We use to teach our children

[peach174]

and what's your point? political cartoons are one thing, political propaganda is another.

why should this cartoon be taken seriously? because it's old? because xenophobes agree with it? what is it that makes this cartoon a respectable source?

Xenophobes? Really?

And what part of it is 'propaganda'? Be specific, please...

the part from 0:00 - pretty much the end. that's the propaganda part.

as for the xenophobes, yes, believing that everyone should drop their ethnic identity an conform to an idea of what is and is not 'american' is xenophobic.

No one in this country has ever dropped their ethnic identity. This is why we are called a melting pot. We have always had our customs from all walks of life.
Using race against one another is entirely different. This is what the cartoon is talking about. Black against White. Hispanics against White. Rich against poor.

 

[Immanuel]

Bullshit.

Any of my kids would run circles around you in a discussion about freedom and our Constitution. And two of them are not that into Social Science as subject matter. They have all been educated in Florida public schools.

And.....the idea that public school curricula have been altered since president Obama took office is ridiculous.

If you are talking to me, I said nothing about things being altered since Obama took office. Obviously the indoctrination would have had to of manifested itself at least 18 years ago.

The way people write on this site makes it obvious they think governmental control of all things is a utopian way of life and the idea of striving for success is barbaric at best.

Immie

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bullshit.

Any of my kids would run circles around you in a discussion about freedom and our Constitution. And two of them are not that into Social Science as subject matter. They have all been educated in Florida public schools.

And.....the idea that public school curricula have been altered since president Obama took office is ridiculous.

If you are talking to me, I said nothing about things being altered since Obama took office. Obviously the indoctrination would have had to of manifested itself at least 18 years ago.

The way people write on this site makes it obvious they think governmental control of all things is a utopian way of life and the idea of striving for success is barbaric at best.

Immie

Nope. Not talking to you.

 

[peach174]

too

obvious semi-literate is obvious

irony abounds

Just wait till you get older and have some arthritis in your fingers.
Some day's it's OK, some days it's not.
Today, is one that it is not.

Bullshit. Just admit your failings.

If it were true, then it would be there in every single post that I type all the time. Like Truth Matters posts.

 

[eflatminor]

and what's your point? political cartoons are one thing, political propaganda is another.

why should this cartoon be taken seriously? because it's old? because xenophobes agree with it? what is it that makes this cartoon a respectable source?

Hey, it was you that suggested no cartoon can be taken seriously. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.

As to why this cartoon should be taken seriously, I suggest it should because it rings true. Unless of course you have a better suggestion than freedom?

yes.

Then by all means, enlighten us.

you agree with the propaganda - but that's all that it is.

Please describe with specificity exactly what in the cartoon is propaganda and why.

so what salient point do you think it makes?

That the notion of individual freedom, personal property, free markets and limited government produce the best outcome for all citizens compared to anything the central planners are selling.

 

[B. Kidd]

Teaching = instilling objective facts enabling a child to develop and reach their own conclusions.

Indoctrination = instilling subjective revisions' enabling a child to parrot back.

When the vast majority of educators are liberal, it is easy to figure out which of the above two is occurring.

 

[RosieS]

Bullshit.

Any of my kids would run circles around you in a discussion about freedom and our Constitution. And two of them are not that into Social Science as subject matter. They have all been educated in Florida public schools.

And.....the idea that public school curricula have been altered since president Obama took office is ridiculous.

If you are talking to me, I said nothing about things being altered since Obama took office. Obviously the indoctrination would have had to of manifested itself at least 18 years ago.

The way people write on this site makes it obvious they think governmental control of all things is a utopian way of life and the idea of striving for success is barbaric at best.

Immie

Boy is THAT bass-ackwards. The indoctrination happened in the Reagan era and before. From the end of the Soviet bloc the indoctrination fell apart since there was no Evil Empire to rail against.

The times of students thinking and talking and writing in lockstep about Americanism is long gone. Good riddance to that.

Regards from Rosie

 

[eflatminor]

and what's your point? political cartoons are one thing, political propaganda is another.

why should this cartoon be taken seriously? because it's old? because xenophobes agree with it? what is it that makes this cartoon a respectable source?

Hey, it was you that suggested no cartoon can be taken seriously. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.

As to why this cartoon should be taken seriously, I suggest it should because it rings true. Unless of course you have a better suggestion than freedom?

Freedom from indoctrination? No.....I can't improve upon that.

Regards from Rosie

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

 

[RosieS]

Hey, it was you that suggested no cartoon can be taken seriously. I proved you wrong. Deal with it.

As to why this cartoon should be taken seriously, I suggest it should because it rings true. Unless of course you have a better suggestion than freedom?

Freedom from indoctrination? No.....I can't improve upon that.

Regards from Rosie

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

Did you read what you wrote?

If it is true individual freedom it needs no doctrine concerning it. Individual freedom is not a doctrinal subject.

Good example of what I mean about parroting without understanding.

Regards from Rosie

 

[GuyPinestra]

and what's your point? political cartoons are one thing, political propaganda is another.

why should this cartoon be taken seriously? because it's old? because xenophobes agree with it? what is it that makes this cartoon a respectable source?

Xenophobes? Really?

And what part of it is 'propaganda'? Be specific, please...

the part from 0:00 - pretty much the end. that's the propaganda part.

as for the xenophobes, yes, believing that everyone should drop their ethnic identity an conform to an idea of what is and is not 'american' is xenophobic.

So truth is propaganda and a cohesive American identity is xenophobic.

Got it, Comrade....

 

[peach174]

Freedom from indoctrination? No.....I can't improve upon that.

Regards from Rosie

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

Did you read what you wrote?

If it is true individual freedom it needs no doctrine concerning it. Individual freedom is not a doctrinal subject.

Good example of what I mean about parroting without understanding.

Regards from Rosie

Our entire Constitution is all about individual freedom Rosie

 

[RosieS]

Teaching = instilling objective facts enabling a child to develop and reach their own conclusions.

Indoctrination = instilling subjective revisions' enabling a child to parrot back.

When the vast majority of educators are liberal, it is easy to figure out which of the above two is occurring.

Teaching = guiding students toward becoming life long effective self-teachers as a productive, enjoyable, healthy and responsible activity.

Indoctrination = instilling a pre-determined set of facts to be vomited up on a test and mostly forgotten thereafter.

Regards from Rosie

 

[Immanuel]

Bullshit.

Any of my kids would run circles around you in a discussion about freedom and our Constitution. And two of them are not that into Social Science as subject matter. They have all been educated in Florida public schools.

And.....the idea that public school curricula have been altered since president Obama took office is ridiculous.

If you are talking to me, I said nothing about things being altered since Obama took office. Obviously the indoctrination would have had to of manifested itself at least 18 years ago.

The way people write on this site makes it obvious they think governmental control of all things is a utopian way of life and the idea of striving for success is barbaric at best.

Immie

Boy is THAT bass-ackwards. The indoctrination happened in the Reagan era and before. From the end of the Soviet bloc the indoctrination fell apart since there was no Evil Empire to rail against.

The times of students thinking and talking and writing in lockstep about Americanism is long gone. Good riddance to that.

Regards from Rosie

Ah yes... In the words of Rosie socialism is good and freedom is bad.

American Capitalism bad Soviet style Communism good.

Freedom to strive to be the best you can be bad. Being a governmental drone good.

Thank you Rosie

Immie

 

[eflatminor]

Freedom from indoctrination? No.....I can't improve upon that.

Regards from Rosie

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

Did you read what you wrote?

If it is true individual freedom it needs no doctrine concerning it. Individual freedom is not a doctrinal subject.

Good example of what I mean about parroting without understanding.

Regards from Rosie

Individual freedom needs no doctrine? Hmm...I suspect those that wrote the Constitution would disagree. But again, I'm sure you know best.

 

[g5000]

This line caught my attention:

"When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against the other, through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives."

True in 1959, true today.

Which is why we need to keep our eye on Muslims and fags and tax the rich more.

.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

 

[OKTexas]

Bullshit.

Any of my kids would run circles around you in a discussion about freedom and our Constitution. And two of them are not that into Social Science as subject matter. They have all been educated in Florida public schools.

And.....the idea that public school curricula have been altered since president Obama took office is ridiculous.

If you are talking to me, I said nothing about things being altered since Obama took office. Obviously the indoctrination would have had to of manifested itself at least 18 years ago.

The way people write on this site makes it obvious they think governmental control of all things is a utopian way of life and the idea of striving for success is barbaric at best.

Immie

Boy is THAT bass-ackwards. The indoctrination happened in the Reagan era and before. From the end of the Soviet bloc the indoctrination fell apart since there was no Evil Empire to rail against.

The times of students thinking and talking and writing in lockstep about Americanism is long gone. Good riddance to that.

Regards from Rosie

MMMM, MMMM, MMMM, Barack Hussein Maobama, tell me again who's not being indoctrinated.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did you read what you wrote?

If it is true individual freedom it needs no doctrine concerning it. Individual freedom is not a doctrinal subject.

Good example of what I mean about parroting without understanding.

Regards from Rosie

Is "true individual freedom" only found through unwavering obedience to the state and our beloved Dear Leader Obama?

True freedom through never questioning the orders our ruler gives.

 

[g5000]

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

One of my favorite movies.

I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

.

 

[RosieS]

If you stand against the doctrine of individual freedom, you're free to suggest a better alternative.

Did you read what you wrote?

If it is true individual freedom it needs no doctrine concerning it. Individual freedom is not a doctrinal subject.

Good example of what I mean about parroting without understanding.

Regards from Rosie

Our entire Constitution is all about individual freedom Rosie

And for that reason it is necessary for each generation to apply Constitutional principles to the lives and times of their world.

To insist that the Constitution is one-size-fits-all and the way it used to be is the only good way puts our progeny into an ideological and doctrinal straitjacket.

That is the opposite of individual freedom.

Regards from Rosie