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Very interesting to say the least.
Don't hold your breath about ST becoming a reality though.
Like I said in post #63. A real scientist wins again! Too bad Kondav. hee hee
I have a feeling that the final theory of everything will be much simpler than people think.
The first element, hydrogen, is nothing but a positive force and a negative force.
It may be as simple as that.
Why do I get the impression you are either a California transplant, or a poser.
We Californians don't go around behaving like your snotty ass.
I live here and yes. They do. They really, REALLY do.
But fuck all that human shit. This is so much more important if it's confirmed.
Yep think of the bandwidth on a nutrino based internet!
Would "scientists" fudge data by a millionth of a second to keep those grants rolling in or to get their names in journals? They did it with global warming.
"Scientists" would, i.e. those that are skeptical about AGW despite the fact that we know the heat-trapping properties of GHGs and that they've been going up for about ~200 years. Scientists, however, do exactly what theses guys did, put out a call for their results to be replicated. They, unlike the denier/skeptic side of the AGW debate, realize that politics doesn't play a part in real science and doesn't depend on polls to determine its veracity.
Would "scientists" fudge data by a millionth of a second to keep those grants rolling in or to get their names in journals? They did it with global warming.
"Scientists" would, i.e. those that are skeptical about AGW despite the fact that we know the heat-trapping properties of GHGs and that they've been going up for about ~200 years. Scientists, however, do exactly what theses guys did, put out a call for their results to be replicated. They, unlike the denier/skeptic side of the AGW debate, realize that politics doesn't play a part in real science and doesn't depend on polls to determine its veracity.
You m ean like the deniers who refuse DOIA requests or compare such requests to threats like Micheal Mann did?
Oh wait, that would be AGW Warmistas, not the skeptics.
Thanks for clearing that up.
"Scientists" would, i.e. those that are skeptical about AGW despite the fact that we know the heat-trapping properties of GHGs and that they've been going up for about ~200 years. Scientists, however, do exactly what theses guys did, put out a call for their results to be replicated. They, unlike the denier/skeptic side of the AGW debate, realize that politics doesn't play a part in real science and doesn't depend on polls to determine its veracity.
You m ean like the deniers who refuse DOIA requests or compare such requests to threats like Micheal Mann did?
Oh wait, that would be AGW Warmistas, not the skeptics.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Go back to sleep. You're as clear as mud!!!
UPDATE:
Turns out they found out what was wrong after all.
A loose cable between the GPS and the computer was giving an improper time reading.
Sorry Neutrinos don't travel faster then light after all and relativity is safe (once again).
Was Einstein wrong - or was the cable loose? | Reuters
A loose connection between a timer and a computer led some of the worlds smartest particle physicists to conclude that certain tiny particles called neutrinos moved faster than the speed of light -- a declaration that shocked the science world and would have called into questions Einsteins theories.
But rather than invalidating the stunning superspeed finding, the flaw may have led scientists to underestimate it.
Citing sources familiar with the experiment, Science magazines website reported Wednesday that the 60-nanoseconds discrepancy that led to the startling speed conclusion came from a bad connection in a fiber optic cable connecting a GPS receiver (used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight) and a computer....
Yet a Thursday morning statement from CERN's OPERA team, the European science group that first reported the faster-than-light finding, noted that the faulty cable could have led to an undercalculation instead.
Neutrinos could move even faster than the speed of light than previously suggested, in other words.
UPDATE:
Turns out they found out what was wrong after all.
A loose cable between the GPS and the computer was giving an improper time reading.
Sorry Neutrinos don't travel faster then light after all and relativity is safe (once again).
Was Einstein wrong - or was the cable loose? | Reuters
Not so fast: Scientists rethink stunning, faster-than-light particle finding | Fox News
A loose connection between a timer and a computer led some of the world’s smartest particle physicists to conclude that certain tiny particles called neutrinos moved faster than the speed of light -- a declaration that shocked the science world and would have called into questions Einstein’s theories.
But rather than invalidating the stunning superspeed finding, the flaw may have led scientists to underestimate it.
Citing sources familiar with the experiment, Science magazine’s website reported Wednesday that the 60-nanoseconds discrepancy that led to the startling speed conclusion came from a bad connection in a fiber optic cable connecting a GPS receiver (used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight) and a computer....
Yet a Thursday morning statement from CERN's OPERA team, the European science group that first reported the faster-than-light finding, noted that the faulty cable could have led to an undercalculation instead.
Neutrinos could move even faster than the speed of light than previously suggested, in other words.
Lol, God is fucking with the science community.
"OPERA experiment reports anomaly in flight time of neutrinos from CERN to Gran SassoUPDATE 23 February 2012
The OPERA collaboration has informed its funding agencies and host laboratories that it has identified two possible effects that could have an influence on its neutrino timing measurement. These both require further tests with a short pulsed beam. If confirmed, one would increase the size of the measured effect, the other would diminish it. The first possible effect concerns an oscillator used to provide the time stamps for GPS synchronizations. It could have led to an overestimate of the neutrino's time of flight. The second concerns the optical fibre connector that brings the external GPS signal to the OPERA master clock, which may not have been functioning correctly when the measurements were taken. If this is the case, it could have led to an underestimate of the time of flight of the neutrinos. The potential extent of these two effects is being studied by the OPERA collaboration. New measurements with short pulsed beams are scheduled for May. "
The second potential error is in the fiber-optic cabling that carried the GPS data five miles to the underground detector. The investigation discovered that for dimmer light pulses, the circuit receiving the data introduced delay — up to 60 billionths of a second — that could bring the neutrinos’ speed back under the speed of light. The circuit has now been fixed.
UPDATE:
Turns out they found out what was wrong after all.
A loose cable between the GPS and the computer was giving an improper time reading.
Sorry Neutrinos don't travel faster then light after all and relativity is safe (once again).
Was Einstein wrong - or was the cable loose? | Reuters
Not so fast: Scientists rethink stunning, faster-than-light particle finding | Fox News
Lol, God is fucking with the science community.
I think it is bad reporting.
Here is the press release from CERN
"OPERA experiment reports anomaly in flight time of neutrinos from CERN to Gran SassoUPDATE 23 February 2012
The OPERA collaboration has informed its funding agencies and host laboratories that it has identified two possible effects that could have an influence on its neutrino timing measurement. These both require further tests with a short pulsed beam. If confirmed, one would increase the size of the measured effect, the other would diminish it. The first possible effect concerns an oscillator used to provide the time stamps for GPS synchronizations. It could have led to an overestimate of the neutrino's time of flight. The second concerns the optical fibre connector that brings the external GPS signal to the OPERA master clock, which may not have been functioning correctly when the measurements were taken. If this is the case, it could have led to an underestimate of the time of flight of the neutrinos. The potential extent of these two effects is being studied by the OPERA collaboration. New measurements with short pulsed beams are scheduled for May. "
Also
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/s...use-of-technical-problems-cern-says.html?_r=1
The second potential error is in the fiber-optic cabling that carried the GPS data five miles to the underground detector. The investigation discovered that for dimmer light pulses, the circuit receiving the data introduced delay up to 60 billionths of a second that could bring the neutrinos speed back under the speed of light. The circuit has now been fixed.
The wire is now fixed and another round of tests will begin next month. The first error wont be fixed until May, so.... I guess we will be waiting til May or later, with a slight update in March or April.
Ty Webb, CaddyshackThe shortest distance between to points is a straight line... in the opposite direction.
