Johnson Wasted Votes and PO'd Voters

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    In our country, the vast majority of ELIGIBLE voters are PO'd after every election. They come from two groups, the 22% that VOTED and LOST and the 55% that hardly EVER vote and did NOT vote because they are already PO'd at the parties and the candidates. So -- there is much unhappiness after every election. You have no idea if that fired up poster you meet on-line ever ACTUALLY got their ass off the couch and cast a vote -- but they are just as angry as the genuine Party animal that got rejected.

    And look at the party faithful. How can THEY be happy even when they WIN? The Dems still face the same set of problems they've been pledging to fix for DECADES now. They blame their failure on those pesky right-wingers. Wasn't THEIR FAULT when they had all 3 branches of govt under their control that they didn't ramp up the law-making machine and FIX all that. The Reps do exactly the same.

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    Now --- go fetch me a picture of what a THREE WAY finger pointing looks like. It's a bit harder isn't it?
    Having just 2 choices devolves into fear and finger pointing.

    You tell me what fraction of those voting are only voting out of FEAR of the other party -- and I'll show you "wasted votes" ..

    1 - Only four Party Bosses now control Congress. The other 531 members are TOTALLY irrelevant. THAT'S wasted votes.

    2 - About 12 to 15% of Congressional seat races are ABANDONED by the parties and written off as loss. Leaving the 40% of the minority party in that race completely "wasting their votes". UNLESS -- there happens to be a Libertarian or Green candidate on the ballot to make it a contest.

    3 - The 55% of registered voters who are so turned off by the shouting and "anti" voting -- that they do not take part in the process are "wasted votes".

    4 -- Gerrymandering has gotten so efficient is IS like 2 foxes deciding on how to split the hen. And TOGETHER they conspire to KEEP their monopoly corporations free from competition by BARRING ballot access to other parties and choices.

    Libertarians don't care about "winning".. Read that again. We will not pander to get elected. BUT -- as elected officials, it will be about prioritizing and presenting issues for PUBLIC support to get the other 2 parties to cooperate with a "populist" type of administration. Lots of things would be EASY targets to fix actually. If you don't care about winning -- but care about busting up the duopoly that has strangled our very expensive ,. , mostly dysfunctional govt.

    So for the fear voters out there. You actually "fear" Johnson/Weld MORE than your candidate? And for the constantly torqued "non-voters" -- you want a chance to show your anger and despair at being locked out? Vote for the BETTER choices. NOT to win.. Or you've got nothing to gripe about when things go ugly voting for people who do not deserve your vote.
     
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    I'll be voting for Johnson this November.

    It doesn't really matter if Trump or Hillary wins. The country will survive, and 4 and 8 years from now the country will be just as butthurt as it is now. Just over new, unforeseeable issues. But I like Johnson. And not only have Hillary and Drumpf not earned my vote, they've done as much as they possibly can to lose it.
     
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    The Wasted Vote Lie


    The worst thing about voting for the “lesser of two evils” is that it actually has the opposite effect of what it’s intended to do. Winning candidates don’t know, they don’t want to know - and frankly don’t care - why people vote for them. They certainly don’t know and don’t care how many of the votes they got were so-called protest votes. All they want is enough votes to win. They’ll consider all the votes they get as an endorsement of their campaign promises or past performance to claim a “mandate from the people.”

    The news media aid and abet in this subterfuge when, with a Cheshire cat smile, they ask Libertarian candidates, “You know you can’t win, so why are you running?” They don’t want a meaningful response because their intent is to divert the conversation away from any discussion of substantive issues. Their purpose is to marginalize the Libertarian so they can justify treating the campaign as a sideshow to be covered only for the entertainment value.

    The Wasted Vote Lie is often accompanied by another big lie, that your vote for a Libertarian “takes away” votes from the Republican or Democrat. Let’s call this allegation what it is - pure and unadulterated arrogance. The ruling elites believe your vote belongs to them and that you’re too ignorant, or too stupid, or too uninformed to use it wisely. The Wasted Vote Lie and all its variations is an obvious and clear symptom of the condition Republicans and Democrats fear the most - an independent thinking voter.

    Let me be clear: there is no such thing as a wasted vote. Your vote belongs to you, and no one else. It doesn’t belong to the Republican or Democratic Party, or any party or candidate for that matter. Your vote is your voice; it is one of your unnamed, inalienable rights, the ultimate expression of your right to free speech and self-government. Your vote is the most precious and meaningful gift you can give to any candidate. Your vote is worth more than any amount of money or any number of volunteer hours you may give, which is why politicians lust after it so hungrily. Your vote cannot be wasted, or stolen, or lost - unless you make a decision to do so.
     
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    I'm not so sure about survival. There have been MAJOR shifts in the meaning of a Job and employment and NO ACTION from leadership. And the current foreign policy being exercised for 30 years is EXTREMELY dangerous,. And corporate consolidation just makes govt/collusion EASIER all the time.

    Appreciate your open mind -- but I'm NOT as optimistic at all.. Especially with the amped up hostilities against either Hillary and Trump if they GET into the WH. If you think it's polarized now -- it's gonna be a HELL of 4 years that will SEEM like a lifetime of grief..
     
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    There are 3 candidates in this race:

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    Yes, that's the top of Mount Everest.
     
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    The country is polarized, but then again when hasn't it been? Despite media sensationalizing, violence is actually down. Local and State governments will handle things just fine while congress bickers and politicizes everything.

    Our biggest threat is our foreign policy. It's horrible. We'll be lucky to survive continuing to set the rest of the world on fire and pissing everyone off.
     
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    He takes a lot a flack for being "low key". But I actually LIKE humble. I think humble would be refreshing about now. Particularly with the 2 arrogant meglos that are the main event.

    Humble is not to be confused with stoned.. People are just not used to seeing it in politics anymore..
     
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    Actually the blue states are in horrible shape. While IL is considered the worst and probably is in the worst shape both CA and RI have their own advocates with really good arguments to make their case. using a bond screen shows nearly 15 states have bond funds in the junk or even sub-junk (will default we just can't know when) yield range. some like CA ignore that their IOUs were in fact a default, others like IL have been in technical default for quite a while and others like RI use a host of gimmicks.
     
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    I am so glad you said that! Im proud of you, grasshopper! :p
     

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