We need Crossfire back on TV, a real debate, not just endless talking points and propaganda. (Poll)

Would you like to see a nightly debate between Rs & Ds with real time fact checking?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • No

    Votes: 3 30.0%

  • Total voters
    10
Let's start where we normally were with "traditional family values".
Which may or may not be based on religious beliefs.

The government can impose and does impose them on others, such as
no polygamy allowed
no sex with kids
no drag shows in schools
no LGBTQ books in schools
no looking at naked kids online
The public consents to those.

"Equal Justice for All" is a faith based beliefs, since Justice is faith based, never been proven to exist scientifically or legally, yet the public consents to this.

We consent to use the same calendar system, and to use the days of the week and months of the year that contain references to names of Greek gods.

So if the public consents, there is not anyone arguing against an establishment of religious or faith based biased.

However, in matters of beliefs about social marriage relations, both left and right disagree, so the state policy should remain neutral and only have "civil unions" or "domestic partnership" contracts for custody or estates/financial or legal guardianship agreements, absent any references to social or sexual relations which is separate.

It can still be illegal to have sexual relations with any person unable to give consent. (Currently even that law isn't equally enforced in cases of rape of unconscious persons where victims are still partially blamed for getting drunk which blurs the line when consent was violated.)

With LGBT bathroom policies, the neutral position is to have single stall "unisex" restrooms so that nobody's rights, security or beliefs are violated or forced to change.

With school prayer, Texas set up a neutral "moment of silence" so that this didn't violate anyone's beliefs and people don't have to participate but have the option to pray.

As long as people consent, then it isn't counted as the govt forcing either prohibition or establishment of religion.

It's when someone dissents and sues the govt, then the policy can be amended to accommodate instead of exclude or discriminate.

But the changes also cannot introduce another bias that causes another consequence that violates the same clause, such as not trying to impose LGBT policies as protections that impose on people of other beliefs and end up violating the same standards of equal protection of expression/beliefs without discrimination by creed.

The ACA mandates went too far.
The LGBT bathroom and sports policies went too far by imposing on others.

The changes to allow same sex marriage went too far by trying to "establish" same sex marriage instead of merely removing bans by the state that were Unconstitutional for imposing beliefs.

Both the policies and bans on CRT and LGBT being taught in schools go too far by either establishing or prohibiting policy on beliefs and expression instead of letting people decide democratically per school and district on their own policies.

Etc

This is why I advocate for setting up representation by party and mediation per school district and party precinct so people can democratically resolve conflicts and decide their own policies locally and it doesn't have to be one policy for an entire city, county, state or the nation where personal beliefs may differ.

The govt/public policy should remain neutral and equally inclusive to accommodate all beliefs, and the people need to decide the highest level of policy where they consent to the same standards and only use govt to enforce that.

As for criminal inability to respect consent of others, that requires counseling therapy and should not be allowed to influence public policy. So not respecting the age of consent of children is an issue of abuse and needs to be resolved as its own issue.

Similar with inability to respect and accommodate political beliefs of others which becomes legal and govt abuse if these conflicts aren't resolved by mediation to agree on a neutral policy.
 
The public consents to those.

"Equal Justice for All" is a faith based beliefs, since Justice is faith based, never been proven to exist scientifically or legally, yet the public consents to this.

We consent to use the same calendar system, and to use the days of the week and months of the year that contain references to names of Greek gods.

So if the public consents, there is not anyone arguing against an establishment of religious or faith based biased.

However, in matters of beliefs about social marriage relations, both left and right disagree, so the state policy should remain neutral and only have "civil unions" or "domestic partnership" contracts for custody or estates/financial or legal guardianship agreements, absent any references to social or sexual relations which is separate.

It can still be illegal to have sexual relations with any person unable to give consent. (Currently even that law isn't equally enforced in cases of rape of unconscious persons where victims are still partially blamed for getting drunk which blurs the line when consent was violated.)

With LGBT bathroom policies, the neutral position is to have single stall "unisex" restrooms so that nobody's rights, security or beliefs are violated or forced to change.

With school prayer, Texas set up a neutral "moment of silence" so that this didn't violate anyone's beliefs and people don't have to participate but have the option to pray.

As long as people consent, then it isn't counted as the govt forcing either prohibition or establishment of religion.

It's when someone dissents and sues the govt, then the policy can be amended to accommodate instead of exclude or discriminate.

But the changes also cannot introduce another bias that causes another consequence that violates the same clause, such as not trying to impose LGBT policies as protections that impose on people of other beliefs and end up violating the same standards of equal protection of expression/beliefs without discrimination by creed.

The ACA mandates went too far.
The LGBT bathroom and sports policies went too far by imposing on others.

The changes to allow same sex marriage went too far by trying to "establish" same sex marriage instead of merely removing bans by the state that were Unconstitutional for imposing beliefs.

Both the policies and bans on CRT and LGBT being taught in schools go too far by either establishing or prohibiting policy on beliefs and expression instead of letting people decide democratically per school and district on their own policies.

Etc

This is why I advocate for setting up representation by party and mediation per school district and party precinct so people can democratically resolve conflicts and decide their own policies locally and it doesn't have to be one policy for an entire city, county, state or the nation where personal beliefs may differ.

The govt/public policy should remain neutral and equally inclusive to accommodate all beliefs, and the people need to decide the highest level of policy where they consent to the same standards and only use govt to enforce that.

As for criminal inability to respect consent of others, that requires counseling therapy and should not be allowed to influence public policy. So not respecting the age of consent of children is an issue of abuse and needs to be resolved as its own issue.

Similar with inability to respect and accommodate political beliefs of others which becomes legal and govt abuse if these conflicts aren't resolved by mediation to agree on a neutral policy.
I think I agree with you. Trying to accommodate both sides within reason.

I draw the line wrt tranny "rights" for males to use female locker rooms, as seen in VA where a male raped two girls.
If trannys want to play sports they play on the team their birth certificate says they play on.
 
I think I agree with you. Trying to accommodate both sides within reason.

I draw the line wrt tranny "rights" for males to use female locker rooms, as seen in VA where a male raped two girls.
If trannys want to play sports they play on the team their birth certificate says they play on.
1. Similar to the "unisex" stalls bypassing the whole argument which isn't govt jurisdiction anyway but people's own personal beliefs, there was work started to create a Unisex category for sports. So Transgender can compete there. It's very telling that nobody has issues with transmales born as biological females wanting to compete against other cismales born male.

Also with harmless cases like very young kids on swim teams or dance contests, I see no problem with letting actual contestants and their guardians vote on including transgender children where they confirm they have no issues with safety or fairness.

2. But the common factor is to stop the bullying between opposing groups or beliefs from.getting politicized. You are free to mouth off all you want by free speech. You can refuse or refrain from associating with groups you don't want to participate with. But it can't be legislated through govt which becomes discriminatory to establish one belief over another.

Some of this is just personal and professional training in democratic process and public policy ethics, regardless if you hate the other person's beliefs which shouldn't be abused to bias public policy in the first place!
 
1. Similar to the "unisex" stalls bypassing the whole argument which isn't govt jurisdiction anyway but people's own personal beliefs, there was work started to create a Unisex category for sports. So Transgender can compete there. It's very telling that nobody has issues with transmales born as biological females wanting to compete against other cismales born male. Also with harmless cases like very young kids on swim teams or dance contests, I see no problem with letting actual contestants and their guardians vote on including transgender children where they confirm they have no issues with safety or fairness.

2. But the common factor is to stop the bullying between opposing groups or beliefs from getting politicized. You are free to mouth off all you want by free speech. You can refuse or refrain from associating with groups you don't want to participate with. But it can't be legislated through govt which becomes discriminatory to establish one belief over another. Some of this is just personal and professional training in democratic process and public policy ethics, regardless if you hate the other person's beliefs which shouldn't be abused to bias public policy in the first place!
1. Men's lavs have urinals AND stalls. There is no reason tranny males shouldn't continue to use the mens lav. As a taxpayer I do NOT want to build unisex lavs so a few trannys have special lavs. In sports, I'd rename "boys" sports "open" to all sexes and trannys and keep "girls" sports only to 100% biological girls. Trannys can compete with the boys. Title-9 should protect girls from trannys.

"During the two years of outreach to stakeholders to develop this proposed rule, the Department heard repeatedly that many schools, students, parents, and coaches face uncertainty about when and how transgender students can participate in school sports, particularly because some states have chosen to adopt new laws and policies on athletics participation that target transgender students. The NPRM, if adopted as a final rule, would provide much needed clarity for students, parents, and coaches."

2. States can and should protect girls sports from trannys. Its not "bullying", its fairness to girls' sports.
 

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