geauxtohell
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Except with pregnant women's personal health rights in regards to their pregnancies. This would be barred from evidence, by Supreme Court ruling. Roe V. Wade.
I am not a lawyer, and don't play one on the internet, so maybe you are right. I have my suspicions though. If the results of a UA were not admissible, then there would be no point in involving child protective services since it would no be something the woman could be prosecuted for.
Only because it is drugs.. And only if the drugs are not prescribed to her. It is not illegal to have alcohol in one's system, at any stage of pregnancy, so this does not mandate suspicion of abuse or neglect.
I agree, with the exception that a woman that drinks during her pregnancy is neglecting her child if she wants to carry it to term.
If you claim this to be true across the board for UA tests and blood tests, then what about blood tests with aspirin in them, also??
I just said UA for illegal drugs.
For god's sake, its not fucking ABUSE or NEGLECT to take aspirin.
Don't be intentionally obtuse.
Just because the woman is pregnant does not make her a fucking petri dish for everyone to try to find some ridiculous reason to prosecute her for fucking neglect, over whatever she puts into her system, LEGALLY. Stop trying to ADD something to my argument that does not exist. The reporting of ANYONE is mandatory if they have illegal drugs in their system. That is because illegal drugs are ILLEGAL.
Right. I never said anything to the contrary. I never said it was illegal for a pregnant woman to have alcohol in her system. I just mentioned illegal drugs.
Its not a fucking child. And no doctor will get that opportunity, if she is an irresponsible druggie, the way you depict her to be.
I never depicted anyone in any way. I just stated a fact. Though, I do think you are irresponsible if you test positive for methamphetamine when you present for delivery.
Agreed, but lets just say that the woman eats a bagel every morning that happens to have poppy seeds on it. She will test positive for opiates. If she eats a lot of strawberries, or smokes Clove cigarettes, she will test positive for THC.
That's why there are intentionally high micron counts for positive tests on amphetamines, THC, and opiates.
This stuff is naturally occurring and is NOT conclusive that someone is a druggie or is being neglectful or abusive, in the first place.
I never said it did, just that it warranted a visit from social services, when I say warranted I am not necessarily agreeing with it. Just saying that is what happened.
Besides, a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law. That means that the prosecution must also prove that whatever problems happened to a stillborn fetus/ just born infant who died, did not occur from natural circumstances. Drug use and fetal alcohol syndrome are facades to facilitate legal actions against women based purely on circumstantial evidence. That is fucking bullshit.
Innocent if the woman is charged and tired. As for cause of death, that is why autopsies are performed. The same legal standard would apply here as in any other similar situation. I disagree with your last two statements. There is a duty to protest a fetus from potential abuse and that includes drug use. A positive UA is also not circumstantial evidence.
It isn't NEW. I never said it was, anyways. I was saying it is LIKE down's syndrome, in many ways. It is only recently that the cause of the SYMPTOMS of Down's were figured out. That took almost a hundred years. How many kids were wrongly diagnosed during that 100 years anyways..
Who knows, but I get you point. I must have misunderstood your original comments.
And yes the sites I gave you show that Fetal Alcohol syndrome is related to a thyroid dysfunction. How else do you think women who did not drink alcohol ended up having babies with FAS?
Misdiagnosis.
Christ!! FAS can happen from someone drinking non alcoholic drinks and eating regular food. Explain to me how you would prosecute women who are mothers to babies born with this condition, then. C'mon, you can do it.
In the same manner that any other case would be prosecuted. With witnesses, evidence, etc.
And YOU failed to see the big picture here, that hypothyroidism is not LIMITED to women who drink.
I never said it was. That would be an absurd statement. However, if a sober woman comes in and tests for a normal thyroid (and alcohol does mess with thyroid function) and then chronically drinks during pregnancy, there is no way for Drs. to know that she is (potentially) suppressing her thyroid.
Even if there is no link, it's beyond dispute that alchohol is harmful to fetuses.
So is Retin-A, prescription narcotics, and a lot of other drugs. I don't see why this is an issue. The general concept is for the mother to avoid doing things that harm her fetus. Most mothers would want to do that.
Untreated hypothyroidism can cause serious problems for an unborn child, so many experts recommend that all pregnant women be tested for thyroid function during the pregnancy.
Yeah, "recommend" is a nice way of saying, "your physician is a bonehead and you should sue his ass if he doesn't do this".
As soon as fetus rights begin to trump women's rights to privacy and freedom, using this bullshit excuse of a condition, Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, as a means to incarcerate them, I will be on y'all's asses for not forcing all pregnant women to get their thyroid tested as early as is reasonably possible, as well.
Don't misrepresent me. I am pro-choice. I am also anti-doing-things-to-harm-an-otherwise-health-baby.
As far as I know, thyroid tests are a standard of care, just as are starting prenatal vitamins and folate.
Physicians aren't prosecuted for breaching a standard of care, but they are sued, etc.
This is GOING to happen. Fetuses do not ALL have FAS, even if they have the same symptoms. Not all kids diagnosed with ADHD have that, either, even if they were diagnosed and show the symptoms.
Agreed. I never claimed that physicians were perfect.
Stop being an asshat, and take a look around you.
Now that's not very nice.