Voter Fraud Hype: The GOP War On Voting Rights

[DaGoose]

You didnt account for all the cases dropped by democrats. Or failing to prosecute.

How many would that be? Obviously you have the data to support your hypothesis.

Has anyone tallied the over votes throughout the country?

In our State it is perfectly acceptable to avg a thousand votes more then voters. The excuse is it happens every election.

 

[Full-Auto]

How many would that be? Obviously you have the data to support your hypothesis.

Has anyone tallied the over votes throughout the country?

In our State it is perfectly acceptable to avg a thousand votes more then voters. The excuse is it happens every election.

Washington state governors race 2004

Look up the secretary's remarks, hes even a repub.

 

[Lakhota]

Ya know, it would help the discussion if you righties provided some "credible" proof of your claims about dead people voting and overvoting...

 

[Old Rocks]

You didnt account for all the cases dropped by democrats. Or failing to prosecute.

How many would that be? Obviously you have the data to support your hypothesis.

Has anyone tallied the over votes throughout the country?

In our State it is perfectly acceptable to avg a thousand votes more then voters. The excuse is it happens every election.

All you have presented is flap-yap. Going to link to some evidence for your assertations? Or do you just prefer to be known as a lying troll?

 

[Full-Auto]

Ya know, it would help the discussion if you righties provided some "credible" proof of your claims about dead people voting and overvoting...

Search engines are a wonderful thing.

Use them.........

Note I mentioned it was a repub. The guys staying power is amazing. I have never heard of any democrat upset with him.

 

[bripat9643]

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence

Only congenital morons are buying the argument that requiring proper ID constitutes "voter suppression."

The only reason Dems are fighting this requirement is the fact that they benefit massively from voter fraud.

The facts are too obvious to deny.

 

[Full-Auto]

How many would that be? Obviously you have the data to support your hypothesis.

Has anyone tallied the over votes throughout the country?

In our State it is perfectly acceptable to avg a thousand votes more then voters. The excuse is it happens every election.

All you have presented is flap-yap. Going to link to some evidence for your assertations? Or do you just prefer to be known as a lying troll?

Yawn.

 

[Old Rocks]

A weasel faced nasty little bastard.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw]Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bripat9643]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ya know, it would help the discussion if you righties provided some "credible" proof of your claims about dead people voting and overvoting...

Search engines are a wonderful thing.

Use them.........

Note I mentioned it was a repub. The guys staying power is amazing. I have never heard of any democrat upset with him.

Fellow, I just presented evidence that you assholes are actively engaged in voter suppression in the words from one of your leaders. That was the plan then, and it is still the plan today.

 

[Old Rocks]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

Flap-yap. That is all you silly cretins have.

 

[Full-Auto]

Ya know, it would help the discussion if you righties provided some "credible" proof of your claims about dead people voting and overvoting...

Search engines are a wonderful thing.

Use them.........

Note I mentioned it was a repub. The guys staying power is amazing. I have never heard of any democrat upset with him.

Fellow, I just presented evidence that you assholes are actively engaged in voter suppression in the words from one of your leaders. That was the plan then, and it is still the plan today.

You assholes? Your Leaders? You havent learned a damn thing have you?

 

[Old Rocks]

Well yes, I have been learning what assholes many of the right wingnuts are for nearly 70 years. From Pegler to Limpbaugh.

 

[Lakhota]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

Other than typical wingnut spin, do you have any "credible" facts to back up your claims?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence

By Steve Benen

To rationalize the "war on voting," Republican policymakers point to the scourge of voter fraud. The problem, of course, is that the allegations of fraud are largely imaginary, and GOP officials are really just looking for excuses to block traditionally-Democratic constituencies from voting.

But wait, Republicans say, occasionally there really is fraud. In fact, the Republican National Lawyers Association (RNLA) released a report last week to document all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted over the last decade.

And what did the group turn up? A grand total of 311 cases. Given the larger national context -- over 131 million Americans voted in 2008, for example -- that's an infinitesimally small number.

But as Julia Krieger explained, that's really just the start of the problems with the RNLA's findings.

What's more, the RNLA is dishonestly representing their data when they describe it as "in the past decade": A quick gander at the website's evidence shows citations going as far back as 1997. Although they claim to have evidence of 46 states with voter fraud prosecutions in the last decade, their website only lists 44 states. For two of those 44, there are only examples from the 1990s up to 2000, bringing the state count down to 42. To be clear, that's eight states where they identified no instances of voter fraud in the last decade.

Further, the RNLA brags: "The RNLA webpage presents evidence that there were at least seventeen cases involving prosecutions for non-citizen voting in 2005 just in one state: Florida." However, according to the Department of Justice, at least four of the seventeen cases they list were dismissed.​

Remember, we're talking about a Republican group taking its best shot at this. RNLA officials could take their time to do as much comprehensive research as they wanted, they could define their terms to their liking; they could massage the results to match their pre-determined conclusion; and they still couldn't make much of a case.

And if the RNLA thinks these 311 cases from the last decade -- some of which weren't from the last decade, some of which were cases that got thrown out of court, some of which may have very well have been innocent mistakes -- justify a national campaign to restrict Americans' access to their own democracy, they're wildly misguided.

Republicans support all kinds of new voting restrictions -- voter-ID laws, severe limits on voter-registration drives, closing early-voting windows, strict new limits on absentee ballots -- because they find it easier to rig voter eligibility than to win elections fair and square. It's why all of these restrictions affect traditionally Democratic constituencies.

GOP officials can keep defending a foolish pretense about imaginary fraud, but there's no reason for anyone else to take it seriously.

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence | AlterNet

Supporting Links:

The GOP War on Voting | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Myth of Voter Fraud - New York Times

Meanwhile the DOJ believes its racist to expect an individual to have to show an ID to vote.

Of course because the progressive party survives on fraudulent votes. They don't want a situation where illegals cant vote or ACORN members cant vote 10-15 times a pop..

Democrats are NOTORIOUS for their voter fraud...

Republicans are tying to fix that shit...

ACORN already got popped registering people up to 100+ times under random names...

That is 100+ votes right there if no ID was required for a ballot..

 

[Full-Auto]

Well yes, I have been learning what assholes many of the right wingnuts are for nearly 70 years. From Pegler to Limpbaugh.

If the party does it, you are OK with it. You defend everything.

Compromise means 25 trillion in debt by 2020

OH GOODIE!!

 

[Intense]

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence

By Steve Benen

To rationalize the "war on voting," Republican policymakers point to the scourge of voter fraud. The problem, of course, is that the allegations of fraud are largely imaginary, and GOP officials are really just looking for excuses to block traditionally-Democratic constituencies from voting.

But wait, Republicans say, occasionally there really is fraud. In fact, the Republican National Lawyers Association (RNLA) released a report last week to document all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted over the last decade.

And what did the group turn up? A grand total of 311 cases. Given the larger national context -- over 131 million Americans voted in 2008, for example -- that's an infinitesimally small number.

But as Julia Krieger explained, that's really just the start of the problems with the RNLA's findings.

What's more, the RNLA is dishonestly representing their data when they describe it as "in the past decade": A quick gander at the website's evidence shows citations going as far back as 1997. Although they claim to have evidence of 46 states with voter fraud prosecutions in the last decade, their website only lists 44 states. For two of those 44, there are only examples from the 1990s up to 2000, bringing the state count down to 42. To be clear, that's eight states where they identified no instances of voter fraud in the last decade.

Further, the RNLA brags: "The RNLA webpage presents evidence that there were at least seventeen cases involving prosecutions for non-citizen voting in 2005 just in one state: Florida." However, according to the Department of Justice, at least four of the seventeen cases they list were dismissed.​

Remember, we're talking about a Republican group taking its best shot at this. RNLA officials could take their time to do as much comprehensive research as they wanted, they could define their terms to their liking; they could massage the results to match their pre-determined conclusion; and they still couldn't make much of a case.

And if the RNLA thinks these 311 cases from the last decade -- some of which weren't from the last decade, some of which were cases that got thrown out of court, some of which may have very well have been innocent mistakes -- justify a national campaign to restrict Americans' access to their own democracy, they're wildly misguided.

Republicans support all kinds of new voting restrictions -- voter-ID laws, severe limits on voter-registration drives, closing early-voting windows, strict new limits on absentee ballots -- because they find it easier to rig voter eligibility than to win elections fair and square. It's why all of these restrictions affect traditionally Democratic constituencies.

GOP officials can keep defending a foolish pretense about imaginary fraud, but there's no reason for anyone else to take it seriously.

Easier for GOP to Rig Voting Than Win Elections Fairly: Voter Restrictions Based on Shoddy Evidence | AlterNet

Supporting Links:

The GOP War on Voting | Politics News | Rolling Stone

The Myth of Voter Fraud - New York Times

You are a hack and cannot be trusted. You have no real argument and no moral ground in obstructing the establishment of Honest Election practices, from Registration, to Voting, to Tabulation. You are the problem. You have no excuse, only schemes, scams, and fraud.

 

[Intense]

Well yes, I have been learning what assholes many of the right wingnuts are for nearly 70 years. From Pegler to Limpbaugh.

If the party does it, you are OK with it. You defend everything.

Compromise means 25 trillion in debt by 2020

OH GOODIE!!

He is a dishonest bigoted Prick. Why waste your time???

 

[bripat9643]

Let's do some math: 311 cases of voter fraud prosecuted since 1997. Divide that by 50 states = 6.22 violations per state. Divide that by 14 years = 0.4 (less than 1) violations per year per state over 14 years.

Does that sound serious to anyone? Is that worthy of disenfranchising millions of voters?

Those are only the people who have been caught. For everyone caught, there are at least 10 people who didn't get caught, and a case can involve thousands of illegal votes.

Other than typical wingnut spin, do you have any "credible" facts to back up your claims?

There's plenty of evidence, but a super tanker full wouldn't convince any of the liberal turds in here. Intelligent people understand the need for proper ID to prevent fraud. There are thousands of situations where ID is required. Even school children laugh at claim that it's "onerous" to require ID for voting

 

[Lakhota]

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