes in every year is a great success!

 

[Mr.Nick]

Here's a thought, for those of you who wish to see Communist under every rock and in every person be they Republican or Democrat or American or for that matter whatever the political stripe, perhaps the best place to start is at home. Let me explain, if communism is so anti american then perhaps dump the PC you are using and the cell phone, stop shopping at Wal-Mart, heck for that matter just stop shopping because just about everything we as Americans take for granted now is made by those so called Communists we are all so quick to point a finger at. While I for one am 100% in favor of all that being made by Americans , be they communists or not, the fact remains they are not, and the best thing to do here is not to label people by what political party they may or may not belong to, rather on the love of the nation in which we all belong too, as I am sure while some disagree on things politically at least we can agree on that.

As the Maxine Water's video clearly demonstrated, there is little difference between the beliefs of "liberals" and the beliefs of communists. The fact has been demonstrated repeatedly in this forum. Communism has gone mainstream. They no longer hide under beds. They infest the halls of Congress, only they call themselves "progressives" or other such innocuous sounding euphemisms now.

These people do not love America. They hate America and everything it stands for. They have been doing everything they can to destroy it since 1917.

I can't believe I find myself in the position where I have to defend communism of all things, considering how I spent a good portion of my life. However that said, if one loves this nation then they love the fact that people enjoy the right to express beliefs that we may not agree with and that right was paid for in blood and is still being paid for today. It makes those that express themselves no less American than you or I or makes them love this nation no less than you or I. In fact to advocate for a position protected by the 1st Amendment of all things is to exercise a "right" given to ALL Americans. While perhaps the beliefs may or may not be the same, it does not matter in this case , because in a lot of the nations in which Communism flourishes the right to express one's opinion such as here would result in a jail cell when it is not the "RIGHT" opinion. I am sure your not advocating that even if you dont agree with Maxine Waters which btw, I don't normally agree with her as well.

I did however suggest, that those that tend to place their fellow Americans in such catagories as "unamerican" or " communist" should then in fact live what they advocate then and simply stop supporting Communism completely both in terms of shopping at such places like Wal-Mart, Dell, Apple, etc etc etc etc etc. and both you and I know that until such time as we as Americans begin to take control of our own destiny once again, then thats impossible and to label our fellow Americans in such ways doesn't help much.

While it's important to hold onto one's values and one's beliefs the right to disagree can be upheld as an American one without such labels as Communist.

But National communism is de facto treason...

They advocate unconstitutional ideas and wish to employ them..

I believe in the First Amendment, but I also believe those who wish to abuse our First Amendment with the intentions of destroying it are guilty of treason...

Communists belong in prison and charges of conspiracy at least...

Debating the idea is one thing but democratically electing a potential progressive coup is another - and we do have a coup on our hands...

One has to draw the line somewhere.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nick, from my mouth to your ear: your opinions are not law. In fact, many of them are wack.

 

[Mr.Nick]

McCarthy was fighting an idea, that's why he lost.

USSR ended up with all our secrets, mostly by pay-offs and blackmail, didn't help them a bit.

More like American spies sold them secrets...

Over the years many natural born US citizens have been caught selling top secret information to the Russians....

Nick, come here. Please. From my mouth to your ear. Americans, immigrant and natural born, have been selling out to the enemy from the beginning. The commanding general of the US Army was in the pay of Spain in the early years of the 19th century.

However, if you make accusations of grandeur without proof, you are just like McCarthy, and no one will pay you real attention.

It's happened NUMEROUS times..

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[The T]

Does the GOP really want to raise this embarrassing part of their history in the 50s?

The GOP isn’t in clear thinking mode anymore, after more then three years of irrational hate. They know they can’t win on the issues, their failed fiscal policy in particular.

Yeah, right. Spending $2 trillion more than the government takes in every year is a great success!

And if this were a business? Everyone of these bastards would be in jail.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Did you read what I posted, Nick? Yes, it has happened many times. Neither party has the other by the nose on it is the point. McCarthy acted like those who demonized, which is not good for America.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Nick, from my mouth to your ear: your opinions are not law. In fact, many of them are wack.

Really??? Because communism/socialism violates every Amendment of the Bill of Rights..