Wearing unearned military medals is free speech

[ClosedCaption]

You have no argument that isnt emotional

If I cared what a leftist retard said that might bother me but given you are indeed a leftist retard it doesn't. Now....GFY, clown boy

You seem to believe that not caring means you are not presenting an emotional argument. The only thing you have is the visual equivalent of this

Doesn't your b/f need fondled or something? Your middle school type insults are just that, middle school. Now I repeat, GFY

It wasnt an insult. Your only responses are all the equivalent of gasping and clutching your chest.

This is the Big One! You hear that Elizabeth? I'm coming to join you!

 

[turzovka]

Many of the military clothing items sold at thrift shops and Army Navy stores still have the rank and insignia on them. I don't see a problem with wearing it or even the medals, as long you aren't pretending to be something you're not.

I guess you are right. But I would like to know what kind of person would wear a full military uniform along with medals and patches in public? For what reason or what is their objective? That is, unless they are pretending to be someone they are not. I can see a junior outfit for young boys to play in the yard, but an adult?

 

[ogibillm]

The court made the correct ruling.

What you can go after is their use of the false medals to somehow make money. If they get a material benefit from the fake medals, that's fraud.

You ever watch any of the Stolen Valor videos? A bunch of losers pretending to be someone, it's sad and pathetic. Best one out there is the one where a fraud ran into an Airborne Ranger, the Ranger literally bitch slapped the fraud.

You have no argument that isnt emotional

on any subject

 

[ogibillm]

There are few things lower than doing this and Stolen Valor. If you never walked the walk do NOT pretend you have.

Court: Wearing unearned military medal is protected by Constitution

SAN FRANCISCO (Tribune News Service) — A federal law that prohibited people from wearing military medals they didn’t earn is unconstitutional for the same reason as a law that made it a crime to lie about earning a medal, a federal appeals court ruled Monday: It’s a falsehood that is protected by freedom of speech.
In an 8-3 ruling, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the now-repealed law against wearing unearned military decorations was a ban on a type of “symbolic speech.” Although the government can forbid falsehoods that cause tangible harm, like fraud or perjury, the Constitution restricts government regulation of expression based solely on its content, the court said.
“Suppressing a symbolic communication threatens the same First Amendment harm as suppressing a written communication,” Judge Sandra Ikuta said in the majority opinion. “Wearing a medal has no purpose other than to communicate a message.”

[FONT=Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, serif]Court: Wearing unearned military medal is protected by Constitution[/FONT]

Is it illegal to wear a military uniform if you are not in the military? Or a cop uniform? I am guessing but I would think it definitely is?

If so, for me that is reason enough not to allow military awards as well. I might let a terrorist into an even simply because I wanted to honor his "purple heart" he earned in Iraq.

It is not illegal to wear a military uniforms. They are available to the public. BDUs make great work clothes. The don't wear out, rip, or tear easily.

Thanks for informing me. Fabric, great idea. But surely, no one is stupid enough to put on the full regalia of a military uniform, etc. and walk around acting as though that is who they are or were? I guess I have heard of a few lunatics like that.

But even a policeman or highway patrol uniform? Who would dare try to get away with that?

guess you haven't seen those jokers in oregon

 

[Blackrook]

We should all be pleased that the courts have a very wide definition of what is free speech protected by the First Amendment.

That is not going to last. When the generation that is now in college takes over the courts, free speech will be eliminated.

 

[CremeBrulee]

Many of the military clothing items sold at thrift shops and Army Navy stores still have the rank and insignia on them. I don't see a problem with wearing it or even the medals, as long you aren't pretending to be something you're not.

I guess you are right. But I would like to know what kind of person would wear a full military uniform along with medals and patches in public? For what reason or what is their objective? That is, unless they are pretending to be someone they are not. I can see a junior outfit for young boys to play in the yard, but an adult?

Fashion. Check out some of the clothes the Beatles sported. I wouldn't accuse them or Jimi Hendrix or anyone else for that matter just for wearing it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's BS. If you never served you have no business wearing the medals

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's BS. If you never served you have no business wearing the medals

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

 

[dannyboys]

The Stolen Valor Act is still enforceable if the person wearing such medals so much as gets a discount on a cup of coffee. Mostly the Stolen Valor game is played to receive more significant benefits such as travel upgrades and discounts at retail outlets. The travel upgrades are particularly disturbing because genuine active duty personnel and veterans are prevented from getting the benefit because it is being used by a fake, i.e., a fake may be taking an upgraded 1rst class seat instead of an active service member returning home from deployment.

Only problem here I see is how many discounts on his coffee & underwear, or given front row seats before he gets caught?

Fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!
There are thousands of human scum who claim to be former Navy Seals on job applications!!!!!!!
THAT is lying! to get an advantage over other applicants.
God help me if I ever come across the fucking stolen valor asshole. GOD HELP THEM!!!!!!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

There are few things lower than doing this and Stolen Valor. If you never walked the walk do NOT pretend you have.

Court: Wearing unearned military medal is protected by Constitution

SAN FRANCISCO (Tribune News Service) — A federal law that prohibited people from wearing military medals they didn’t earn is unconstitutional for the same reason as a law that made it a crime to lie about earning a medal, a federal appeals court ruled Monday: It’s a falsehood that is protected by freedom of speech.
In an 8-3 ruling, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said the now-repealed law against wearing unearned military decorations was a ban on a type of “symbolic speech.” Although the government can forbid falsehoods that cause tangible harm, like fraud or perjury, the Constitution restricts government regulation of expression based solely on its content, the court said.
“Suppressing a symbolic communication threatens the same First Amendment harm as suppressing a written communication,” Judge Sandra Ikuta said in the majority opinion. “Wearing a medal has no purpose other than to communicate a message.”

[FONT=Georgia, Times, Times New Roman, serif]Court: Wearing unearned military medal is protected by Constitution[/FONT]

Is it illegal to wear a military uniform if you are not in the military? Or a cop uniform? I am guessing but I would think it definitely is?

If so, for me that is reason enough not to allow military awards as well. I might let a terrorist into an even simply because I wanted to honor his "purple heart" he earned in Iraq.

It is not illegal to wear a military uniforms. They are available to the public. BDUs make great work clothes. The don't wear out, rip, or tear easily.

Thanks for informing me. Fabric, great idea. But surely, no one is stupid enough to put on the full regalia of a military uniform, etc. and walk around acting as though that is who they are or were? I guess I have heard of a few lunatics like that.

But even a policeman or highway patrol uniform? Who would dare try to get away with that?

guess you haven't seen those jokers in oregon

I have little interest in what is going on in Oregon, it's you daffy left loons losing your minds over it....but were OK with Baltimore and Ferguson

 

[Skylar]

We should all be pleased that the courts have a very wide definition of what is free speech protected by the First Amendment.

That is not going to last. When the generation that is now in college takes over the courts, free speech will be eliminated.

I don't think so.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's BS. If you never served you have no business wearing the medals

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

And nobody has disagreed with that, but again, it doesn't mean that someone who does deserves to be locked up the same way we do to real criminals, right?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!
There are thousands of human scum who claim to be former Navy Seals on job applications!!!!!!!
THAT is lying! to get an advantage over other applicants.
God help me if I ever come across the fucking stolen valor asshole. GOD HELP THEM!!!!!!

You'll do absolutely nothing so STFU

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's BS. If you never served you have no business wearing the medals

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

And nobody has disagreed with that, but again, it doesn't mean that someone who does deserves to be locked up the same way we do to real criminals, right?

If there is a law that stated it was against the law to do it then yes if you broke that law you should be punished. A law is a law, you may not think it fair or just but none the less it is law. I don't like more than a few laws but I obey them because I realize if I break them I stand a very good chance of being punished for doing so

 

[Skylar]

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

And nobody has disagreed with that, but again, it doesn't mean that someone who does deserves to be locked up the same way we do to real criminals, right?

If there is a law that stated it was against the law to do it then yes if you broke that law you should be punished. A law is a law, you may not think it fair or just but none the less it is law. I don't like more than a few laws but I obey them because I realize if I break them I stand a very good chance of being punished for doing so

If the law is unreasonable or in conflict with the constitution, the greater law of the constitution prevails.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Agreed, but that doesn't mean it should be a crime.

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

And nobody has disagreed with that, but again, it doesn't mean that someone who does deserves to be locked up the same way we do to real criminals, right?

If there is a law that stated it was against the law to do it then yes if you broke that law you should be punished. A law is a law, you may not think it fair or just but none the less it is law. I don't like more than a few laws but I obey them because I realize if I break them I stand a very good chance of being punished for doing so

So should we all get the death penalty for every infraction?

 

[guno]

who the hell wears medals? all my campaign ribbons are in a box as my late fathers medals from WWII , who the hell parades around wearing medals?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Fucking BULLSHIT!!!!!!
There are thousands of human scum who claim to be former Navy Seals on job applications!!!!!!!
THAT is lying! to get an advantage over other applicants.
God help me if I ever come across the fucking stolen valor asshole. GOD HELP THEM!!!!!!

You'll do absolutely nothing so STFU

We'll have to disagree, my father earned his and for someone to do this is like spitting in his face and on his service

So they should be treated the same as a rapist or murderer? Your argument is based on emotion, not merit or logic.

I don't have an "argument" I have an opinion. If you never served then don't do it. It's a slap in the face of those that did serve with honor.

And nobody has disagreed with that, but again, it doesn't mean that someone who does deserves to be locked up the same way we do to real criminals, right?

If there is a law that stated it was against the law to do it then yes if you broke that law you should be punished. A law is a law, you may not think it fair or just but none the less it is law. I don't like more than a few laws but I obey them because I realize if I break them I stand a very good chance of being punished for doing so

So should we all get the death penalty for every infraction?

WTF are you blabbering about? Nobody but you is calling for the death penalty. Good grief.....

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

The court made the correct ruling.

The court made a bullshit ruling. Unauthorized wear of the uniform and awards is fraud. It's no different than impersonating a police officer.

 

[Skylar]

The court made the correct ruling.

The court made a bullshit ruling. Unauthorized wear of the uniform and awards is fraud. It's no different than impersonating a police officer.

Its hugely different. Faking receiving a purple heart 50 years ago doesn't infer the possession of any law enforcement powers. Pretending to be a police officer does.