Voting is the next game

[Immanuel]

That's not the issue, Immie. It's things like, say, a student at Univ. Of Florida not being allowed to vote in Gainesville, but only in the Florida town they live in.

Bullshit like that.

I'm hoping that Democrats turn their attention to absentee voting to foil these blatant attempts to make it difficult for young people to vote.

Said student would have the right to vote absentee or to register in Gainesville. I do not see any reason why that would be a problem. But the requirement of having an ID had nothing to do with your scenario as that student would not be able to walk into the polls and cast a vote in Gainesville either way. He/she should not be allowed to with or without an ID.

( why would he not be able to vote where he lives, even if it's a college?)

I honestly cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with requiring a voter to produce identification. I do understand the argument that not everyone has ID's, but quite frankly, I think that is bogus and for the few that do not have proper identification or simply can't afford to get it, I have no problem with supplying it.

Immie

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html

So? What is your point?

Laws are written to stop potential crime not crimes that have already been committed.

Just because no one has been convicted does not mean that it does not go on. Nor have I said it is widespread. That does not mean that provisions should not be taken to prevent it. Nor does the lack of convictions prove in any manner that it does not go on. Without the means of identifying who is voting, there would be no way to find out if someone is going into multiple polling places and voting in each one. These laws are written as fail safes.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

I certainly wish that a liberal, any liberal, such as yourself would tell me what you all have against a voter having to prove who he/she is before they vote. To me, it only makes sense that someone who comes to vote must prove who they are before they vote and that they have the legal right to do so.

The fact that you are so opposed to proper identification makes you all seem suspect.

Maybe you can tell me why you don't think a person should have to prove who they are in order to vote?

Immie

Every state I have lived in, which are quite a few have required that I show a voter's id card or other id. Maybe some states are different. I consider myself liberal, or at least not a conservative and I certainly believe in voter identification.

Funny, but I have read many of your posts. I honestly do not consider you all that liberal. Nor do I believe, nor did I say, all liberals are opposed to voter id.

It simply does not make sense to me that anyone would be opposed to voter id laws. I do not think mnbasketball would travel to multiple locations and vote in multiple precincts, so it really does not make any sense why he would oppose it. It is not like there is some vast number of people in this country that do not have some form of legal identification! So what is the hang-up here?

Immie

 

[mnbasketball]

who said they were opposed, but like I said figure out this new way and who is going to pay for it.

But yes students who live at a dorm on a college or rent an apartment in the city should get to vote there just like if I or you moved to a new town and lived in an apartment and we received mail at our new place of living.

College kids have always been allowed to vote.

I'm not against voter ID, all I say is make it fair and pay for it. But it's not going to take care of voter fraud because there isn't any to talk about. so it's a big to do about nothing just in then hopes that poor kids and college kids and minorities won't take the time to get a special ID.

Like I said I;ll give you 2000.00 for every voter that was arrested for voting illegal and you give me a dollar for each legal one. there may be 100 votes out of 100,000 that shouldn't be allowed or a 1000 out of a million because most of the time someone didn't understand they couldn't vote or voted in the wrong place.

it's a big republican BS item and you all know it.

 

[Immanuel]

who said they were opposed, but like I said figure out this new way and who is going to pay for it.

But yes students who live at a dorm on a college or rent an apartment in the city should get to vote there just like if I or you moved to a new town and lived in an apartment and we received mail at our new place of living.

College kids have always been allowed to vote.

I'm not against voter ID, all I say is make it fair and pay for it. But it's not going to take care of voter fraud because there isn't any to talk about. so it's a big to do about nothing just in then hopes that poor kids and college kids and minorities won't take the time to get a special ID.

Like I said I;ll give you 2000.00 for every voter that was arrested for voting illegal and you give me a dollar for each legal one. there may be 100 votes out of 100,000 that shouldn't be allowed or a 1000 out of a million because most of the time someone didn't understand they couldn't vote or voted in the wrong place.

it's a big republican BS item and you all know it.

UF Students can vote in Gainesville. All they need to do is register to vote and that is the way it should be. If they want to remain residents of their own state, they can request absentee ballots. That is the way it should be.

No one said anything at all about a "special ID". I believe you have made that up. Might you have a link to back up your allegation?

It seems more to me that it is a big Democratic Party item. They are the ones that want to open the doors for allowing people to vote without producing identification. And as I asked. Why? Why would anyone that was honest oppose requiring identification to vote?

Immie

 

[mnbasketball]

might not be able to round up a bus load of unregistered voters and escort them to the polling place if they have to produce I.D.

So it should be illegal to register at the polling place now?


GOP wants to keep college kids from voting

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theti...the-2012-campaign-states-debate-voting-rights


If some GOP lawmakers get their way, it could be a whole lot tougher for people across the country to cast a ballot in the upcoming 2012 presidential election.
Boosted by major electoral gains in state legislatures nationwide in the 2010 campaign, Republican lawmakers in 32 states are pushing measures that would require citizens to show a state identification or proof of citizenship to vote. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, GOP lawmakers are proposing new limits on college students who vote in the state, potentially eliminating a key base of electoral support for Democrats in the state ahead of the upcoming presidential election.
As the Washington Post's Peter Wallsten writes, the measures have set off a partisan battle over voting rights across the country, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to suppress voters, including young people and minorities, who would cast their ballots for President Obama and other Democratic candidates next year.
In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.
Some GOP lawmakers in New Hampshire have billed the measures as an attempt to crack down on voter fraud in the state--but recent remarks from the newly elected GOP state House speaker have suggested otherwise.
In a recent speech to a tea party group in the state, House Speaker William O'Brien described college voters as "foolish." "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he said, in remarks that were videotaped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students, he said, lack "life experience" and "just vote their feelings."
GOP lawmakers in the state have distanced themselves from O'Brien's remarks.
"It's a war on voting," Thomas Bates, vice president of Rock the Vote, a youth voter-registration group, told the Post. "We'd like to be advocating for a 21st-century voting system, but here we are fighting against efforts to turn it back to the 19th century."Meanwhile, Republicans have also revived measures that have been debated on and off over the last several election cycles that would require voters to provide state-issued IDs at the polls.
In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers are moving forward with legislation that would block students from using school-issued identification to verify their identity at the polls. Meanwhile, in North Carolina, Republicans are preparing to introduce a similar measure requiring state IDs--a plan that the North Carolina Board of Elections has said could be problematic for African-American voters, a key base of support for Obama in 2008.'

 

[Avatar4321]

might not be able to round up a bus load of unregistered voters and escort them to the polling place if they have to produce I.D.

So it should be illegal to register at the polling place now?


GOP wants to keep college kids from voting

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If some GOP lawmakers get their way, it could be a whole lot tougher for people across the country to cast a ballot in the upcoming 2012 presidential election.
Boosted by major electoral gains in state legislatures nationwide in the 2010 campaign, Republican lawmakers in 32 states are pushing measures that would require citizens to show a state identification or proof of citizenship to vote. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, GOP lawmakers are proposing new limits on college students who vote in the state, potentially eliminating a key base of electoral support for Democrats in the state ahead of the upcoming presidential election.
As the Washington Post's Peter Wallsten writes, the measures have set off a partisan battle over voting rights across the country, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to suppress voters, including young people and minorities, who would cast their ballots for President Obama and other Democratic candidates next year.
In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.
Some GOP lawmakers in New Hampshire have billed the measures as an attempt to crack down on voter fraud in the state--but recent remarks from the newly elected GOP state House speaker have suggested otherwise.
In a recent speech to a tea party group in the state, House Speaker William O'Brien described college voters as "foolish." "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he said, in remarks that were videotaped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students, he said, lack "life experience" and "just vote their feelings."
GOP lawmakers in the state have distanced themselves from O'Brien's remarks.
"It's a war on voting," Thomas Bates, vice president of Rock the Vote, a youth voter-registration group, told the Post. "We'd like to be advocating for a 21st-century voting system, but here we are fighting against efforts to turn it back to the 19th century."Meanwhile, Republicans have also revived measures that have been debated on and off over the last several election cycles that would require voters to provide state-issued IDs at the polls.
In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers are moving forward with legislation that would block students from using school-issued identification to verify their identity at the polls. Meanwhile, in North Carolina, Republicans are preparing to introduce a similar measure requiring state IDs--a plan that the North Carolina Board of Elections has said could be problematic for African-American voters, a key base of support for Obama in 2008.'

What kind of moronic state allows people to register to vote at the pollsz? That just screams voter fraud.

But then you are all for fraud. And that's the main problem we are having with you.

 

[Immanuel]

might not be able to round up a bus load of unregistered voters and escort them to the polling place if they have to produce I.D.

So it should be illegal to register at the polling place now?


GOP wants to keep college kids from voting

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If some GOP lawmakers get their way, it could be a whole lot tougher for people across the country to cast a ballot in the upcoming 2012 presidential election.
Boosted by major electoral gains in state legislatures nationwide in the 2010 campaign, Republican lawmakers in 32 states are pushing measures that would require citizens to show a state identification or proof of citizenship to vote. Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, GOP lawmakers are proposing new limits on college students who vote in the state, potentially eliminating a key base of electoral support for Democrats in the state ahead of the upcoming presidential election.
As the Washington Post's Peter Wallsten writes, the measures have set off a partisan battle over voting rights across the country, with Democrats accusing Republicans of trying to suppress voters, including young people and minorities, who would cast their ballots for President Obama and other Democratic candidates next year.
In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.
Some GOP lawmakers in New Hampshire have billed the measures as an attempt to crack down on voter fraud in the state--but recent remarks from the newly elected GOP state House speaker have suggested otherwise.
In a recent speech to a tea party group in the state, House Speaker William O'Brien described college voters as "foolish." "Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he said, in remarks that were videotaped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students, he said, lack "life experience" and "just vote their feelings."
GOP lawmakers in the state have distanced themselves from O'Brien's remarks.
"It's a war on voting," Thomas Bates, vice president of Rock the Vote, a youth voter-registration group, told the Post. "We'd like to be advocating for a 21st-century voting system, but here we are fighting against efforts to turn it back to the 19th century."Meanwhile, Republicans have also revived measures that have been debated on and off over the last several election cycles that would require voters to provide state-issued IDs at the polls.
In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers are moving forward with legislation that would block students from using school-issued identification to verify their identity at the polls. Meanwhile, in North Carolina, Republicans are preparing to introduce a similar measure requiring state IDs--a plan that the North Carolina Board of Elections has said could be problematic for African-American voters, a key base of support for Obama in 2008.'

First off, when has a person ever been allowed to register at the polling place?

There have always been deadlines to register before an election. At least as far as I know. And they are always announced on the news as they approach. "If you want to vote in this year's general election, you must register on or before"... such and such a date. I hear it every election year. I am fairly certain you have heard it as well.

Second, if it were legal to register at a polling place there would be no reason someone could not register at that location as long as they had proper identification.

For others who are interested, here is a link to the story:

Ahead of the 2012 campaign, states debate voting rights - Yahoo! News

The article is just a bit slanted to the left... just a bit.

As for the school issued identification, I have to say that I can see why they may not be adequate, depending on the procedures undergone to verify eligibility, but for the moment without looking into it, I would not disallow them at least not yet. What would prevent a foreign student at UF from voting with a UF ID?

O'Brien appears to be a jerk. Definitely not someone who would get my vote.

Thanks for the article.

Immie

 

[Trajan]

I certainly wish that a liberal, any liberal, such as yourself would tell me what you all have against a voter having to prove who he/she is before they vote. To me, it only makes sense that someone who comes to vote must prove who they are before they vote and that they have the legal right to do so.

The fact that you are so opposed to proper identification makes you all seem suspect.

Maybe you can tell me why you don't think a person should have to prove who they are in order to vote?

Immie

you nazi!!!!!!!


See, that was me winning the argument....

 

[mnbasketball]

First off, when has a person ever been allowed to register at the polling place?

from above if you can't read, ( In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.)


You guys are funny, if someone post something you don't want to believe or hear you ask for a site, then when given the site you say it's bias because who printed it. You want to see it in a right wingnut article but nobody can find it. GEE I WONDER WHY, you can't find anything in the republican sites you visit for your news, I REALLY WONDER WHY. LOL you guys are real funny.

 

[mnbasketball]

There have always been deadlines to register before an election. At least as far as I know. And they are always announced on the news as they approach. "If you want to vote in this year's general election, you must register on or before"... such and such a date. I hear it every election year. I am fairly certain you have heard it as well.

of course there are dates you have to register by, they have to print the voter rolls and get them out to the election places, it would be hard to do otherwise. But people who missed the date could go to the polls and register and vote, that's the only way. same way on absenteeism, you must ask for a ballot by such a time, and if you lose it or have a problem you can vote on election day with a ballot that is held till they make sure your other ballot doesn't show up.

 

[Leweman]

There have always been deadlines to register before an election. At least as far as I know. And they are always announced on the news as they approach. "If you want to vote in this year's general election, you must register on or before"... such and such a date. I hear it every election year. I am fairly certain you have heard it as well.

of course there are dates you have to register by, they have to print the voter rolls and get them out to the election places, it would be hard to do otherwise. But people who missed the date could go to the polls and register and vote, that's the only way. same way on absenteeism, you must ask for a ballot by such a time, and if you lose it or have a problem you can vote on election day with a ballot that is held till they make sure your other ballot doesn't show up.

Well why should anyone register to vote if you can just go to the polls and register same day. Don't they have early voting in most states now adays too. How does that work?

 

[Immanuel]

First off, when has a person ever been allowed to register at the polling place?

from above if you can't read, ( In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.)


You guys are funny, if someone post something you don't want to believe or hear you ask for a site, then when given the site you say it's bias because who printed it. You want to see it in a right wingnut article but nobody can find it. GEE I WONDER WHY, you can't find anything in the republican sites you visit for your news, I REALLY WONDER WHY. LOL you guys are real funny.

Actually, I didn't say it was biased because of who printed it. Yahoo does a pretty good job of presenting news. Nor, did I say there was a problem with the slant. I only commented that the author was leaning left. I said it was biased because of the way the author wrote it. Anyone that even reads part of it will see that Ms. Hailley was extremely biased with her tone. Edit: also the reason one asks for a link/site is just so that one can see what the take the author takes on an article.

I'm actually surprised that any state has same day registration. I did not know that was possible. According to Wiki, 10 states do have such provisions:

Election Day voter registration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ten states have some form of Election Day voter registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming and Washington DC. Montana began Election Day voter registration in 2006, North Carolina in 2007, and Iowa in 2008. Connecticut also has Election Day registration, but only for presidential elections. (North Dakota, unique among the states, has no voter registration requirement at all.)

Immie

 

[Care4all]

First off, when has a person ever been allowed to register at the polling place?

from above if you can't read, ( In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.)


You guys are funny, if someone post something you don't want to believe or hear you ask for a site, then when given the site you say it's bias because who printed it. You want to see it in a right wingnut article but nobody can find it. GEE I WONDER WHY, you can't find anything in the republican sites you visit for your news, I REALLY WONDER WHY. LOL you guys are real funny.

Actually, I didn't say it was biased because of who printed it. Yahoo does a pretty good job of presenting news. Nor, did I say there was a problem with the slant. I only commented that the author was leaning left. I said it was biased because of the way the author wrote it. Anyone that even reads part of it will see that Ms. Hailley was extremely biased with her tone. Edit: also the reason one asks for a link/site is just so that one can see what the take the author takes on an article.

I'm actually surprised that any state has same day registration. I did not know that was possible. According to Wiki, 10 states do have such provisions:

Election Day voter registration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ten states have some form of Election Day voter registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming and Washington DC. Montana began Election Day voter registration in 2006, North Carolina in 2007, and Iowa in 2008. Connecticut also has Election Day registration, but only for presidential elections. (North Dakota, unique among the states, has no voter registration requirement at all.)

Immie

Interesting that North Dakota has no voter Registration at all....

the past 2 states where i lived, no id was required...you went in to the voting precinct, they asked your name, your address and what party you belonged to...

I don't see how ANY voting fraud can take place if your name has to be on the voting register at the poll...

AND there have been ZERO CASES of voter fraud under this system?

Massachusetts also sent each voter a post card, prior to elections, requesting the voter to return the card, stating that all voter info they had on them was correct....if you moved, etc...you had to change your address on the card and return it so they could put you on the proper precinct registrar roll.

Why should States have to change their voting system to please some out of Staters....?

I believe it is up to each State to secure their own voting system....

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

 

[Immanuel]

First off, when has a person ever been allowed to register at the polling place?

from above if you can't read, ( In New Hampshire, Republicans are pushing to end rules that allow same-day voter registration in the state, which has often provided key swing votes for candidates from all parties in the state. State GOP lawmakers are also proposing new limits on students, including a bill that would allow them to vote in college towns only if they or their parents had established permanent residency in the state.)


You guys are funny, if someone post something you don't want to believe or hear you ask for a site, then when given the site you say it's bias because who printed it. You want to see it in a right wingnut article but nobody can find it. GEE I WONDER WHY, you can't find anything in the republican sites you visit for your news, I REALLY WONDER WHY. LOL you guys are real funny.

Actually, I didn't say it was biased because of who printed it. Yahoo does a pretty good job of presenting news. Nor, did I say there was a problem with the slant. I only commented that the author was leaning left. I said it was biased because of the way the author wrote it. Anyone that even reads part of it will see that Ms. Hailley was extremely biased with her tone. Edit: also the reason one asks for a link/site is just so that one can see what the take the author takes on an article.

I'm actually surprised that any state has same day registration. I did not know that was possible. According to Wiki, 10 states do have such provisions:

Election Day voter registration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ten states have some form of Election Day voter registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Wyoming and Washington DC. Montana began Election Day voter registration in 2006, North Carolina in 2007, and Iowa in 2008. Connecticut also has Election Day registration, but only for presidential elections. (North Dakota, unique among the states, has no voter registration requirement at all.)

Immie

Interesting that North Dakota has no voter Registration at all....

the past 2 states where i lived, no id was required...you went in to the voting precinct, they asked your name, your address and what party you belonged to...

I don't see how ANY voting fraud can take place if your name has to be on the voting register at the poll...

AND there have been ZERO CASES of voter fraud under this system?

Massachusetts also sent each voter a post card, prior to elections, requesting the voter to return the card, stating that all voter info they had on them was correct....if you moved, etc...you had to change your address on the card and return it so they could put you on the proper precinct registrar roll.

Why should States have to change their voting system to please some out of Staters....?

I believe it is up to each State to secure their own voting system....

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

Yes, I thought the same thing about North Dakota.

the past 2 states where i lived, no id was required...you went in to the voting precinct, they asked your name, your address and what party you belonged to...

Then what would stop a dishonest person in the registrar's office from informing the Republican Party that James Stevenson, living at 1818 Main St. in Anytown, MA has not voted in the last four elections, yet is still registered. Then for the Republican Party to send someone to the polling place and voting for Mr. Stevenson and everyone else that has not voted in X number of elections. Chances of getting caught are almost nil and the government would never pursue any case because they would not know about it.

AND there have been ZERO CASES of voter fraud under this system?

Not according to mn's article. It stated that there had been over 120 people charged and over 86 convictions. Although, it said the charges were mostly for people not knowing the laws.

Massachusetts also sent each voter a post card, prior to elections, requesting the voter to return the card, stating that all voter info they had on them was correct....if you moved, etc...you had to change your address on the card and return it so they could put you on the proper precinct registrar roll.

And if the card was returned by someone else claiming to be the registered voter who later voted for that person?

I believe it is up to each State to secure their own voting system....

So then, you would not have a problem with this if it was the state that chose to require photo id?

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

The photo Id proves that you are the registered voter you are claiming to be. It is not all that easy for David Larson to get an ID stating that he is the James Stevenson mentioned above but David could easily walk into a voting precinct and say he was James Stevenson, sign his name, vote for him and be gone with no one being the wiser of it.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

So, rather than address any fraud at all, you think we should ignore all of it?

Immie

 

[blastoff]

I'll tell you what I will give you 2000 dollars for each person who is convicted of voter fraud and you give me a dollar for everyone who votes who isn't arrested and convicted?

The truth is most voter fraud cases is someone who registered in two places but only voted in one. A lot of snow birds do this, being registered in their home state but leave early to a warm climate and register at the poll in another state.

You guys have spent many millions on trying to turn up voter fraud like its a real big thing and it's cost you about 50,000 a vote.

many poor people don't drive, don't have bank accounts and have little need for one. College kids have their college ID or an out of state DL, neither that the republicans want to accept. why because poor people and students mostly vote for democrats. It's a fact, you guys will do anything to get your way.

You are incredibly naive.

My ex-father-in-law hated election days in Chicago. He was in the plumbing and heating supply business there and pals with all the big names in Mayor Dick Daley's machine.

He would submit inflated sealed bids for city contracts and often won the contract in spite of the fact that others were likely less costly to the city. No bid deal though because no one knew what the other guy bid. Once he won the contract the inflated part of it went back to the pols in the form of cash under the table.

His reward for playing ball with that scum was every election day he had a list of precincts spread out all over the city and what name he was to use at each in order to cast "his" ballot. He'd be at it from the time the poles opened until they closed. He'd often vote 20 times or more an election. One guy, twenty+ votes. And God only knows how many others did the same thing, probably hundreds if not more.

Anyone who doesn't think voter I.D.s are needed is either stupid or a Dimocrat. Oops, sorry for being redundant.

 

[Synthaholic]

I certainly wish that a liberal, any liberal, such as yourself would tell me what you all have against a voter having to prove who he/she is before they vote. To me, it only makes sense that someone who comes to vote must prove who they are before they vote and that they have the legal right to do so.

The fact that you are so opposed to proper identification makes you all seem suspect.

Maybe you can tell me why you don't think a person should have to prove who they are in order to vote?

Immie

That's not the issue, Immie. It's things like, say, a student at Univ. Of Florida not being allowed to vote in Gainesville, but only in the Florida town they live in.

Bullshit like that.

I'm hoping that Democrats turn their attention to absentee voting to foil these blatant attempts to make it difficult for young people to vote.

Said student would have the right to vote absentee or to register in Gainesville. I do not see any reason why that would be a problem. But the requirement of having an ID had nothing to do with your scenario as that student would not be able to walk into the polls and cast a vote in Gainesville either way. He/she should not be allowed to with or without an ID.

I honestly cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with requiring a voter to produce identification. I do understand the argument that not everyone has ID's, but quite frankly, I think that is bogus and for the few that do not have proper identification or simply can't afford to get it, I have no problem with supplying it.

Immie

Maybe it would be best to just watch the report:

You can't vote them out if you can't vote

Rachel Maddow describes the techniques in the Republican strategy of limiting Democratic voter turnout by targeting likely Democratic voters.

Rachel Maddow Show​

 

[Immanuel]

That's not the issue, Immie. It's things like, say, a student at Univ. Of Florida not being allowed to vote in Gainesville, but only in the Florida town they live in.

Bullshit like that.

I'm hoping that Democrats turn their attention to absentee voting to foil these blatant attempts to make it difficult for young people to vote.

Said student would have the right to vote absentee or to register in Gainesville. I do not see any reason why that would be a problem. But the requirement of having an ID had nothing to do with your scenario as that student would not be able to walk into the polls and cast a vote in Gainesville either way. He/she should not be allowed to with or without an ID.

I honestly cannot understand why anyone would have a problem with requiring a voter to produce identification. I do understand the argument that not everyone has ID's, but quite frankly, I think that is bogus and for the few that do not have proper identification or simply can't afford to get it, I have no problem with supplying it.

Immie

Maybe it would be best to just watch the report:

You can't vote them out if you can't vote

Rachel Maddow describes the techniques in the Republican strategy of limiting Democratic voter turnout by targeting likely Democratic voters.

Rachel Maddow Show​

I have just started watching it, but before I watch nearly 10 minutes of this, will you promise me that I won't be watching 10 minutes of Rachel's normal stretching of the truth beyond all recognition? Wait, never mind, you can't make that promise. I'll watch a few minutes but I am not guaranteeing to watch all of it.

Immie

 

[Care4all]

Actually, I didn't say it was biased because of who printed it. Yahoo does a pretty good job of presenting news. Nor, did I say there was a problem with the slant. I only commented that the author was leaning left. I said it was biased because of the way the author wrote it. Anyone that even reads part of it will see that Ms. Hailley was extremely biased with her tone. Edit: also the reason one asks for a link/site is just so that one can see what the take the author takes on an article.

I'm actually surprised that any state has same day registration. I did not know that was possible. According to Wiki, 10 states do have such provisions:

Election Day voter registration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Immie

Interesting that North Dakota has no voter Registration at all....

the past 2 states where i lived, no id was required...you went in to the voting precinct, they asked your name, your address and what party you belonged to...

I don't see how ANY voting fraud can take place if your name has to be on the voting register at the poll...

AND there have been ZERO CASES of voter fraud under this system?

Massachusetts also sent each voter a post card, prior to elections, requesting the voter to return the card, stating that all voter info they had on them was correct....if you moved, etc...you had to change your address on the card and return it so they could put you on the proper precinct registrar roll.

Why should States have to change their voting system to please some out of Staters....?

I believe it is up to each State to secure their own voting system....

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

Yes, I thought the same thing about North Dakota.



Then what would stop a dishonest person in the registrar's office from informing the Republican Party that James Stevenson, living at 1818 Main St. in Anytown, MA has not voted in the last four elections, yet is still registered. Then for the Republican Party to send someone to the polling place and voting for Mr. Stevenson and everyone else that has not voted in X number of elections. Chances of getting caught are almost nil and the government would never pursue any case because they would not know about it.



Not according to mn's article. It stated that there had been over 120 people charged and over 86 convictions. Although, it said the charges were mostly for people not knowing the laws.



And if the card was returned by someone else claiming to be the registered voter who later voted for that person?



So then, you would not have a problem with this if it was the state that chose to require photo id?

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

The photo Id proves that you are the registered voter you are claiming to be. It is not all that easy for David Larson to get an ID stating that he is the James Stevenson mentioned above but David could easily walk into a voting precinct and say he was James Stevenson, sign his name, vote for him and be gone with no one being the wiser of it.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

So, rather than address any fraud at all, you think we should ignore all of it?

Immie

can you find the many cases where someone walked in to a voting precinct and voted in another registered voters place, and show them to us....? There should be prosecutions of said law breakers....?

at this point I could care less if states change their own laws on ID, but I still stand by that it is only a distraction, to the REAL voter fraud that IS taking place....

*oooops

i just reread your post....

 

[Immanuel]

Exemption from the Texas law for people with Concealed Carry Permits?

Oh Lord, although I still agree that voters should be required to produce picture ID's, if that is an exemption that is below pond scum level politicking.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Interesting that North Dakota has no voter Registration at all....

the past 2 states where i lived, no id was required...you went in to the voting precinct, they asked your name, your address and what party you belonged to...

I don't see how ANY voting fraud can take place if your name has to be on the voting register at the poll...

AND there have been ZERO CASES of voter fraud under this system?

Massachusetts also sent each voter a post card, prior to elections, requesting the voter to return the card, stating that all voter info they had on them was correct....if you moved, etc...you had to change your address on the card and return it so they could put you on the proper precinct registrar roll.

Why should States have to change their voting system to please some out of Staters....?

I believe it is up to each State to secure their own voting system....

What good is a driver's license with a picture on it when illegals and foreign legals can get one and do hold them? How is a pictured driver's license going to stop voter fraud....? It won't.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

Yes, I thought the same thing about North Dakota.



Then what would stop a dishonest person in the registrar's office from informing the Republican Party that James Stevenson, living at 1818 Main St. in Anytown, MA has not voted in the last four elections, yet is still registered. Then for the Republican Party to send someone to the polling place and voting for Mr. Stevenson and everyone else that has not voted in X number of elections. Chances of getting caught are almost nil and the government would never pursue any case because they would not know about it.



Not according to mn's article. It stated that there had been over 120 people charged and over 86 convictions. Although, it said the charges were mostly for people not knowing the laws.



And if the card was returned by someone else claiming to be the registered voter who later voted for that person?



So then, you would not have a problem with this if it was the state that chose to require photo id?



The photo Id proves that you are the registered voter you are claiming to be. It is not all that easy for David Larson to get an ID stating that he is the James Stevenson mentioned above but David could easily walk into a voting precinct and say he was James Stevenson, sign his name, vote for him and be gone with no one being the wiser of it.

It is a distraction, that does not address the voter fraud issues that CAN take place, through absentee ballot voting and through the voter registration process....long before anyone shows up at the polls....imho

So, rather than address any fraud at all, you think we should ignore all of it?

Immie

can you find the many cases where someone walked in to a voting precinct and voted in another registered voters place, and show them to us....? There should be prosecutions of said law breakers....?

at this point I could care less if states change their own laws on ID, but I still stand by that it is only a distraction, to the REAL voter fraud that IS taking place....

Does it really matter if 0, 1 or 1,000,000 people have done it before. Laws are developed to lessen or eliminate to possibility of something that we deem to be immoral from happening. It does not matter one little bit how many times it has happened in the past, what matters is the possibility that it can happen in the future.

Now, I have answered your questions, please answer mine. Why are liberals so opposed to providing voter identification at the polls? I can tell you that there is only one reason I can come up with and you liberals won't like my answer.

Immie