Vermont Going To Single Payer By 2017. Kicking Health Insurance Companies Out

[lutraphile]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

 

[RKMBrown]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

ROFL ROFL ROFL Liar. That communist WHO is full of shit. Ranking is based on the US counting infant deaths and the rest of the world ignoring them. Ranking is based on what people get for free vs what is available for fee. TOTAL BULLSHIT. The USA spends what they fucking want to spend on health care you fool.

you marxist POS ass holes are full of it ... look at me look at me we get more for less by screwing over everyone... oh the humanity. You effers can't wipe your own asses without taxing for it first.

 

[Judicial review]

We'll since anybody with common sense knows a single payers system idea is dead, this discussion is also dead.

 

[Darkwind]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Do you even understand the concept that comparing a apple to a paramecium will return incoherent data?

Get back to us when you have an apple to apple comparison of people, systems, lifestyles, and methodology.

 

[Listening]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

 

[lutraphile]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

 

[RKMBrown]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

ROFL OMFG ROFL you must rate in your country, cause over here you would not even rate pond scum. Does your mommy still cut your meat for you?

 

[RKMBrown]

Cuba ROFL..

 

[lutraphile]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

ROFL OMFG ROFL you must rate in your country, cause over here you would not even rate pond scum. Does your mommy still cut your meat for you?

Once again, what a mature and cogent rebuttal.

 

[RKMBrown]

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

ROFL OMFG ROFL you must rate in your country, cause over here you would not even rate pond scum. Does your mommy still cut your meat for you?

Once again, what a mature and cogent rebuttal.

rebutal to "cuba has excellent health care?" ROFL what a fucking moron.

 

[Listening]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

That is to much.

I work in statistics you dumbass.

The first thing you have to know is who keeps them and what their metrics are. You really think Cuba is going to give you an open look into their health care system ? Are you that stupid.

BTW: This is from your article:

The WHO rankings have been subject to many and varied criticisms since its publication. Concerns raised over the five factors considered, data sets used and comparison methodologies have led health bodies and political commentators in most of the countries on the list to question the efficacy of its results and validity of any conclusions drawn. Such criticisms of a broad endeavour by the WHO to rank all the world's healthcare systems must also however be understood in the context of a predisposition to analytical bias commensurate with an individual nation's demographics, socio-economics and politics. In considering such a disparate global spectrum, ranking criteria, methodology, results and conclusions will always be an area for contention.

 

[Listening]

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

Haw haw haw haw.....ROTFLMAO.

This would means someone is using the WHO rating system. The same one that has us one clean band-aid better than Cuba.

The left only continues to show just what a screwed up education system can do to inferior minds.

For all the state's flaws, Cuba has excellent health care, and roughly the same life expectancy as the US despite being much poorer. The WHO is the most impartial evaluator one could want. When you discard statistics in favor of opinions, there is no argument that could sway you.

ROFL OMFG ROFL you must rate in your country, cause over here you would not even rate pond scum. Does your mommy still cut your meat for you?

Once again, what a mature and cogent rebuttal.

Sorry, but utilizing the WHO is not a cogent anything.

 

[The Rabbi]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

The way the WHO measures "best" is guaranteed to produce skewed results. A true measure of "best" is how well sick people fare after diagnosis. On that criterion the US has the best health care system i nthe world.

 

[lutraphile]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

 

[The Rabbi]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Again, the ratings are low simply because "universal health care coverage" is a major factor.
Look at how well people fare once they've been diagnosed, the only meaningful measure, and the US is far and away the best healthcare system.

 

[CowboyTed]

You both fail to refute the figures- that these nations pay less, receive better care, live longer. Just ad hominem attacks and oblique statements.

I am sure a movement towards single payer will return, since younger voters are those who most support it. And, by the way, a plurality of Vermonters still support single payer, which makes it all the more infuriating it is being abandoned.

You're full of shit. They pay double what we pay for half the quality and have to effing wait in line. You're idea of cheaper is what a 70% of your income in total taxes? ROFL

UK taxes: 40 per cent of their GDP. ROFL

List of countries by total health expenditure PPP per capita - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

World Health Organization ranking of health systems in 2000 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

France has the world's best healthcare, 4th in expenditure.

The US has the world's 38th best healthcare, 1st in expenditure.

The way the WHO measures "best" is guaranteed to produce skewed results. A true measure of "best" is how well sick people fare after diagnosis. On that criterion the US has the best health care system i nthe world.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Again, the ratings are low simply because "universal health care coverage" is a major factor.
Look at how well people fare once they've been diagnosed, the only meaningful measure, and the US is far and away the best healthcare system.

How did the guy who got Ebola fair when he was diagnosed the first time.

"
Duncan's illness in Dallas[edit]

Texas Presbyterian Hospital, where Duncan was treated
Duncan began experiencing symptoms on September 24, 2014, and arrived at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital emergency room at 10:37 p.m. on September 25.[26] At 11:36 p.m., a triage nurse asked Duncan about his symptoms, and Duncan reported feeling "abdominal pain, dizziness, nausea and headache (new onset)."[26] The nurse recorded a fever of 100.1 °F (37.8 °C), but did not inquire as to his travel history as this was not triage protocol at the time.[26] At 12:05 a.m., Duncan was admitted into a treatment area room where the on-duty physician accessed the electronic health record (EHR). The physician noted nasal congestion, a runny nose, and abdominal tenderness. Duncan was given Extra Strength Tylenol at 1:24 a.m.[26] CT scan results came back noting "no acute disease" for the abdominal and pelvic areas and "unremarkable" for the head.[26] Lab results returned showing slightly lowwhite blood cells, low platelets, increased creatinine, and elevated levels of the liver enzyme AST.[26][27] His temperature was noted at 103.0 °F (39.4 °C) at3:02 a.m. and 101.2 °F (38.4 °C) at 3:32 a.m. Duncan was diagnosed with sinusitis and abdominal pain and sent home at 3:37 a.m. with a prescription forantibiotics, which are not effective for treating viral diseases.[26][28]"

No Insurance,....

 

[CowboyTed]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Again, the ratings are low simply because "universal health care coverage" is a major factor.
Look at how well people fare once they've been diagnosed, the only meaningful measure, and the US is far and away the best healthcare system.

The reason for the universal thing, is that the US had a very effective way of removing the high risk patients from getting insurance.

It is easy for you to say 95% of all people are happy with our health system, the other 5% are sick

 

[CowboyTed]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Actually there is big questions about the American system of care. Questions have been raised of America overuse of medication adn the lack of consulting (i.e. help the patient change lifestyle rather than giving diet pills)...

Look at
Escape Fire: The Fight to Rescue American Healthcare

There is also issues about lack of consulting going on as a result of the treadmill behaviour going on in hospitals. These a re worlwide issues and some have been addressed in US first in areas like care pathways...

The US system while good for the wealthy has some major areas of improvement in preventive care and inconnectiblity of services.

 

[RKMBrown]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Again, the ratings are low simply because "universal health care coverage" is a major factor.
Look at how well people fare once they've been diagnosed, the only meaningful measure, and the US is far and away the best healthcare system.

The reason for the universal thing, is that the US had a very effective way of removing the high risk patients from getting insurance.

It is easy for you to say 95% of all people are happy with our health system, the other 5% are sick

WTF does insurance have to do with health care? Do you not understand the difference? Do we or do we not have health care for the poor in the form of medicaid and chips? This is a YES OR NO question.

 

[CowboyTed]

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries - Forbes

If you want another source, most studies say about the same thing. I'm aware the WHO methodology is flawed, but surely a flawed source is better than none at all.
The US might have the best health care in the world for millionaires, but overall we do not at all- and we do spend the most of any country, even Forbes (a right-wing publication if ever there was one) says that is universally accepted.

Again, the ratings are low simply because "universal health care coverage" is a major factor.
Look at how well people fare once they've been diagnosed, the only meaningful measure, and the US is far and away the best healthcare system.

The reason for the universal thing, is that the US had a very effective way of removing the high risk patients from getting insurance.

It is easy for you to say 95% of all people are happy with our health system, the other 5% are sick

WTF does insurance have to do with health care? Do you not understand the difference? Do we or do we not have health care for the poor in the form of medicaid and chips? This is a YES OR NO question.

You have healthcare but it is not universal. It is also not comprehensive...

Actually your question is so poorly put I would recommend that you study a little on the topic and comapre health systems worldwode before you enter a subject like this which goes a bit above your head.