Wealthy Socialists vs. Poor Libertarians

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    Which do you think there are more of in the US, wealthy people who support more socialist policies or poor people that support libertarian ideals (i.e. elimination/minimization of welfare, public education and other social programs)?

    Or is it the same... zero?
     
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    I think its about even.

    People are equally self-destructive, no matter what the income. I think there are plenty of rich people willing to vote themselves into higher taxes, just as there are plenty of poor folks willing to bite any hand that reaches out to help.
     
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    I say poor libertarians.

    It is easier to be an anarchist at the bottom of the totem pole than a compassionate savior at the top. Even the Buddha had problems with this.
     
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    Libertarianism does not equal Anarchism.
     
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    I think you're missing the point. Wealthy Socialists want to solve a problem with a government program. That's a far easier way to assuage your guilt than actually doing anything about it.

    On the other hand poor libertarians get to feel smug about denying public help. They get that feeling of "I'm poor but at least I'm not a welfare queen." That's a powerful emotion, a kind of Schadenfreude that really makes people feel better.

    That's why I think that in reality, the numbers are probably even.
     
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    Let see
    Libertarians want few laws, few regulations
    Anarchists want no laws and no regulations

    Since none is not many, we can claim it is an exact number under the category of few. Thus libertarianiism incorporates Anarchism to some degree.

    No--not equal, but incorporates.

    Now for the issue about Wealthy socialists. They are like wealthy Capitalists with the misconception about their public image. They think they can improve it(haha!!)

    See Michael Moore. Fat sloppy lying socialists or egalitarain free thinker for the common man?


    The first is what the public thinks the latter is what Michael Moore is trying to accomplish!!
     
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    Doesn't make sense to me to that many poor would want to screw with the system that provides the handouts.
     
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    It is easier to think of a low income libertarian


    For instance, some farmers make little money and can be considered poor yet provide for themselves. The last thing they would want is some federal agent coming in and telling them what to do.


    But wealthy Socialists? I keep picturing Michael Moore, George Soros or Al Gore and I am starting to think that mainfold is a right wing propagandists!
     
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    I take it you don't know many poor people? There's a definite divide between those that take the handouts and those that choose to make it on their own.
     
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    Anarchism would mean the abolition of the government. Not all libertarians want the abolition of government, therefore not all libertarians are anarchists. And it's not true that all anarchists want no laws.

    As to the point of the thread, I would say there are more wealthy socialists because there are probably more socialists than there are libertarians.
     

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