Washington’s Bi-Partisan Russia-Bashers Are Determined to Start a War

Russia/Putin is rooting for the right and against Biden
he has infected the republican party
The GOP is conspiracy nuts at this point.
Believe it or not guys, there was a time, when folks on the left, actually had the ability to think and reason, and not be led around by the neo-liberal spooks in the consortium media.

Do you know who Robert Parry is? He's the guy that blew the Iran-Contra Scandal wide open, and helped cover Water-Gate. He was, R.I.P., one of the most respected muckraking reporters on the left, who had to leave the corporate MSM, because they are all owned by the military industrial warmongers. This, as NC has rightly pointed out, is NOT a winger issue, it is an issue that all Americans should be concerned about.

HERE, here is a POV from the left, from one of the most respected journalists this nation has ever produced. circa 2015, just after the Obama administration funded and organized the coup in Ukraine.

Robert Parry (journalist)​

Robert Earle Parry (June 24, 1949 – January 27, 2018)[1] was an American investigative journalist. He was best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair for the Associated Press (AP) and Newsweek, including breaking the Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare (CIA manual provided to the Nicaraguan contras) and the CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking in the U.S. scandal in 1985.

He was awarded the George Polk Award for National Reporting in 1984 and the I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence by Harvard's Nieman Foundation in 2015.

Parry was the editor of ConsortiumNews.com from 1995 until his death in 2018.[2]


ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine​

January 21, 2022
With U.S.-Russia tension over Ukraine reaching its most dangerous point, we look back at early warnings about the crisis delivered by Robert Parry in March 2015.
A version of this article first appeared on March 2, 2015.

"T
he United States and Russia still maintain vast nuclear arsenals of mutual assured destruction, putting the future of humanity in jeopardy every instant. But an unnerving nonchalance has settled over the American side which has become so casual about the risk of cataclysmic war that the West’s propaganda and passions now ignore Russian fears and sensitivities.

A swaggering goofiness has come to dominate how the United States reacts to Russia, with American politicians and journalists dashing off tweets and op-eds, rushing to judgment about the perfidy of Moscow’s leaders, blaming them for almost anything and everything.. . . .

<snip>

. . . When I spoke to the nuclear conference, I noted how the U.S. media/political system had helped create just that sort of crisis in Ukraine, with every “important” person jumping in on the side of the Kiev coup-makers in February 2014 when they overthrew elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

Since then, nearly every detail of that conflict has been seen through the prism of “our side good/their side bad.” Facts that put “our side” in a negative light, such as the key role played by neo-Nazis and the Kiev regime’s brutal “anti-terrorism operation,” are downplayed or ignored.

Conversely, anything that makes the Ukrainians who are resisting Kiev’s authority look bad gets hyped and even invented, such as one New York Times’ lead story citing photos that supposedly proved Russian military involvement but quickly turned out to be fraudulent. [See Consortium News‘ “NYT Retracts Russian Photo Scoop.”]

At pivotal moments in the crisis, such as the Feb. 20, 2014 sniper fire that killed both police and protesters and the July 17, 2014 shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 298 passengers and crew, the U.S. political/media establishment has immediately pinned the blame on Yanukovych, the ethnic Russian rebels who are resisting his ouster, or Putin.

Then, when evidence emerged going in the opposite direction — toward “our side” — a studied silence followed, allowing the earlier propaganda to stay in place as part of the preferred storyline. [See, for instance, Consortium News‘s “President Gollum’s ‘Precious’ Secrets.”]

<snip>

Russian Regime Change

Even President Barack Obama and other U.S. leaders who have yet to publicly endorse arming the Kiev coup-makers enjoy boasting about how much pain they are inflicting on the Russian economy and its government. In effect, there is a U.S. strategy of making the Russian economy “scream,” a first step toward a larger neocon goal to achieve “regime change” in Moscow.

Another point I made in my talk on Saturday was how the neocons are good at drafting “regime change” plans that sound great when discussed at a think tank or outlined on an op-ed page but often fail to survive in the real world, such as their 2003 plan for a smooth transition in Iraq to replace Saddam Hussein with someone of their choosing except that it didn’t work out that way.

Perhaps the greatest danger from the new neocon dream for “regime change” in Moscow is that whoever follows Putin might not be the pliable yes man that the neocons envision, but a fierce Russian nationalist who would suddenly have control of their nuclear launch codes and might decide that it’s time for the United States to make concessions or face annihilation.

On March 3, The Washington Post‘s neocon editorialists emphasized the need for ousting Putin as they anti-Putin activists who have urged an escalation of Western pressure on Russia. The Post wrote: “They say he [Putin] can be stopped only by steps that decisively raise the cost of his military aggression and cripple the financial system that sustains his regime.”

Yet, what I find truly remarkable about the Ukraine crisis is that it was always relatively simple to resolve: Before the coup, Yanukovych agreed to reduced powers and early elections so he could be voted out of office. Then, either he or some new leadership could have crafted an economic arrangement that expanded ties to the EU while not severing them with Russia.

Even after the coup, the new regime could have negotiated a federalized system that granted more independence to the disenfranchised ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine, rather than launch a brutal “anti-terrorist operation” against those resisting the new authorities. But Official Washington’s “group think” has been single-minded: only bellicose anti-Russian sentiments are permitted and no suggestions of accommodation are allowed. . . . "
 
Believe it or not guys, there was a time, when folks on the left, actually had the ability to think and reason, and not be led around by the neo-liberal spooks in the consortium media.

Do you know who Robert Parry is? He's the guy that blew the Iran-Contra Scandal wide open, and helped cover Water-Gate. He was, R.I.P., one of the most respected muckraking reporters on the left, who had to leave the corporate MSM, because they are all owned by the military industrial warmongers. This, as NC has rightly pointed out, is NOT a winger issue, it is an issue that all Americans should be concerned about.

HERE, here is a POV from the left, from one of the most respected journalists this nation has ever produced. circa 2015, just after the Obama administration funded and organized the coup in Ukraine.

Robert Parry (journalist)​

Robert Earle Parry (June 24, 1949 – January 27, 2018)[1] was an American investigative journalist. He was best known for his role in covering the Iran-Contra affair for the Associated Press (AP) and Newsweek, including breaking the Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare (CIA manual provided to the Nicaraguan contras) and the CIA involvement in Contra cocaine trafficking in the U.S. scandal in 1985.

He was awarded the George Polk Award for National Reporting in 1984 and the I.F. Stone Medal for Journalistic Independence by Harvard's Nieman Foundation in 2015.

Parry was the editor of ConsortiumNews.com from 1995 until his death in 2018.[2]


ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine​

January 21, 2022
With U.S.-Russia tension over Ukraine reaching its most dangerous point, we look back at early warnings about the crisis delivered by Robert Parry in March 2015.
A version of this article first appeared on March 2, 2015.

"T
he United States and Russia still maintain vast nuclear arsenals of mutual assured destruction, putting the future of humanity in jeopardy every instant. But an unnerving nonchalance has settled over the American side which has become so casual about the risk of cataclysmic war that the West’s propaganda and passions now ignore Russian fears and sensitivities.

A swaggering goofiness has come to dominate how the United States reacts to Russia, with American politicians and journalists dashing off tweets and op-eds, rushing to judgment about the perfidy of Moscow’s leaders, blaming them for almost anything and everything.. . . .

<snip>

. . . When I spoke to the nuclear conference, I noted how the U.S. media/political system had helped create just that sort of crisis in Ukraine, with every “important” person jumping in on the side of the Kiev coup-makers in February 2014 when they overthrew elected President Viktor Yanukovych.

Since then, nearly every detail of that conflict has been seen through the prism of “our side good/their side bad.” Facts that put “our side” in a negative light, such as the key role played by neo-Nazis and the Kiev regime’s brutal “anti-terrorism operation,” are downplayed or ignored.

Conversely, anything that makes the Ukrainians who are resisting Kiev’s authority look bad gets hyped and even invented, such as one New York Times’ lead story citing photos that supposedly proved Russian military involvement but quickly turned out to be fraudulent. [See Consortium News‘ “NYT Retracts Russian Photo Scoop.”]

At pivotal moments in the crisis, such as the Feb. 20, 2014 sniper fire that killed both police and protesters and the July 17, 2014 shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 298 passengers and crew, the U.S. political/media establishment has immediately pinned the blame on Yanukovych, the ethnic Russian rebels who are resisting his ouster, or Putin.

Then, when evidence emerged going in the opposite direction — toward “our side” — a studied silence followed, allowing the earlier propaganda to stay in place as part of the preferred storyline. [See, for instance, Consortium News‘s “President Gollum’s ‘Precious’ Secrets.”]

<snip>

Russian Regime Change

Even President Barack Obama and other U.S. leaders who have yet to publicly endorse arming the Kiev coup-makers enjoy boasting about how much pain they are inflicting on the Russian economy and its government. In effect, there is a U.S. strategy of making the Russian economy “scream,” a first step toward a larger neocon goal to achieve “regime change” in Moscow.

Another point I made in my talk on Saturday was how the neocons are good at drafting “regime change” plans that sound great when discussed at a think tank or outlined on an op-ed page but often fail to survive in the real world, such as their 2003 plan for a smooth transition in Iraq to replace Saddam Hussein with someone of their choosing except that it didn’t work out that way.

Perhaps the greatest danger from the new neocon dream for “regime change” in Moscow is that whoever follows Putin might not be the pliable yes man that the neocons envision, but a fierce Russian nationalist who would suddenly have control of their nuclear launch codes and might decide that it’s time for the United States to make concessions or face annihilation.

On March 3, The Washington Post‘s neocon editorialists emphasized the need for ousting Putin as they anti-Putin activists who have urged an escalation of Western pressure on Russia. The Post wrote: “They say he [Putin] can be stopped only by steps that decisively raise the cost of his military aggression and cripple the financial system that sustains his regime.”

Yet, what I find truly remarkable about the Ukraine crisis is that it was always relatively simple to resolve: Before the coup, Yanukovych agreed to reduced powers and early elections so he could be voted out of office. Then, either he or some new leadership could have crafted an economic arrangement that expanded ties to the EU while not severing them with Russia.

Even after the coup, the new regime could have negotiated a federalized system that granted more independence to the disenfranchised ethnic Russians of eastern Ukraine, rather than launch a brutal “anti-terrorist operation” against those resisting the new authorities. But Official Washington’s “group think” has been single-minded: only bellicose anti-Russian sentiments are permitted and no suggestions of accommodation are allowed. . . . "
Putin has been attacking the United States in every way he can short of military strikes. Are we just supposed to let it all go? We've been spending like crazy on defense for decades. Apparently all that is worthless with a republican party openly collaborating with Russia to make our response to their agression toothless.
 
Putin has been attacking the United States in every way he can short of military strikes. Are we just supposed to let it all go? We've been spending like crazy on defense for decades. Apparently all that is worthless with a republican party openly collaborating with Russia to make our response to their agression toothless.
You always make specious statements backed up with nothing.

How, how has he been attacking the U.S.?
 
Putin has been attacking the United States in every way he can short of military strikes. Are we just supposed to let it all go? We've been spending like crazy on defense for decades. Apparently all that is worthless with a republican party openly collaborating with Russia to make our response to their agression toothless.
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The only real way you make aggression toothless is by busting it in the mouth.
It doesn't surprise me that you would join the bipartisan effort on Capitol Hill to act tough.

Just remember that when you jabber on about military spending and it being worthless if we don't bust someone in the mouth ...
When you are playing with all those shiny little soldiers and ships in your head...
Those are really people that have a whole lot more invested in the outcome than you do.

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You always make specious statements backed up with nothing.

How, how has he been attacking the U.S.?
Well you probably liked the attack on our elections that helped Trump get elected so I have no expectation you would condemn the cyber attacks, espionage or aiding our other adversaries in various parts of the world.
 
Well you probably liked the attack on our elections that helped Trump get elected so I have no expectation you would condemn the cyber attacks, espionage or aiding our other adversaries in various parts of the world.

 
Well you probably liked the attack on our elections that helped Trump get elected so I have no expectation you would condemn the cyber attacks, espionage or aiding our other adversaries in various parts of the world.

Campaign 2016, Foreign Policy, Obama Administration, Politics, Secrecy, Trump Administration

US Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims​

December 12, 2016

". . . Awesome Technical Capabilities

Again, NSA is able to identify both the sender and recipient when hacking is involved. Thanks largely to the material released by Edward Snowden, we can provide a full picture of NSA’s extensive domestic data-collection network including Upstream programs like Fairview, Stormbrew and Blarney. These include at least 30 companies in the U.S. operating the fiber networks that carry the Public Switched Telephone Network as well as the World Wide Web. This gives NSA unparalleled access to data flowing within the U.S. and data going out to the rest of the world, as well as data transiting the U.S.

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. (Photo credit: The Guardian)
Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden. (Photo credit: The Guardian)

In other words, any data that is passed from the servers of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) or of Hillary Rodham Clinton (HRC) – or any other server in the U.S. – is collected by the NSA. These data transfers carry destination addresses in what are called packets, which enable the transfer to be traced and followed through the network.

Packets: Emails being passed across the World Wide Web are broken down into smaller segments called packets. These packets are passed into the network to be delivered to a recipient. This means the packets need to be reassembled at the receiving end.

To accomplish this, all the packets that form a message are assigned an identifying number that enables the receiving end to collect them for reassembly. Moreover, each packet carries the originator and ultimate receiver Internet protocol number (either IPV4 or IPV6) that enables the network to route data.

When email packets leave the U.S., the other “Five Eyes” countries (the U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) and the seven or eight additional countries participating with the U.S. in bulk-collection of everything on the planet would also have a record of where those email packets went after leaving the U.S.

These collection resources are extensive [see attached NSA slides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]; they include hundreds of trace route programs that trace the path of packets going across the network and tens of thousands of hardware and software implants in switches and servers that manage the network. Any emails being extracted from one server going to another would be, at least in part, recognizable and traceable by all these resources.

The bottom line is that the NSA would know where and how any “hacked” emails from the DNC, HRC or any other servers were routed through the network. This process can sometimes require a closer look into the routing to sort out intermediate clients, but in the end sender and recipient can be traced across the network.

The various ways in which usually anonymous spokespeople for U.S. intelligence agencies are equivocating – saying things like “our best guess” or “our opinion” or “our estimate” etc. – shows that the emails alleged to have been “hacked” cannot be traced across the network. Given NSA’s extensive trace capability, we conclude that DNC and HRC servers alleged to have been hacked were, in fact, not hacked.

The evidence that should be there is absent; otherwise, it would surely be brought forward, since this could be done without any danger to sources and methods. Thus, we conclude that the emails were leaked by an insider – as was the case with Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning. Such an insider could be anyone in a government department or agency with access to NSA databases, or perhaps someone within the DNC.

As for the comments to the media as to what the CIA believes, the reality is that CIA is almost totally dependent on NSA for ground truth in the communications arena. Thus, it remains something of a mystery why the media is being fed strange stories about hacking that have no basis in fact. In sum, given what we know of NSA’s existing capabilities, it beggars belief that NSA would be unable to identify anyone – Russian or not – attempting to interfere in a U.S. election by hacking.. . . "

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We've been spending like crazy on defense for decades.
Just remember that when you jabber on about military spending and it being worthless if we don't bust someone in the mouth ...

Props for differentiating defense spending from military spending.

There's a reason they're two completely different budgets, after all.

Unfortunately, some folks tend to equate the two to conform to the spin. Seems to be a top down phenomenon.
 
Props for differentiating defense spending from military spending.

There's a reason they're two completely different budgets, after all.

Unfortunately, some folks tend to equate the two to conform to the spin. Seems to be a top down phenomenon.
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I totally get your point ... But I don't jump on Defense Spending or Military Spending like some people do.

Mainly because I see it as at least one thing our Federal Government spends money on ...
That the Constitution actually granted them the power to manage and finance.

How it may dovetail with an offensive capability in support of International Affairs is also a concern ...
Perhaps that is just where we need better leaders than the current group of Asshats on Capitol Hill.

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I totally get your point ... But I don't jump on Defense Spending or Military Spending like some people do.

Mainly because I see it as at least one thing our Federal Government spends money on ...
That the Constitution actually granted them the power to manage and finance.

How it may dovetail with an offensive capability in support of International Affairs is also a concern ...
Perhaps that is just where we need better leaders than the current group of Asshats on Capitol Hill.

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I was just glad to see the terms properly differentiated.
 
Believe it or not guys, there was a time, when folks on the left, actually had the ability to think and reason, and not be led around by the neo-liberal spooks in the consortium media.
You're fooling yourselves if you think it's an issue of left/right politics. America is in turmoil because of the rip-off of the working class by the very rich and powerful. The easiest clue to follow is in Trump's support came from the workinig class people whose agenda of gaining their piece of the American pie, was hijacked by another corporate psychopath.
Now the people will flounder around until the election, hating each other, and then elect one of two more bad choices.
 
You're fooling yourselves if you think it's an issue of left/right politics. America is in turmoil because of the rip-off of the working class by the very rich and powerful. The easiest clue to follow is in Trump's support came from the workinig class people whose agenda of gaining their piece of the American pie, was hijacked by another corporate psychopath.
Now the people will flounder around until the election, hating each other, and then elect one of two more bad choices.
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Now if you could possibly take that rant and apply it to the topic of a Bi-Partisan effort to act tough against Russia ...
Then you might actually have something worth discussing in this thread.

To suggest that anything is not a product of partisan politics and then support your statements with a purely partisan rant ...
Just leaves me to wonder whether or not you even understand what you are posting.

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You are reading too much into it.

The 2% Lunch was simply a "Thanks" for the Nations that were willing to meet their obligations.
It sometimes helps to be grateful towards Members that understand those obligations.

It doesn't have to be playing politics or worrying about someone's feelings getting hurt.
There is nothing wrong about acknowledging Members doing the right thing.

If it caused a rift with other Members of NATO, then perhaps they should pay their bills.

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Yes perhaps, but I'm not really interested in there being any significance in Trump's maneuvering.
 
Putin Is a clear security threat to America and our allies and he has infected the republican party with a willingness to collaborate.
A willingness to collaborate is a novel way of explaining it, but it's good enough if it accomplishes the end goal of peace with Russia.

I can't agree that Putin is a security threat to America but I will agree that Russia is a threat to US power and supremacy in the oil rich nations of the world and beyond.

If N.C. can find anything to agree with in what I've said then maybe he's up to being included in a discussion?
 
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Now if you could possibly take that rant and apply it to the topic of a Bi-Partisan effort to act tough against Russia ...
Then you might actually have something worth discussing in this thread.


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From a Canadian's POV, Americans will always be able to find bi-partisan support on foreign relations that may lead to war.
 
Yes perhaps, but I'm not really interested in there being any significance in Trump's maneuvering.
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I am pretty sure Former President Trump isn't holding his breath waiting for you to be interested.

However ... What do you think about our Allies in NATO who fail to meet their obligations?
How would you suggest we best approach that matter?

How do you think your feelings about Former President Trump can play a significant part in any discussion of the
Bi-partisan effort on Capitol Hill to act tough against Russia?

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From a Canadian's POV, Americans will always be able to find bi-partisan support on foreign relations that may lead to war.
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And yet it was Canada's Prime Minster Trudeau that was quick to offer his support along with military assistance ...
In the case that it should be need after the 2020 election in the US.

I suppose it is okay if you just want to support a more partisan effort.

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I am pretty sure Former President Trump isn't holding his breath waiting for you to be interested.​
Yeah, who cares?

However ... What do you think about our Allies in NATO who fail to meet their obligations?
How would you suggest we best approach that matter?​
This is barely interesting enough to grab my interest.
America must convince those Nato members that they require US support. My opinion is that Nato is simply a tool of US aggression and the other members understand that and are balking at having to pay for it. You do understand that I'm a Canadian? So as a Canadian I'm pleased you've provided me an opportunity to answer your question.
If you desire further discussion on the Nato issue, we can do so if it's kept polite and civil.

How do you think your feelings about Former President Trump can play a significant part in any discussion of the
Bi-partisan effort on Capitol Hill to act tough against Russia?​
I doubt you are aware of my feeling for Trump, as that pertains to foreign policy on Russia. I'll just say briefly, without explanation, that I would prefer him to Biden.

I'm not really conversant with bi-partisan support on capitol hill as it pertains to Russia. I could only assume that domestic poltics will be laid aside in favour of a hawkish stance against Russia. Maybe you wish to expand on that theory?
 
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And yet it was Canada's Prime Minster Trudeau that was quick to offer his support along with military assistance ...
In the case that it should be need after the 2020 election in the US.

I suppose it is okay if you just want to support a more partisan effort.

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I always would prefer than Canada not become involved in US aggression but we do have the Nato commitment to consider.
I would suppose that Trudeau would be opposed to Canada's membership in Nato, but is faced with the fact that a large majority of Canadians could still consider Nato of some use. However, the question hasn't been asked of Canadians so far and so I don't know what the answer would be.
I can only say that some Nato members are showing signs of balking on Nato support.
Can you confine your remarks to one post so I don't have to repeat myself?
 

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