starcraftzzz
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- Feb 14, 2012
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Fraud doesn't happen in the past 5 years there have been 70 cases of voter fraud. However in2008 alone 5 million people were unable to vote because they showed up at the polls with the wrong ID.Since you can't show anyone is really being disenfranchised who has a valid ID, it's a moot point. The examples you gave have remedies. But for the average dude or dudette walking down the street, your examples are meaningless.
And nobody who could pass the Jim Crow tests to vote got disenfranchised either right?
I'm not vehemently opposed to Voter ID laws, I just think that many of the states passing them are making them far too restrictive. States are spending money on these voter ID laws to stop fraud that isn't actually happening and yet are not concerned about voting machines with no paper trail, getting cameras in tally rooms, two person integrity when in the presence of voted ballots, statewide voter databases, electronic poll books, post election manual audits, etc.
Those are separate issues.
As for the fraud "not happening", are you serious? According to whom?
I'll put it this way. The number of people who are disenfranchised by any voter ID laws when IDs are either free or as ubiquitous as they are today is less harmful than the voter fraud going on. Surely all federal and likely all statewide elections are not subject to fraud. However there may be local elections where turnout is low that is swayed by fraud.
I saw on another thread Florida was lost/won by 537 votes. A state of 20-25 million people (I don't have time to look it up) comes down to 537 people. It's easy to imagine a world where we didn't have the 2nd Iraq war if Gore would have won. Billions wasted and thousands of Americans dead--tens of thousands of Iraqis.
I'm not saying Bush participated in fraud or that Gore had fraud to make it that close.
Who knows?
Why not make it tighter so there is less likelihood that it would take place?
The reaosn to not make it tighter is because doing so make sit so millions of people cant vote in order to crack down on a problem that does not exist in reality
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