We have a serious spending problem - and it can't be disputed

Except most civilized countries spend more than we do.

I do agree that we borrow too much, but here's the thing. borrowing is easier politically than taxing or cutting spending.

Soooo, spending like a drunken Marine makes me more civilized? :lol:

Borrowing is easy when rates are in the cellar...saving not so much. Perpetual low rates encourage debt and spending and discourage saving and investment. An economy that is dependent on citizens spending at the expense of saving is not sustainable. An economy that is depends on citizens taking on more debt to sustain their spending is a disaster waiting to happen.

I agree, borrowing is bad. Letting the rich impoverish the working class and destroying your tax base is bad.

Sadly, this is what Republicans are about.

Why do we need to borrow if we have all this revenue or money to spend? Yep, didn't expect that one did you? Yet, so simple...........................................You're a joke.
 
3 Trillion in a 18 trillion dollar economy? That is hardly excessive. Even adding in State and Municipal spending, the US spends less as a percentage of GDP than most industrialized democracies.

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If government spending is more than 10% of GDP, government is too big and is spending too much. Additionally, outside of MAJOR national emergencies, if government needs to borrow to spend, it is spending too much.

I don't expect fans of big government to agree.


OPINION from a Klown who would've been a Torry, a confederate, an isolationists during both WW's, fighting the things that created the worlds largest middle cl;ass, like Teddy's trust busting, labor laws, union rights, civil rights, SOCIAL SECURITY, etc

CONS ARE NEVER ON THE CORRECT SIDE OF HISTORY!

says our own Baghdad Bob!

Tell us, what color is the sky when looking at it via your plexiglass belly button?
 
Why do we need to borrow if we have all this revenue or money to spend? Yep, didn't expect that one did you? Yet, so simple...........................................You're a joke.

We don't have revenues because we gave the rich obscene tax cuts. We had balanced budgets before your Boy Bush got there, gave tax cuts to the rich and put a trillion dollar war on a credit card.
 
Sadly, it's what both major parties are about. Take off the party blinders, my friend, before you trip and hurt yourself.

You know what, buddy. The only time we passed balanced budgets in my lifetime was when Bill Clinton was president. He also gave us peace and 3% unemployment and an awesome stock market.

"Oh my God, he lied about a blow job! Let's impeach him!!!"

Actually that was the 2 future Presidential candidates John Kasich Gov of Ohio who is up to a 54% lead in Ohio which is a true 50/50 state and what needs to be won to win the Presidency, ANG Newt Gingrich who had to corner Clinton into signing those budgets will brilliant political moves. Wrong again. :) This is fun keep it going.
 
Why do we need to borrow if we have all this revenue or money to spend? Yep, didn't expect that one did you? Yet, so simple...........................................You're a joke.

We don't have revenues because we gave the rich obscene tax cuts. We had balanced budgets before your Boy Bush got there, gave tax cuts to the rich and put a trillion dollar war on a credit card.

The federal Government brought in 3+ trillion in reveues this year and we are doing what you "claim?" you don't like, which you are full of shit. Who signed those tax cuts into law? I'll give you a hint it was Obama who extended them. See you are also a hypocrite. The GOP balanced those budgets. Get the facts straight. LOL
 
Actually that was the 2 future Presidential candidates John Kasich Gov of Ohio who is up to a 54% lead in Ohio which is a true 50/50 state and what needs to be won to win the Presidency, ANG Newt Gingrich who had to corner Clinton into signing those budgets will brilliant political moves. Wrong again. :) This is fun keep it going.

Horseshit. Kasich and Gingrich didn't cut shit, and it was his fellow Republicans who drove Newt out on a rail.

we had balanced budgets because Clinton made the rich pay their fair share, and cut the bloated military budget.
 
Actually that was the 2 future Presidential candidates John Kasich Gov of Ohio who is up to a 54% lead in Ohio which is a true 50/50 state and what needs to be won to win the Presidency, ANG Newt Gingrich who had to corner Clinton into signing those budgets will brilliant political moves. Wrong again. :) This is fun keep it going.

Horseshit. Kasich and Gingrich didn't cut shit, and it was his fellow Republicans who drove Newt out on a rail.

we had balanced budgets because Clinton made the rich pay their fair share, and cut the bloated military budget.

Ohh... The truth hurts! Doesn't it? :) Someone pissy. Take your hormones. Just accept it. Your party is fucked.
 
Sadly, it's what both major parties are about. Take off the party blinders, my friend, before you trip and hurt yourself.

You know what, buddy. The only time we passed balanced budgets in my lifetime was when Bill Clinton was president. He also gave us peace and 3% unemployment and an awesome stock market.

"Oh my God, he lied about a blow job! Let's impeach him!!!"

I see the partisan party blinders also impact your memory. I'd tell you to pull your head out of your ass, but being from Chicago, the view wouldn't change much.
 
The federal Government brought in 3+ trillion in reveues this year and we are doing what you "claim?" you don't like, which you are full of shit. Who signed those tax cuts into law? See you are also a hypocrite. The GOP balanced those budgets. Get the facts straight. LOL

Are you like a special retard or something?

I edited to that to point out the your guy Obama extended those tax cuts while in office. and that you are a hypocrite. :) If you keep posting in this thread topic you are an idiot, but have balls I'll give you that.
 
I see the partisan party blinders also impact your memory. I'd tell you to pull your head out of your ass, but being from Chicago, the view wouldn't change much.

In 1998, I was one of the Republican Assholes screaming for his impeachment. Yes, yes, I really, truly thought that the worst thing was a President lying about a blowjob, and i said "Subornation of Perjury" like that was a real thing.

And then we got Bush. We got two wars and two recessions that pretty much wiped most of us out. We watched a major city get wiped off the map because his giant new agency that handled disasters didn't know what to do. We earned the contempt of the whole world by starting a war over weapons that didn't exist.

Gee, I look at the bad old days when the worst thing I had to worry about was a President lying about a blow job.
 
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I edited to that to point out the your guy Obama extended those tax cuts while in office. and that you are a hypocrite. :)

Again, are you some kind of fucking retard?

i see you ran out of arguments .. See guys. Example A here with Joe. He talks and thinks he knows something, but when hit with the truth and real facts he resorts to name calling like a pussy. You already dug your hole now I'm filling it.
 
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I edited to that to point out the your guy Obama extended those tax cuts while in office. and that you are a hypocrite. :)

Again, are you some kind of fucking retard?

i see you ran out of arguments .. See guys. Example A here with Joe. He talks and thinks he knows something, but when hit with the truth and real facts he resorts to name calling like a pussy. You already dug your hole now I'm filling it.

It's national hug a retard day... no one is trying to steal your helmet.
 
Typical partisan party horsepucky...rail on about what the other party did in the past, ignore what your own party is doing in the present
I see the partisan party blinders also impact your memory. I'd tell you to pull your head out of your ass, but being from Chicago, the view wouldn't change much.

In 1998, I was one of the Republican Assholes screaming for his impeachment. Yes, yes, I really, truly thought that the worst thing was a President lying about a blowjob, and i said "Subornation of Perjury" like that was a real thing.

And then we got Bush. We got two wars and two recessions that pretty much wiped most of us out. We watched a major city get wiped off the map because his giant new agency that handled disasters didn't know what to do. We earned the contempt of the whole world by starting a war over weapons that didn't exist.

Gee, I look at the bad old days when the worst thing I had to worry about was a President lying about a blow job.

In 1998 I was in elected office...as an independent...and I would have called you a moron for wanting to impeach the President. Clinton's blow job was the least of his crimes. That you don't know that is why you have your head up your ass.

Both Bushes, Clinton and Obama should be swinging from a rope.
 
I see the partisan party blinders also impact your memory. I'd tell you to pull your head out of your ass, but being from Chicago, the view wouldn't change much.

In 1998, I was one of the Republican Assholes screaming for his impeachment. Yes, yes, I really, truly thought that the worst thing was a President lying about a blowjob, and i said "Subornation of Perjury" like that was a real thing.

And then we got Bush. We got two wars and two recessions that pretty much wiped most of us out. We watched a major city get wiped off the map because his giant new agency that handled disasters didn't know what to do. We earned the contempt of the whole world by starting a war over weapons that didn't exist.

Gee, I look at the bad old days when the worst thing I had to worry about was a President lying about a blow job.

Does Clinton first 4 years completely escape your memory or something?
 
In 1998 I was in elected office...as an independent...and I would have called you a moron for wanting to impeach the President. Clinton's blow job was the least of his crimes. That you don't know that is why you have your head up your ass.

Both Bushes, Clinton and Obama should be swinging from a rope.

Third Parties are fucking worthless.

ANd, no, really, 70 million dollars Ken Starr spent investigating the Clintons, all he could come up with was "lying about a blow job".
 
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I edited to that to point out the your guy Obama extended those tax cuts while in office. and that you are a hypocrite. :)

Again, are you some kind of fucking retard?

i see you ran out of arguments .. See guys. Example A here with Joe. He talks and thinks he knows something, but when hit with the truth and real facts he resorts to name calling like a pussy. You already dug your hole now I'm filling it.

It's national hug a retard day... no one is trying to steal your helmet.


I see my job is completed. Your finished. Have at him guys. He's like a big juicy steak. You just learned I'm the last guy you want to talk to about financial matters, politics, and economy all in one thread.
 

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