Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

[The T]

The Obama isn't a dupe, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing...he just sold us out to Russians.

gives ya all a tingle like the one Up Chrissy Matthews leg?

And now the Russians aren't in such a hurry. The Russians are taking Bammy and US for a ride and laughing their asses off.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is one of those classic wingnut issues, where, pretty much, when all is said and done, the only ones left on the nay side of the issue are a bunch of rightwing internet crackpots.

Said by someone who cant even explain why the agreement is needed or how we benefit from it.

This isn't the 1970s cold war. This is a different decade, a different century, Heck a different millinium. Maybe we should focus on finding solutions for todays problems instead?

I thought loose nukes was one of today's problems.

 

[NYcarbineer]

North Korea and Iran belie that argument.

Well not really.

North Korea may have done a test recently where they blew up a mountain top. From what I can gather it looks like the testers may have gotten blown up too. It looks like they may have several very crude nukes they can't really launch very far..because they have a crappy delivery system. And Iran is behind North Korea in terms of that sort of technology.

Add in..having the Russians on our side to exude pressure on these countries essentially guarantees that the production of nukes will be severly hindered if not stopped completely.

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

 

[Jarhead]

Well not really.

North Korea may have done a test recently where they blew up a mountain top. From what I can gather it looks like the testers may have gotten blown up too. It looks like they may have several very crude nukes they can't really launch very far..because they have a crappy delivery system. And Iran is behind North Korea in terms of that sort of technology.

Add in..having the Russians on our side to exude pressure on these countries essentially guarantees that the production of nukes will be severly hindered if not stopped completely.

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Well, if you want to play that game...

Exactly when did we declare "the cold war" on the Soviet Union and the eastern block countries?

I do not recall congress voting on such a declaration.

It is a sign of weakness in a debate when one must pick apart the words being used and not the actual opinion being expressed.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Well not really.

North Korea may have done a test recently where they blew up a mountain top. From what I can gather it looks like the testers may have gotten blown up too. It looks like they may have several very crude nukes they can't really launch very far..because they have a crappy delivery system. And Iran is behind North Korea in terms of that sort of technology.

Add in..having the Russians on our side to exude pressure on these countries essentially guarantees that the production of nukes will be severly hindered if not stopped completely.

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Where have you been? Can you please direct me towards the USSR? You remember them, that non existent Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. The one that fell apart like a leggo set hit with a baseball bat.....

 

[The T]

Interesting in the article I posted that the Russian head of the State Duma's foreign affairs committee says that the reason for the delay is a required three readings before their final approval.

Why are our lawmakers always in such a rush?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Nobody's taking Obama serious, save the 13% who still give Congress a thumbs up.

He's a joke. And a really bad one at that.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Interesting in the article I posted that the Russian head of the State Duma's foreign affairs committee says that the reason for the delay is a required three readings before their final approval.

Why are our lawmakers always in such a rush?

Ideology over country... always.

 

[The T]

Interesting in the article I posted that the Russian head of the State Duma's foreign affairs committee says that the reason for the delay is a required three readings before their final approval.

Why are our lawmakers always in such a rush?

Ideology over country... always.

Indeed.

Board rules prohibit REP at this time...

 

[The T]

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Where have you been? Can you please direct me towards the USSR? You remember them, that non existent Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. The one that fell apart like a leggo set hit with a baseball bat.....

A good number of posters here are either too young to remember them and the proxy wars we fought against them...or total applauding apologists for them happy to see the US weakened...finally to thier twisted delight.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Interesting all of the Obama haters ignore that the Bushes and their secretaries of states think the START needed to be passed now. The haters' asses are hanging out.

 

[The T]

Interesting all of the Obama haters ignore that the Bushes and their secretaries of states think the START needed to be passed now. The haters' asses are hanging out.

Some of us are beyond the hang-ups with BUSH, and his apparent misdeeds. What has this to do with the NOW Fakey?

I suggest you get over BUSH.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Where have you been? Can you please direct me towards the USSR? You remember them, that non existent Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. The one that fell apart like a leggo set hit with a baseball bat.....

And how large is Russia NOW? How many nuclear weapons capable of hitting U.S. targets does Russia have NOW? How large is the population of Russia NOW? How many men in arms does Russia have NOW?

Tell me again how we won?

This crap about winning the Cold War would be like saying we would have won World War II if in 1940 Hitler had given back Poland and Czechoslovia and then continued on with his business.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Interesting all of the Obama haters ignore that the Bushes and their secretaries of states think the START needed to be passed now. The haters' asses are hanging out.

Some of us are beyond the hang-ups with BUSH, and his apparent misdeeds. What has this to do with the NOW Fakey?

I suggest you get over BUSH.

So NOW Iraq was a 'misdeed'?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Russians are on nobody's side but the Russians. They are still very embarrassed by the perception that they lost the Cold War.

George W. Bush was duped by Putin, and now Obama has been duped.

We will be far better off politically when we stop underestimating the Russians.

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Well, if you want to play that game...

Exactly when did we declare "the cold war" on the Soviet Union and the eastern block countries?

I do not recall congress voting on such a declaration.

It is a sign of weakness in a debate when one must pick apart the words being used and not the actual opinion being expressed.

So you agree that anyone who says Reagan won the Cold War is full of shit.

Fair enough. Good concession on your part.

 

[The T]

Interesting all of the Obama haters ignore that the Bushes and their secretaries of states think the START needed to be passed now. The haters' asses are hanging out.

Some of us are beyond the hang-ups with BUSH, and his apparent misdeeds. What has this to do with the NOW Fakey?

I suggest you get over BUSH.

So NOW Iraq was a 'misdeed'?

lol

Said nothing of IRAQ...you did. Nice attempt at obfuscation.

 

[rdean]

Fail Prez. is FAIL.



U.S. Naval Institute - December 23, 2010

President Barack Obama was outmaneuvered by the Russians and should have abandoned the New START negotiations instead of seeking a political victory, says former nuclear plans monitor Vice Admiral Jerry Miller, USN (Ret).

“The Obama administration is continuing a dated policy in which we cannot even unilaterally reduce our own inventory of weapons and delivery systems without being on parity with the Russians,” Miller told the U.S. Naval Institute in Annapolis, Md. “We could give up plenty of deployed delivery systems and not adversely affect our national security one bit, but New START prohibits such action - so we are now stuck with some outmoded and useless elements in our nuke force.”

After meeting resistance from several Republicans, the U.S. Senate ratified the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia by a vote of 71-26 on Wednesday.

Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START | U.S. Naval Institute

That's hilarious. A right wing gay Hispanic who lies out his ass for, get this, Republicans. The party that either wants to "send him back" or "make him a criminal" or "both".

But what is true is that this treaty has been debated significantly, and there have been 18 hearings. There have been over 900 questions for the record from virtually any senator that wanted to offer a question.

The Status Of The New START Treaty : NPR

Get that? 18 hearings and 900 questions. But it was "rushed".

Believe me, you are just the kind of "recruit" the right wing is looking for.

You know that it's OK to "debate" something. But you have to have facts. Keep working and you will be a "MASTER" Debater, but I don't think you will ever be a "CUNNING" Linguist.

 

[Jarhead]

The Russians lost the Cold War? How is that, exactly? What did they lose, exactly? I don't recall that surrender ceremony. How can it be that a country we supposedly defeated in a war still retains virtually the same capability to destroy us that they had during the war.

Well, if you want to play that game...

Exactly when did we declare "the cold war" on the Soviet Union and the eastern block countries?

I do not recall congress voting on such a declaration.

It is a sign of weakness in a debate when one must pick apart the words being used and not the actual opinion being expressed.

So you agree that anyone who says Reagan won the Cold War is full of shit.

Fair enough. Good concession on your part.

Actually, unlike you, I do not examine the exact meaning of the words used....I, instead, take into consideration the spirit of what is actually being expressed.

So I guess when you say that someone is as quick as lightening...you actually mean that they run at the speed of 186,000 miles per second.

Pathetic attempt to divert from the err of your post.

 

[kiwiman127]

Missile defense..doesn't work.

But makes the good people at Raytheon very very happy.

Obama shouldn't have bargained away missile defense.

That made him an idiot.
Missile defense was the best hope of ending the threat of nuclear annihilation.

The combustion engine once didn't work...manned flight didn't work...computers didn't work...microchips didn't work...right up until the day they did.

Should we have stopped working on any of them because they didn't work?

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This really kills me. "That made him an idiot".
OK, here we have the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all of the Nato Commanders, all former Secretary of States, the IAEA, and all former Presidents of the US supporting START as it is and the right wing ideological willing idiots think Obama is the idiot!
And the far right thinks they know more? Who do they have that has the experience and knowledge to counter those who supported the NOW done deal called START.

 

[The T]

Missile defense..doesn't work.

But makes the good people at Raytheon very very happy.

Obama shouldn't have bargained away missile defense.

That made him an idiot.
Missile defense was the best hope of ending the threat of nuclear annihilation.

The combustion engine once didn't work...manned flight didn't work...computers didn't work...microchips didn't work...right up until the day they did.

Should we have stopped working on any of them because they didn't work?

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This really kills me. "That made him an idiot".
OK, here we have the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all of the Nato Commanders, all former Secretary of States, the IAEA, and all former Presidents of the US supporting START as it is and the right wing ideological willing idiots think Obama is the idiot!
And the far right thinks they know more? Who do they have that has the experience and knowledge to counter those who supported the NOW done deal called START.

Do you know that ALL of those contained in your list are 'right wing' or are you playing a game of assumption based upon thier positions?