Welfare Profiteering

[Agit8r]

Most welfare is distributed by state govts in the US. Some of the necessary revenues for it are raised through state sales and income taxes. Other specific types are funded through our neofederal system. In any case, there are those who benefit most from welfare (responsible poor, who use it as a hand up, and the mega-wealthy who profit from it) and those who are effected most adversely by it (those caught in a cycle of dependency and the middle class who disproportionately fund the programs)

there are of course a few categories in the middle, such as landlords who collect HUD checks, but in general, the broad generalities above hold true (and explain why the Libertarian party is not viable in our interest-group based "democracy")

Is it now clear why those who support taxing the profiteers of welfare higher are marginalized in both parties. It's because we live in a Robertsian Plutocracy, and those megabucks spent on elections come from somewhere

If we want to fix the problem, it takes citizen action. Promote candidates that insist that welfare programs be goal oriented and closed ended. insist that candidates support a constitutional amendment that clarifies the civil rights are meant for humans only, and that bribes for subsidies is no longer acceptable. Also it should be that those who got us into the debt through their conniving influence, and profited greatly at our expense, ought to bear the burden of digging the country out. It is truly the least we should ask!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Most welfare is distributed by state govts in the US. Some of the necessary revenues for it are raised through state sales and income taxes. Other specific types are funded through our neofederal system. In any case, there are those who benefit most from welfare (responsible poor, who use it as a hand up, and the mega-wealthy who profit from it) and those who are effected most adversely by it (those caught in a cycle of dependency and the middle class who disproportionately fund the programs)

there are of course a few categories in the middle, such as landlords who collect HUD checks, but in general, the broad generalities above hold true (and explain why the Libertarian party is not viable in our interest-group based "democracy")

Is it now clear why those who support taxing the profiteers of welfare higher are marginalized in both parties. It's because we live in a Robertsian Plutocracy, and those megabucks spent on elections come from somewhere

If we want to fix the problem, it takes citizen action. Promote candidates that insist that welfare programs be goal oriented and closed ended. insist that candidates support a constitutional amendment that clarifies the civil rights are meant for humans only, and that bribes for subsidies is no longer acceptable. Also it should be that those who got us into the debt through their conniving influence, and profited greatly at our expense, ought to bear the burden of digging the country out. It is truly the least we should ask!

Allow me to be the first to say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

If you want to discuss ways to fix a problem, would it be too much to ask that you 1) clearly define the problem, and 2) substantially demonstrate that there actually IS a problem first?

Who are these apocryphal "mega-wealthy" who "profit from" welfare? HOW do they profit from it? And by the way, what proof do you have that the middle class is "disproportionately funding" these programs?

 

[Agit8r]

Most welfare is distributed by state govts in the US. Some of the necessary revenues for it are raised through state sales and income taxes. Other specific types are funded through our neofederal system. In any case, there are those who benefit most from welfare (responsible poor, who use it as a hand up, and the mega-wealthy who profit from it) and those who are effected most adversely by it (those caught in a cycle of dependency and the middle class who disproportionately fund the programs)

there are of course a few categories in the middle, such as landlords who collect HUD checks, but in general, the broad generalities above hold true (and explain why the Libertarian party is not viable in our interest-group based "democracy")

Is it now clear why those who support taxing the profiteers of welfare higher are marginalized in both parties. It's because we live in a Robertsian Plutocracy, and those megabucks spent on elections come from somewhere

If we want to fix the problem, it takes citizen action. Promote candidates that insist that welfare programs be goal oriented and closed ended. insist that candidates support a constitutional amendment that clarifies the civil rights are meant for humans only, and that bribes for subsidies is no longer acceptable. Also it should be that those who got us into the debt through their conniving influence, and profited greatly at our expense, ought to bear the burden of digging the country out. It is truly the least we should ask!

Allow me to be the first to say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

If you want to discuss ways to fix a problem, would it be too much to ask that you 1) clearly define the problem, and 2) substantially demonstrate that there actually IS a problem first?

Who are these apocryphal "mega-wealthy" who "profit from" welfare? HOW do they profit from it? And by the way, what proof do you have that the middle class is "disproportionately funding" these programs?

The Walton kids immediately come to mind. They would only be moderately wealthy if welfare of every sort hadn't enabled its mega-expansion. Then of course there is Steve Jobs and the like who profit off the "frivolous poor"s consumption of luxury trinkets. The list could go on and on, but i assume that you get the idea

 

[Granny]

I've already started a thread about ideas for fixing our problems. I started with education with an emphasis about getting people off welfare, but the thread does not need to be limited to education/welfare. No one seems interested offering positive ideas in solving things, only arguing about them.

Problem Solving: "Insider" Input Requested

 

[The Rabbi]

Most welfare is distributed by state govts in the US. Some of the necessary revenues for it are raised through state sales and income taxes. Other specific types are funded through our neofederal system. In any case, there are those who benefit most from welfare (responsible poor, who use it as a hand up, and the mega-wealthy who profit from it) and those who are effected most adversely by it (those caught in a cycle of dependency and the middle class who disproportionately fund the programs)

there are of course a few categories in the middle, such as landlords who collect HUD checks, but in general, the broad generalities above hold true (and explain why the Libertarian party is not viable in our interest-group based "democracy")

Is it now clear why those who support taxing the profiteers of welfare higher are marginalized in both parties. It's because we live in a Robertsian Plutocracy, and those megabucks spent on elections come from somewhere

If we want to fix the problem, it takes citizen action. Promote candidates that insist that welfare programs be goal oriented and closed ended. insist that candidates support a constitutional amendment that clarifies the civil rights are meant for humans only, and that bribes for subsidies is no longer acceptable. Also it should be that those who got us into the debt through their conniving influence, and profited greatly at our expense, ought to bear the burden of digging the country out. It is truly the least we should ask!

Allow me to be the first to say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

If you want to discuss ways to fix a problem, would it be too much to ask that you 1) clearly define the problem, and 2) substantially demonstrate that there actually IS a problem first?

Who are these apocryphal "mega-wealthy" who "profit from" welfare? HOW do they profit from it? And by the way, what proof do you have that the middle class is "disproportionately funding" these programs?

The OP is a loosely worded jargon laden mess. It is hard to know where to begin.
The biggest profters from welfare are the bureaucrats who administer the programs. They are thus the ones with the biggest incentives to see it continue.

 

[cutter]

The person that benefited most from welfare is Obama. With-out the welfare vote he would still be a community organizer out there signing people up for welfare.

 

[Oddball]

The real profiteers of the socialistic welfare state are the bureaucrats.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Most welfare is distributed by state govts in the US. Some of the necessary revenues for it are raised through state sales and income taxes. Other specific types are funded through our neofederal system. In any case, there are those who benefit most from welfare (responsible poor, who use it as a hand up, and the mega-wealthy who profit from it) and those who are effected most adversely by it (those caught in a cycle of dependency and the middle class who disproportionately fund the programs)

there are of course a few categories in the middle, such as landlords who collect HUD checks, but in general, the broad generalities above hold true (and explain why the Libertarian party is not viable in our interest-group based "democracy")

Is it now clear why those who support taxing the profiteers of welfare higher are marginalized in both parties. It's because we live in a Robertsian Plutocracy, and those megabucks spent on elections come from somewhere

If we want to fix the problem, it takes citizen action. Promote candidates that insist that welfare programs be goal oriented and closed ended. insist that candidates support a constitutional amendment that clarifies the civil rights are meant for humans only, and that bribes for subsidies is no longer acceptable. Also it should be that those who got us into the debt through their conniving influence, and profited greatly at our expense, ought to bear the burden of digging the country out. It is truly the least we should ask!

Allow me to be the first to say, "What the hell are you talking about?"

If you want to discuss ways to fix a problem, would it be too much to ask that you 1) clearly define the problem, and 2) substantially demonstrate that there actually IS a problem first?

Who are these apocryphal "mega-wealthy" who "profit from" welfare? HOW do they profit from it? And by the way, what proof do you have that the middle class is "disproportionately funding" these programs?

The Walton kids immediately come to mind. They would only be moderately wealthy if welfare of every sort hadn't enabled its mega-expansion. Then of course there is Steve Jobs and the like who profit off the "frivolous poor"s consumption of luxury trinkets. The list could go on and on, but i assume that you get the idea

"The Walton kids"? I assume you mean the children of Sam Walton, the founder of WalMart?

What you may assume I get is that you feel you can simply throw out names of extremely wealthy people, state that they are "welfare profiteers", and then toddle off believing that everyone will simply accept your premise. THAT is all I got from your post.

What I hope I will get from your NEXT post is what I actually asked for: a clear statement of the problem and substantiation that such a problem exists. Anytime soon would be good.