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elektra said:
got to use coal to build that giant steel tower, got to use coal to make the fiberglass, got to use coal to make the cement, the rebar, the copper.
Because there is no method to create the tremendous amount of heat with electricity alone. If you are making polysilicon or steel, fiberglass or cement. All require fossil fuels.Why? All you actually need it electricity and that can come from all kinds of sources.
WrongBecause there is no method to create the tremendous amount of heat with electricity alone. If you are making polysilicon or steel, fiberglass or cement. All require fossil fuels.
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Yes, you do.Do I have to link, for you, Crick?
You have done nothing to earn such trust.Or can you take my word
It is unlikely at present to do so, but it is entirely possible and will soon become the norm.that it is impossible to make a solar panel or a wind turbine without a fossil fuel?
If it's obviousI dont have to prove that a 900ft tall wind turbine, that tens of thousands of them, increased our use of coal. It is obvious and common sense.
got to use coal to build that giant steel tower, got to use coal to make the fiberglass, got to use coal to make the cement, the rebar, the copper.
But you dont need to use coal to cut down the rainforest for the balsa wood
How many trillions are we spending on drilling, transporting and cleaning up fossils?How many trillions do you feel we should spend to transport electricity from the other side of the planet? Are you AOC?
How many trillions are we spending on drilling, transporting and cleaning up fossils?
you did not prove anything.If it's obvious
You should be able to prove your claims.
So prove them
Just as I did.
there is a difference, between the government spending trillions on renewables/alternatives/sustainable (incorrect names), and consumers buying gas or electricity.How many trillions are we spending on drilling, transporting and cleaning up fossils?
fine, i said a 900 ft wind turbine increased our use of fossil fuels, because it takes fossil fuels to make a 900 ft wind turbine.It's a good indicator of pseudo-science when someone asserts they "don't have to prove" something, that it's "common sense". And, in case any of you have difficulty with the term "pseudo-science" you can freely substitute the term "bullshit".
Why? All you actually need it electricity and that can come from all kinds of sources.
You do if the coal is underneath it fool
Let's say I build something that takes a hundred barrels of oil to manufacture, but that during its lifespan will prevent a million barrels of oil from being burned. What's the net result?fine, i said a 900 ft wind turbine increased our use of fossil fuels, because it takes fossil fuels to make a 900 ft wind turbine.
Tell us in your own words, building something so large does not increase the use of fossil fuels.
That is not solar or wind power, nice strawman argument.Let's say I build something that takes a hundred barrels of oil to manufacture, but that during its lifespan will prevent a million barrels of oil from being burned. What's the net result?
That is not solar or wind power, nice strawman argument.
Why not stick with facts and begin by stating how much oil it does take to make one wind turbine or one solar panel.
You like data and facts, why not start with real facts, not some stupid analogy, we have the real world at our fingertips, we do not have to make stuff up.
Start by describing the heavy industry that builds solar panels and wind turbines.
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I will.You mean spending on useful, reliable fossil fuel?
Let me know when you find the price tag on an undersea power cable
for solar energy. LOL!
No.you did not prove anything.
So, you are asking for proof that you must use coal to make steel and fiberglass, as well as coal? Seriously, you have zero idea that those three items, require coal to be manufactured?
Prove it.there is a difference, between the government spending trillions on renewables/alternatives/sustainable (incorrect names), and consumers buying gas or electricity.
And, Solar and Wind increased drilling for oil, the use of fossils, so those trillions you ask about, a disproportionate amount is consumed make solar panels and wind turbines.
common sense proves it, you are building something that is 100,000 times larger than any single power plant, how can that not increase the use of coalNo.
YOUR claim is that the use of coal INCREASES with the implementation of solar/wind energies.
Prove it.
you have no idea what a solar panel is, technically?Prove it.
Then it should be easy to provide documentation demonstrating the truth of your "common sense"common sense proves it, you are building something that is 100,000 times larger than any single power plant, how can that not increase the use of coal
Not even once.you have no idea what a solar panel is, technically?
you have no idea, what a wind turbine is?
you have no idea the size and amount that are required?
you have no idea of the cost?
prove it, already have, over and over,
Not even once.
PROVE IT.
I did.
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I will.
Shouldn't be hard since we did it the first time in 1866
