We Wouldn't Be In This Mess With Iran If

[Pogo]

This "mess" was created by Iran. Not Carter, not Trump, not any American president.
Some of them have handled it wrong but it wasn't started by them.

We stuck our nose in and denied them the right to handle their own affairs as a nation in the 1950's. It caused a poor attitude toward us. I realize it was a long time ago, but it seems we are doing it again. The Ayatollah is a nutcase and man, oh man, would I like to be a fly on the wall if Trump gets the meeting with him that he has supposedly requested. Talk about legendary. Two nuts spraying spit at each other.

Good show. It's not hard to tell around here which of us reads history for context and which run in to be blogparrots.

So, let me get this straight...

Our relations today with Iran and their nutball religious ruling class, given our alliance with Israel, would be much better today, had we not taken a side that one time in the 1950s.

And you believe that?

The nutball religious element was already suppressed with Mosaddegh. We undid that and installed a dick-tator. Guess what reaction countries have under dick-tators. Guess who fills the vacuum when they get chased.

Go look at my thread on Guatemala to see where they did the same thing. Oh wait, you can't do that, as the site has "disappeared" it. Wonder why.

As I said in the post quoted --- you can tell who reads historical context and who doesn't. The latter generally have no deeper argument than "and you believe that?".

Whatever the fuck. This post will soon be "disappeared" as well, so FUCK IT.

 

[miketx]

First off, if Jimmy The Peanut had never been president, Iran wouldn't have had the balls to attack and occupy our Embassy.

You can believe what you will, but that is fact. The coward Ford wasn't much better, but anybody with a pulse would have been better than that walking cadaver

Remind us again how many wars Carter got involved in. Three? Two? One? Keep going, you're almost there.

Oh and he got those hostages back without firing a shot. Some days it just sucks to be a warmonger.

You're right, all Carter did was crash the rescue crafts into each other and get most all the troops involved killed. I'll take Trump over that any day coward. And liar, The hostages were released when Reagan was sworn in, no doubt due to his public threats the the iranian towel heads. Reagan would have crushed them. Sucks to be a liar like you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The nutball religious element was already suppressed with Mosaddegh.

They were oppressed somewhat, but that emboldened them. They were the more powerful party, merely supressed by some military force. That capability did not diminish with our meddling. It simply passed its capabilities and expiration date. To blame the US for the attitude and actions of the Iranian religious extremists is ridiculous. Note that they siezed power 40 years ago, but have merely continued their ways and even have gotten worse. Gee, someone tell them they won, so they can stop being forced by us to act that way, now....

 

[Likkmee]

Whatever happened to that Ackmudd Imaneedinajob guy. He was cool to watch

Ahmadinejad's claim that Chávez will be resurrected with Jesus 'went too far'

 

[Penelope]

The CIA performs a military coup in Iran in 1953 & sets up the SAVAK, to terrorize Iranian citizens
1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

The US Navy shoots down an Iranian airliner in 1988 killing 290 people on board the plane
Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia

The US surrounds Iran with nearly four dozen military bases
US Encircles Iran with 45 Bases, But Is Concerned With Iran's Activities in Syria - American Herald Tribune

The US & the P5+1 agree to the JCPOA: In 2018 POTUS Trump unilaterally withdraws from the agreement.
Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action - Wikipedia


Let's just say, for the sake of debate, that Iran did all of the above things to the US. Would the US have any reason to trust Iran?

It is members that post such OPs that are being dishonest about the real aggressor.

Iran does not, and never will, have ANY REASON WHATSOEVER to have any trust in the US; period.

Talk about the real "aggressor"?! Who is the largest sponsor of terrorism in the world? I don't want Iran's trust, I want Iran's behavior.

What Saudi Arabia and Israel tell us its no other than Iran. They also has a problem with Iraq and Syria.

 

[Edgetho]

Here's the scum that dimocrap FILTH are sticking up for --

Atefeh Sahaaleh - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia

She was 16.

She was mentally challenged.

She was raped and tortured for 3 years by an ex-IRGC

Want some more, dimocrap scum?

Especially you disgusting excuses for 'females'? Have ANY clue how Iranians treat their women? Of course you do, you just don't care.

Why?

Because you're scum.

Atefeh Rajabi, aged 16, who was hanged for being raped by an Islamist Republican guard.



Taraneh Mousavi, 19 aged, was raped and sodimized.



Neda Aghasoltan, 26, was shot death on the street of Tehran.



Dina Parnabi who was hanged, her body stripped, washed and delivered for dissection at medical school.



Few other lives, sacrificed at the alter of the Iranian Jihad savagery are: (1) 23-year-old Roya Ishraqi, a promising veterinary student, executed with her 50 year old mother, Izzad Janami Ishraqi; (2) 20-year-old Akhtar Sabit, a graduate nurse; (3) 28-year-old Mahshid Nirumand, a physics graduate from the University of Shiraz; (4) Shirin Dalvand, 25; (5) Tahirih Siyavushi, a 32 year old nurse; (6) 20-year-old Simin Sabiri; (7) Zarrin Muqimi, and (8) the oldest, 54-year-old Mrs Nosrat Yalda'I.

You people, you dimocrap FILTH are truly the scum of the Earth.

You'll get seriously worked up over a feckless claim that Trump grabbed some girls' mish but, let people actually murder them? Murder and rape them? Sodomize and dissect them?

You're nowhere to be found, hiding under your sofa.

I despise dimocraps.

I really do.

Keep on sticking up for the scumbags in Iran and, when they come for you, I hope to God I'm there to watch.

And laugh

 

[Penelope]

This "mess" was created by Iran. Not Carter, not Trump, not any American president.
Some of them have handled it wrong but it wasn't started by them.

We stuck our nose in and denied them the right to handle their own affairs as a nation in the 1950's. It caused a poor attitude toward us. I realize it was a long time ago, but it seems we are doing it again. The Ayatollah is a nutcase and man, oh man, would I like to be a fly on the wall if Trump gets the meeting with him that he has supposedly requested. Talk about legendary. Two nuts spraying spit at each other.

.....I totally agree --the US has put it's nose in too many places too many times...but the big problem was caused when Iran committed an act of war by invading our embassy ....punk college kids/etc caused the problem

Is that why we are now trying our bestest to dethrone the shah?

we are?
.....anyway, things would not be so bad now if the dumbass college punks weren't allowed to commit an act of war
...they played around and held America HOSTAGE for over a year

I trace it back to the overthrow of the Shah. Student demos in Paris and all that.

Things have not been right since.

Well the MEK is no longer a terrorist group since 2012, and Bolton and Giuliano are close to the leader.
People's Mujahedin of Iran - Wikipedia

 

[Diver Diva]

The smackdown is coming. The mullahs aren't going to stop provoking, because their economy is in shambles and they have nothing to lose. It's only a matter of time until they escalate again. Our President knows this and wisely held off this time, so that when he does pull the trigger nobody can accuse him of being reckless.

 

[Terri4Trump]

First off, if Jimmy The Peanut had never been president, Iran wouldn't have had the balls to attack and occupy our Embassy. You can believe what you will, but that is fact.

Correct. When they attacked our embassy in 1979, that was the time for wiping them out. Ever since then they have done nothing but be a menace, murderers, and the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

Second, and more recently, we've got THE worst president in human history that completely abrogated his responsibilities as POTUS during Iran's Green revolution.

You mean the Kenyan socialist pig Obama of course. Yes, he is the reason for this mess today. He gave them plane-loads of money and kissed the arse of the Islamo-Fascist mullahs. Obama was always a friend to our enemies and an enemy to our friends. Thank God that Trump came in a reversed all of that.

 

[Edgetho]

You're right, all Carter did was crash the rescue crafts into each other and get most all the troops involved killed. I'll take Trump over that any day coward. And liar, The hostages were released when Reagan was sworn in, no doubt due to his public threats the the iranian towel heads. Reagan would have crushed them. Sucks to be a liar like you.

The VERY DAY Reagan was sworn in.

Tells you something, huh?

That, dimocraps are not just scum, they're fucking cowards.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You'll get seriously worked up over a feckless claim that Trump grabbed some girls' mish but, let

What a fucking stupid talkong point.

Lets review:

Trump hasn't killed a woman, so, nothing to see ,here...

 

[Penelope]

The People's Mujahedeen of Iran, more commonly known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq or MEK, is a controversial Iranian resistance group; it was once listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States for its alleged killing of U.S. personnel in Iran during the 1970s, and for its ties to former Iraqi ...Jul 28, 2014
Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK) | Council on Foreign Relations

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/mujahadeen-e-khalq-mek

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The People's Mujahedeen of Iran, more commonly known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq or MEK, is a controversial Iranian resistance group; it was once listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the United States for its alleged killing of U.S. personnel in Iran during the 1970s, and for its ties to former Iraqi ...Jul 28, 2014
Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK) | Council on Foreign Relations

Mujahadeen-e-Khalq (MEK)

Ah yes,the MEK...their platform, distilled down, is that their version of islamic extremism is slightly better than that of the ruling mullahs...

Maybe we will get lucky, and they will all kill each other.

 

[Penelope]

First off, if Jimmy The Peanut had never been president, Iran wouldn't have had the balls to attack and occupy our Embassy. You can believe what you will, but that is fact.

Correct. When they attacked our embassy in 1979, that was the time for wiping them out. Ever since then they have done nothing but be a menace, murderers, and the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world.

Second, and more recently, we've got THE worst president in human history that completely abrogated his responsibilities as POTUS during Iran's Green revolution.

You mean the Kenyan socialist pig Obama of course. Yes, he is the reason for this mess today. He gave them plane-loads of money and kissed the arse of the Islamo-Fascist mullahs. Obama was always a friend to our enemies and an enemy to our friends. Thank God that Trump came in a reversed all of that.

Terri for Tramp. This is the leader of the MEK who John Bolton and Rudy Galliano have been paid to give speeches to. They are close to the leader.
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Rajavi has stated that her political activism started when she was twenty-two after her sister Narges was killed by Shah Mohammad Reza's secret police.[8] Then she became a member of the People's Mojahedin of Iran (PMOI/MEK), and began her political career. She was inducted by Massoud Rajavi, into his command structure, as part of the Operation Eternal Light, which had more women than men, justifying it as a constitutional revolution.[10]

Rajavi served as an organizer of the anti-Shah student movement in the 1970s. In 1979, she became an official of the social section of the PMOI/MEK, where she served until 1981. Rajavi was a parliamentary candidate in 1980.[11][better source needed] In 1985, she became Joint-Leader of the PMOI and served as the Secretary General between 1989 and 1993.

 

[Pogo]

You're right, all Carter did was crash the rescue crafts into each other and get most all the troops involved killed. I'll take Trump over that any day coward. And liar, The hostages were released when Reagan was sworn in, no doubt due to his public threats the the iranian towel heads. Reagan would have crushed them. Sucks to be a liar like you.

The VERY DAY Reagan was sworn in.

Tells you something, huh?

That, dimocraps are not just scum, they're fucking cowards.

See what I mean about historical dilettantes with no clue in the world how the world works?

You think shit like this happens on the spur of the moment? As if somebody goes "AIEE! AMERICANS ARE INSTALLING BAD MOVIE ACTOR, WE MUST CAPITULATE!!"

Fucking dumbass. That negotiation went on for months, Carter was said to be "obsessed" with getting it done, and Warren Christopher did it. Go look up the Algiers Accords, Dumbass. The return happened as soon as feasible --- it would have been the previous day January 19 but Iran and Iraq were in a war then and nothing flew out of Tehran in the dark.

So whence do you get this ignoramitude impression that Reagan had something to do with it? From those TV juxtapositions of Reagan getting sworn in and the plane leaving Iran airspace, implying (but NEVER SAYING) that they had something to do with each other. They did that because drama sells, especially to those not paying attention. That's your "waaah liburrul media" at work, the way it really works.

No friggin' CLUE how the world works. Just like the Dullass Brothers.

 

[Edgetho]

You'll get seriously worked up over a feckless claim that Trump grabbed some girls' mish but, let

What a fucking stupid talkong point.

Lets review:

Trump hasn't killed a woman, so, nothing to see ,here...

Here's your friends.

http://www.ishr.org/index.php?id=857

Preparation for stoning a woman in Iran

Bet you'd like to take part in that, huh??

Make you feel like a real man, huh??

dimocraps are scum

 

[Edgetho]

See what I mean about historical dilettantes with no clue in the world how the world works?

You think shit like this happens on the spur of the moment? As if somebody goes "AIEE! AMERICANS ARE INSTALLING BAD MOVIE ACTOR, WE MUST CAPITULATE!!"

Fucking dumbass. That negotiation went on for months, Carter was said to be "obsessed" with getting it done, and Warren Christopher did it. Go look up the Algiers Accords, Dumbass. The return happened as soon as feasible --- it would have been the previous day January 19 but Iran and Iraq were in a war then and nothing flew out of Tehran in the dark.

So whence do you get this ignoramitude impression that Reagan had something to do with it? From those TV juxtapositions of Reagan getting sworn in and the plane leaving Iran airspace, implying (but NEVER SAYING) that they had something to do with each other. They did that because drama sells, especially to those not paying attention. That's your "waaah liburrul media" at work, the way it really works.

No friggin' CLUE how the world works. Just like the Dullass Brothers.

You can talk out your ass til the cows come home, scumbag.

But here's the FACT......

The hostages were released the VERY DAY Reagan was sworn in.

NOT while the total and complete piece of fucking SHIT carter was still infecting the position of president.

Only a complete and utter fuckwad like you would think that was a coincidence.

There ARE no coincidences with those people.

 

[whitehall]

JFK illegally raised and trained an invasion army and abandoned them at the Bay of Pigs. Jimmy Carter played around with the Hostage situation and finally managed to get Americans killed in a raid where everything went wrong. George Bush went further, faster, took more real estate with less casualties than any other operation of it's kind. Which military adventure do lefties hate and make fun of?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You'll get seriously worked up over a feckless claim that Trump grabbed some girls' mish but, let

What a fucking stupid talkong point.

Lets review:

Trump hasn't killed a woman, so, nothing to see ,here...

Here's your friends.

http://www.ishr.org/index.php?id=857

Preparation for stoning a woman in Iran

Bet you'd like to part in that, huh??

Make you feel like a real man, huh??

dimocraps are scum

What, dumbfuvk? My friends? Huh? What the fuck are you talking about, dumbass? I said nothing in support of those people. You are some kind of idiot.

 

[Marion Morrison]

First off, if Jimmy The Peanut had never been president, Iran wouldn't have had the balls to attack and occupy our Embassy.

You can believe what you will, but that is fact. The coward Ford wasn't much better, but anybody with a pulse would have been better than that walking cadaver

Second, and more recently, we've got THE worst president in human history that completely abrogated his responsibilities as POTUS during Iran's Green revolution.

This piece of garbage goes around the MidEast talking shit about an 'Arab Spring' giving the people in that area false hope and then -- Like the cowardly dimocrap he is (and they all are) runs away when the time to act is upon him.

obama was, and still is, a craven coward. You just don't trust a craven coward. Especially a dimocrap craven coward. But.... That's just about all of them.

You ought to read this. It is not the last word on the subject, but it is somewhere to start for those few who are interested.

Why Obama Let Iran's Green Revolution Fail
The president wanted a nuclear deal, not regime change.

One of the great hypotheticals of Barack Obama's presidency involves the Iranian uprising that began on June 12, 2009, after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was announced the winner of contested presidential elections. What if the president had done more to help the protesters when the regime appeared to be teetering?

Me: What hypotheticals? dimocraps aren't even aware of the Green Revolution. It's down the memory hole. A failing by a dimocrap scum president that shall not be talked about. These scum don't talk about anything not presented to them by the media.



It's well known he was slow to react. Obama publicly downplayed the prospect of real change at first, saying the candidates whom hundreds of thousands of Iranians were risking their lives to support did not represent fundamental change. When he finally did speak out, he couldn't bring himself to say the election was stolen: "The world is watching and inspired by their participation, regardless of what the ultimate outcome of the election was."



But Obama wasn't just reluctant to show solidarity in 2009, he feared the demonstrations would sabotage his secret outreach to Iran. In his new book, "The Iran Wars," Wall Street Journal reporter Jay Solomon uncovers new details on how far Obama went to avoid helping Iran's green movement. Behind the scenes, Obama overruled advisers who wanted to do what America had done at similar transitions from dictatorship to democracy, and signal America's support.



Solomon reports that Obama ordered the CIA to sever contacts it had with the green movement's supporters. "The Agency has contingency plans for supporting democratic uprisings anywhere in the world. This includes providing dissidents with communications, money, and in extreme cases even arms," Solomon writes. "But in this case the White House ordered it to stand down."

more at the link

This is why you just don't give power to dimocrap scum, people. They screw up everything they touch. Look what The Rapist did by not allowing our people to take out Usama bin Floatin'

Pretty convenient you have sidestepped the bullshit by the CURRENT president, though, huh?
Can't bring yourself to talk about what he's up to at the moment, can you?

Have you forgotten the 70s?