Voter Fraud Hype: The GOP War On Voting Rights

[Steelplate]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

Put your fucking money where your mouth is.... You guys keep saying shit like this.... and provide no credible evidence.... only hearsay and Beckian bullshit.

 

[Article 15]

Make voting mandatory.

 

[Claudette]

Nothing wrong with showing an ID before you vote. In fact its an excellent idea. One has to wonder why the DOJ thinks it isn't??

Good way to keep it honest on both sides.

 

[Conservative]

Voter ID laws are common sense - CNN
Unsurprisingly, 69% of 1,000 likely voters, according to a recent Rasmussen poll, believe voters should be required to show photo identification before being allowed to vote.

But Democrats in Washington disagree.

 

[Conservative]

Democratic Party Boxes | Artur Davis | Voter Fraud | The Daily Caller
But former Alabama Democratic Rep. Artur Davis told The Daily Caller that anti-fraud measures are needed to protect African-Americans from corrupt political bosses — many of them African-Americans themselves — who run Democratic Party machines in the South.

“What I have seen in my state, in my region, is the the most aggressive practitioners of voter-fraud are local machines who are tied lock, stock and barrel to the special interests in their communities — the landfills, the casino operators — and they’re cooking the [ballot] boxes on election day, they’re manufacturing absentee ballots, they’re voting [in the names of] people named Donald Duck, because they want to control politics and thwart progress,” he told TheDC.

“People who are progressives have no business defending those individuals.”

 

[daveman]

How much voter fraud is acceptable? How much would it take for you to find it unacceptable?

Any reasonable amount that does not affect the outcome of an election and doesn't disenfranchise legal voters from exercising their rights. Few things in life have zero margin of error. I consider 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years to be totally acceptable.

The Cutting Edge News

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.​

That is not acceptable.

Here's the GAO report, page 42-43:

AOUSC officials and federal jury administrators we spoke with generally
did not have exact data on the number of people called for jury service
that responded that they were non-citizens. Consequently, no information
was available from federal jury administrators in six U.S. district courts,
but federal jury administrators in eight U.S. district courts provided either
exact numbers or estimates. Of the eight district courts, four federal jury
administrators said no one had been disqualified from jury service because
they were not U.S. citizens. In the other four district courts:

• a federal jury administrator in one U.S. district court estimated that 1 to
3 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 30,000 over 2 years (about
300 to 900 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a second U.S. district court estimated
that less than 1 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 35,000 names
each month (less than 350 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a third U.S. district court estimated that
about 150 people out of a jury pool of 95,000 names over 2 years said
they were not U.S. citizens; and
• a federal jury administrator in a fourth U.S. district court estimated that
annually about 5 people typically claimed non-citizenship in a jury pool
of about 50,000 individuals.​

Of the 14 U.S. district courts contacted, only the jury administrator for the
Eastern District of Virginia provided feedback to voter registration
authorities if a prospective juror claimed not to be a U.S. citizen.​

 

[Stephanie]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

Other than typical wingnut spin, do you have any "credible" facts to back up your claims?

there is no sense providing anything to you..you just beleive everything a left wing rag and newpaper tells you anyway..Independent thinking isn't your strong suit.

 

[Intense]

Make voting mandatory.

So much for Liberty.

 

[Article 15]

Make voting mandatory.

So much for Liberty.

 

[Truthmatters]

funny thing, the republicans are not requiring id to vote in the primaries.

Its only repubilcans voting so they dont want to disenfranchise any of them.

 

[candycorn]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

The truth is that "millions of voters" hardly ever vote at one time. A great many elections are in the low thousands. So your idiotic "6.22" is just that...idiotic. There is precisely one election involving 50 states, usually less than 10-20 involving even an entire state....

There has never been a good explanation as to why anyone would require voting registration but be against having to show ID to cast a ballot.

If you could provide a good explanation...you'd be the first.

 

[Truthmatters]

why do you lie about it?

 

[Truthmatters]

Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

 

[Intense]

How much voter fraud is acceptable? How much would it take for you to find it unacceptable?

Any reasonable amount that does not affect the outcome of an election and doesn't disenfranchise legal voters from exercising their rights. Few things in life have zero margin of error. I consider 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years to be totally acceptable.

The Cutting Edge News

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden*tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.​

That is not acceptable.

Here's the GAO report, page 42-43:

AOUSC officials and federal jury administrators we spoke with generally
did not have exact data on the number of people called for jury service
that responded that they were non-citizens. Consequently, no information
was available from federal jury administrators in six U.S. district courts,
but federal jury administrators in eight U.S. district courts provided either
exact numbers or estimates. Of the eight district courts, four federal jury
administrators said no one had been disqualified from jury service because
they were not U.S. citizens. In the other four district courts:

• a federal jury administrator in one U.S. district court estimated that 1 to
3 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 30,000 over 2 years (about
300 to 900 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a second U.S. district court estimated
that less than 1 percent of the people out of a jury pool of 35,000 names
each month (less than 350 people) said they were not U.S. citizens;
• a federal jury administrator in a third U.S. district court estimated that
about 150 people out of a jury pool of 95,000 names over 2 years said
they were not U.S. citizens; and
• a federal jury administrator in a fourth U.S. district court estimated that
annually about 5 people typically claimed non-citizenship in a jury pool
of about 50,000 individuals.​

Of the 14 U.S. district courts contacted, only the jury administrator for the
Eastern District of Virginia provided feedback to voter registration
authorities if a prospective juror claimed not to be a U.S. citizen.​

The jokes on us, right? The last time I showed up for Jury Duty it reminded me of a Saturday Night Live skit. I felt sorry for the Administrator that could not even pronounce the names. Tons of non English speaking people, showing up at the wrong date or the wrong court. They would figure it out over a 10-40 minute period and get up and leave. Usually after having it explained a dozen times. They showed the movie "Grease" for us in the morning and as a special treat, because our group was so worthy, "Forrest Gump" in the afternoon.

A normal person might think that Non-English speaking People may have questionable Citizenship status, but one has to factor in that we are dealing with Government Union Employees here, and that it is unfair to have any expectations there, you know, a work environment where one would be reprimanded for the crime of Individual Reason.

 

[Stephanie]

why do you lie about it?

what? your thread wasn't getting any traction?

 

[Truthmatters]

Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com


this is a post election study and PROVES voters are disenfranchised by the ID laws

 

[Intense]

Study: South Carolina voter ID law hit black precincts hardest - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

What statistics don't you manipulate?

 

[Truthmatters]

GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down' - Los Angeles Times

 

[Intense]

PROVES

 

[Truthmatters]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw]Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo) - YouTube[/ame]