We're Lowering Your Wages

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    What is wrong with people? Why are we arguing in favor of lower wages? Are we jealous that people working for the Big 3 make $30 hr? Don’t we realize that our wages are where they are because the Unions brought them up? And many of you don’t even realize that you’re lives are impacted by the Big 3’s success. Too many people are in favor of letting the Big 3 fail. That can only mean most of you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get that the bank bailout was just a bank robbery. Bush didn’t empty the treasury enough in 7 years. He had to steal $750 billion more.

    Now is not the time to get tight with the dollar, or to get tough with corporate CEO’s. If you are going to do that, do that to the bankers. They only got about $250 billion of the $750 billion. Let’s loan the $50 billion the Big 3 want from the $750 billion. Let’s make the banks loan the Big 3 that money. All of our jobs are tied to the Big 3, whether we know it or not.

    Why are we allowing Corporate America to send jobs overseas and ship the products back to sell to us? If we aren’t good enough to make the products, we shouldn’t buy the products. Not in every case, but Corporate America/The GOP went too far. Yes Clinton signed NAFTA but Bush/Delay/The GOP took it too far.

    I just don’t get why people applaud Honda and Toyota for paying their employees $15 hr. Are any of you raising a family on $15 hr?

    It is not a given that America will always have a strong/big middle class. Our government and tax system created the middle class we had from the 50’s to the 90’s. And Bushanomics is tearing us apart. If we keep doing what we are doing now, we’ll have a small rich class, small merchantile middle class, and a huge working poor population. That’s why our founding fathers left England.

    Wait until the market is flooded with people who can do your jobs. How much do you think you will be worth then? All the people who are losing their jobs are going back to be retrained as nursing, engineer and IT Professional. GREAT! Now corporate America will be able to lower their worth next.

    This is an assault on the middle class, and most of you don’t even know it yet.
     
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    I think that the problem people have with $30 per hour salaries has nothing to do with jealousy, nothing to do with wanting people to have trouble raising their families...and everything to do with whether or not that salary is economically feasible given the fact that people, by and large, do not seem to want to buy the $30 per hour employees cars as much as they want the $15 per hour employees car.

    If a business is losing money because people don't want their product AND they are continuing to pay their employees double what other companies are paying...they are going to have trouble. And giving them more money so that they can continue to pay their employees double what other companies are paying and making products that the people don't want isn't going to solve the problem...its just going to delay the next time the company comes begging for money to save its employees.
     
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    meh.. dont' worry.. these people won't be happy until the American auto worker makes the same as all that cheap labor from mexico. Why pay 30/hr when you can continue to cry and bitch about the cost of labor when paying 4/hour? Nothing is more AMERICAN than telling Americans to fuck off while you grab cheap labor from india. Hungry? Thank a Free Market Capitalista.
     
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    I agree with you on the wages, Bobo. It isn't the wages that are killing the car companies. It's a combination of a poor product and the fact that people can't get or afford car loans.
     
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    You can get rid of the jobs banks and the CEO can go from $20 million a year salary down to $1 million a year, but I don't think Americans should resent the employees making a great wage. If we do, then we are arguing to lower our own wages.

    And I don't see that the foreign car companies cars are that much cheaper or better than ours.

    And maybe if those foreign countries would allow our car companies to sell cars in their countries, maybe that would help the companies bottom line and so they could continue to pay good American wages, but they don't. So trade is not fair.

    And until it is fair, we should have some bit of protectionism going on.
     
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    You must have a misconception. It is not that majority of people would want any of the average workers wages lowered. The fact is that if these large companies had been minding their own P's and Q's the American public would have no need to bail them out.
     
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    The market decides the value of a job or service.

    If the market dictates that a guy who installs 2 screws and a nut all day for 8 hours and gets 6 weeks paid time off a year isn't worth paying $1200 a week then the company who pays that guy 1200 a week will go out of business.

    And that company should go out of business.

    Do you really want the government using our tax dollars to prop up the pay of a bunch of assembly line monkeys? Hell MY money should be left in my pocket not given to the fucking auto companies that have been failing for years.

    If you let these poorly run, profitless companies fail, you won't have to worry about CEO pay because they'll all be unemployed too, as they should be.

    The government is basically forcing we the tax payers to buy worthless stocks. What would you do if you got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that you had to buy 2500 dollars worth of stock in Company X ,and you were subject to incarceration if you don't, even though that company hadn't posted a profit in 5 years?

    What would you do if you got that letter?


    Well WAKE UP because this is exactly what the government is doing but without the letter.
     
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    But even Honda and Toyota's sales are down 50% from last year.

    And you don't think Bush and his buddies gouging us at the pumps for 3 years had anything to do with SUV's becoming unpopular? Ford was profitable in 1999. Coincidence? Did you see it coming? Did you know gas would go back down to under $2? I didn't. Bush didn't. At least he said he didn't know when gas went up to $4.

    Or letting countries come sell cars here when they don't let us sell anything in their countries?

    Or American corporations letting illegals work for them under the table?

    The blame game is getting old. When jobs are scarce, wages go down. That's why they are sending jobs overseas and letting illegals come here to work.

    It isn't the union auto workers fault. Way too many of us non union workers have seen our wages go down or lost our jobs for it to be their fault. Next it will be our fault. Fat lazy American swine!
     
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    You don't realize it, but you are helping to lower all our wages. They got you arguing about overpaid union workers to distract you from the real problem. American workers cost too much. Or foreign workers are cheaper.

    Maybe union workers are overpaid and lazy. They also only make up about 12% of the American work force. They're just breaking them first. You're next.
     
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    You keep saying that countries don't allow us to sell cars over there, but that is a lie. It's just that nobody over there wants to buy an inferior product just for the "privilege" of it being American.
     

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