Van Jones' Crime:

[Vast LWC]

Couple of things here:

1. The reason why Glenn Beck went after Van Jones was because Jones was the man who founded the website that's making all his advertisers leave his show. It's just that simple.

2. Whether Jones is a Communist or not a Communist, it matters not. Political affiliation does not disqualify one from working for an administration. The cold war is over people, deal with it.

and finally

He said Bush caused 9/11. A lot of US agree with this.

3. Please provide us with a direct quote of Jones stating this.

 

[Meister]

Oh, yeah, the fear of commies.

I'd forgotten about that.

It was never my understanding that being a communist or a marxist once upon a time was illegal.

I see your a bigger fool than I thought Ravi. First, you think I'm a birther and a deather...of course, this was just a foolish assumption on your part.
Next, it's OK to be a communist and have access to the Whitehouse, and the president.
I find that to be just inherently wrong, and you being an American should too. There are no boundaries when your an extreme leftest as yourself, Ravi.
Next....where have I ever stated that being a Marist or a communist is illegal? Show me where I stated that, Ravi.

You are the one that came into the thread about him being gone because he's a troofer, so I'm not sure what your gripe is in this regard. I stated that if troofers were forbidden then so to should birthers and deathers be forbidden.

And no, I'm not a communist but I don't fear them like you do. I have no problem with anyone's political beliefs as long as they don't try to force them on me and/or overthrow the government with violence. That's a uniquely American view.

Ravi....show me where I even mentioned him being a troofer. Show the thread where I stated such a thing. Again, you try to state things that I never even mentioned. The only thing I mentioned was that he was a communist. I have a problem when a communist can bend the ear of our president in the Whitehouse. There IS something inherently wrong with that...you just don't get it
Show me where I stated that you were a communist, Ravi. Again, you are making statement about something I never said.

 

[Ravi]

I see your a bigger fool than I thought Ravi. First, you think I'm a birther and a deather...of course, this was just a foolish assumption on your part.
Next, it's OK to be a communist and have access to the Whitehouse, and the president.
I find that to be just inherently wrong, and you being an American should too. There are no boundaries when your an extreme leftest as yourself, Ravi.
Next....where have I ever stated that being a Marist or a communist is illegal? Show me where I stated that, Ravi.

You are the one that came into the thread about him being gone because he's a troofer, so I'm not sure what your gripe is in this regard. I stated that if troofers were forbidden then so to should birthers and deathers be forbidden.

And no, I'm not a communist but I don't fear them like you do. I have no problem with anyone's political beliefs as long as they don't try to force them on me and/or overthrow the government with violence. That's a uniquely American view.

Ravi....show me where I even mentioned him being a troofer. Show the thread where I stated such a thing. Again, you try to state things that I never even mentioned. The only thing I mentioned was that he was a communist. I have a problem when a communist can bend the ear of our president in the Whitehouse. There IS something inherently wrong with that...you just don't get it
Show me where I stated that you were a communist, Ravi. Again, you are making statement about something I never said.

You did neither but you certainly are implying things all over the place. Starting with your comment about a bumper sticker.

Regardless...it's interesting that you don't want a communist, or a former communist, anywhere near the president. That's actually very communist of YOU. And if that was the reason he was hounded by Beck then Beck himself is a communist.

I think the problem is that you people don't think things through...or else you care nothing about the constitution except when it applies to your specific circumstances.

 

[Ravi]

There is nothing inherently wrong with it. The wrongness comes in when there is a litmus test in place that keeps people from following a legal ideal.

 

[Meister]

Couple of things here:

1. The reason why Glenn Beck went after Van Jones was because Jones was the man who founded the website that's making all his advertisers leave his show. It's just that simple.

2. Whether Jones is a Communist or not a Communist, it matters not. Political affiliation does not disqualify one from working for an administration. The cold war is over people, deal with it.

and finally

He said Bush caused 9/11. A lot of US agree with this.

3. Please provide us with a direct quote of Jones stating this.

In October 2005 he reported that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.

Van Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU DEAL WITH HIM BEING A COMMUNIST. I don't care what you say...a communist has no place in the Whitehouse, or any presidential administration. What's the matter with you people? You have no problem with communists, burt you have a problem with conservatives. Do you see the problem with this picture like I do? you don't need to answer...it's a rhetorical question.

 

[Meister]

You are the one that came into the thread about him being gone because he's a troofer, so I'm not sure what your gripe is in this regard. I stated that if troofers were forbidden then so to should birthers and deathers be forbidden.

And no, I'm not a communist but I don't fear them like you do. I have no problem with anyone's political beliefs as long as they don't try to force them on me and/or overthrow the government with violence. That's a uniquely American view.

Ravi....show me where I even mentioned him being a troofer. Show the thread where I stated such a thing. Again, you try to state things that I never even mentioned. The only thing I mentioned was that he was a communist. I have a problem when a communist can bend the ear of our president in the Whitehouse. There IS something inherently wrong with that...you just don't get it
Show me where I stated that you were a communist, Ravi. Again, you are making statement about something I never said.

You did neither but you certainly are implying things all over the place. Starting with your comment about a bumper sticker.

Regardless...it's interesting that you don't want a communist, or a former communist, anywhere near the president. That's actually very communist of YOU. And if that was the reason he was hounded by Beck then Beck himself is a communist.

I think the problem is that you people don't think things through...or else you care nothing about the constitution except when it applies to your specific circumstances.

The only thing I'm implying is that I don't want a communist in the administration...clear and simple. You on the other hand.......would want a communist there more than a conservative. You bringing up the constitution is just rich, Ravi.

 

[xsited1]

Van Jones' Crime:

Obama should have fought for him. Instead, he just let him resign, which of course is Washington-speak for "I threw him under the bus."

 

[Vast LWC]

His radical resume reads more like a Presidential assassin's would, instead of someone who works WITH a President:


[*]One of the founders and current board member of Apollo Alliance

From the Apollo Alliance website:

"The Apollo Alliance is a coalition of labor, business, environmental, and community leaders working to catalyze a clean energy revolution that will put millions of Americans to work in a new generation of high-quality, green-collar jobs. "

Sounds pretty threatening to me. "Git a rope", right?

[*]Ardent black separatist/black nationalist. VAN JONES: "The white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of colored communities." What?

How does this statement make Jones a "Black separatist/nationalist" in any way shape or form?

[*]Founder of Color of Change, which includes Bay Area PoliceWatch, a group devoted to "protect[ing] the community from police misconduct"

So?

[*]One of the founders of STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement) a communist radical group which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. They protested police brutality and got arrested for crashing through police barricades.

"When he graduated law school, Jones gave up plans to take a job in Washington, D.C., and moved to San Francisco instead. He got involved with Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism. While associated with STORM, Jones actively began protesting police brutality." - Source Wikipedia

He did not FOUND STORM, he "Got involved" with the group. As we have already discussed, he was an admitted communist and was involved with a communist group. Which does not disqualify him from being on Mr Obama's staff.

[*]Founder of the Ella Baker Center which is STORM re-imagined, with many of the same board members

"Ella Baker Center: The Basics
The Ella Baker Center for Human Rights is a strategy and action center working for justice, opportunity and peace in urban America. Based in Oakland, California, we promote positive alternatives to violence and incarceration through our four cutting-edge campaigns..."

Again, very threatening. LOL.

[*]Was arrested in the 1993 Rodney King riots in LA

Jones was arrested along with hundreds of participants in a peaceful protest march.

Charges against him ultimately were dropped, and he received a small settlement.

[*]Was arrested in the 1999 WTO riots in Seattle

That's a lie, it never happened. Period.

[*]Ardent supporter of convicted cop killer and communist Mumia Abu-Jamal. (AKA Wesley Cook)

Here is the stated purpose of the "Free Mumia" movement, which Van Jones was indirectly involved with:

"Mumia Abu-Jamal is an award-winning Pennsylvania journalist who exposed police violence against minority communities. On death row since 1982, he was wrongfully sentenced for the shooting of a police officer. New evidence, including the recantation of a key eyewitness, new ballistic and forensic evidence and a confession from Arnold Beverly (one of the two killers of Officer Faulkner) points to his innocence. Mumia had no criminal record."

Wow, a bunch of people feel someone was wrongly convicted and are asking for a retrial.

How awful. What a "radical" movement.

And the White House? Seems to only regret not "scrubbing" Jones enough.

What does "scrubbing" mean? Is that anything like hiding truth?

They shouldn't have backed down. There is nothing at all here that disqualifies Jones from serving in public office.

 

[Vast LWC]

In October 2005 he reported that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.

Van Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU DEAL WITH HIM BEING A COMMUNIST. I don't care what you say...a communist has no place in the Whitehouse, or any presidential administration. What's the matter with you people? You have no problem with communists, burt you have a problem with conservatives. Do you see the problem with this picture like I do? you don't need to answer...it's a rhetorical question.

I asked for a direct quote of him blaming Bush for 9/11, not for a quote of him being a Communist.

And why does a Communist have no place in the Whitehouse? Communism is just another political party/position. How does that disqualify him for the job? Are you saying that certain segments of society should just be ostracized for their beliefs?

And I personally do not have a problem with conservatives being hired to advisory positions in the White House. If I did, I would have had a problem with Bush's entire cabinet.

I may have had problems with certain members of his cabinet, but not because they were conservatives.

 

[WillowTree]

In October 2005 he reported that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.

Van Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU DEAL WITH HIM BEING A COMMUNIST. I don't care what you say...a communist has no place in the Whitehouse, or any presidential administration. What's the matter with you people? You have no problem with communists, burt you have a problem with conservatives. Do you see the problem with this picture like I do? you don't need to answer...it's a rhetorical question.

I asked for a direct quote of him blaming Bush for 9/11, not for a quote of him being a Communist.

And why does a Communist have no place in the Whitehouse? Communism is just another political party/position. How does that disqualify him for the job? Are you saying that certain segments of society should just be ostracized for their beliefs?

And I personally do not have a problem with conservatives being hired to advisory positions in the White House. If I did, I would have had a problem with Bush's entire cabinet.

I may have had problems with certain members of his cabinet, but not because they were conservatives.

It's a shame that someone has to tell you this.and it's twice the shame that you felt the need to ask.. But I will. Because the WhiteHouse is where the leader of the free world lives. Communism is all about everything except freedom.. Now I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but "freedom" is the key. People who love freedom don't become communists.

 

[Meister]

In October 2005 he reported that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.

Van Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU DEAL WITH HIM BEING A COMMUNIST. I don't care what you say...a communist has no place in the Whitehouse, or any presidential administration. What's the matter with you people? You have no problem with communists, burt you have a problem with conservatives. Do you see the problem with this picture like I do? you don't need to answer...it's a rhetorical question.

I asked for a direct quote of him blaming Bush for 9/11, not for a quote of him being a Communist.

And why does a Communist have no place in the Whitehouse? Communism is just another political party/position. How does that disqualify him for the job? Are you saying that certain segments of society should just be ostracized for their beliefs?

And I personally do not have a problem with conservatives being hired to advisory positions in the White House. If I did, I would have had a problem with Bush's entire cabinet.

I may have had problems with certain members of his cabinet, but not because they were conservatives.

I ask you for one of my posts that I ever stated that Van Jones thought Bush backed 9-11?
As for the rest of your tripe....read Willow's post. An excellent post from Willow by the way.

 

[Vast LWC]

It's a shame that someone has to tell you this.and it's twice the shame that you felt the need to ask.. But I will. Because the WhiteHouse is where the leader of the free world lives. Communism is all about everything except freedom.. Now I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but "freedom" is the key. People who love freedom don't become communists.

No, I'm afraid you are confusing Communism with Totalitarianism.

Communism is not "anti-freedom", it is "anti-capitalist".

Totalitariansim is "anti-freedom".

I am personally not one who espouses Communism as a good direction for this country, however, everyone has a right to their opinion. Since Mr Jones' position had not bearing on whether the country might have gone "Communist" or not, it is irrelevant whether or not he was or was not a Communist.

Mr Bush used to hire representatives of corporate interests to regulate the industries they used to work for. THAT is a dangerous appointment. But you people didn't seem to have a problem with that.

 

[Vast LWC]

In October 2005 he reported that by August of that year (1992) he was a communist.

Van Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YOU DEAL WITH HIM BEING A COMMUNIST. I don't care what you say...a communist has no place in the Whitehouse, or any presidential administration. What's the matter with you people? You have no problem with communists, burt you have a problem with conservatives. Do you see the problem with this picture like I do? you don't need to answer...it's a rhetorical question.

I asked for a direct quote of him blaming Bush for 9/11, not for a quote of him being a Communist.

And why does a Communist have no place in the Whitehouse? Communism is just another political party/position. How does that disqualify him for the job? Are you saying that certain segments of society should just be ostracized for their beliefs?

And I personally do not have a problem with conservatives being hired to advisory positions in the White House. If I did, I would have had a problem with Bush's entire cabinet.

I may have had problems with certain members of his cabinet, but not because they were conservatives.

I ask you for one of my posts that I ever stated that Van Jones thought Bush backed 9-11?
As for the rest of your tripe....read Willow's post. An excellent post from Willow by the way.

You were responding with a quote to a post I made that asked for a quote.

And Willow's post is a bunch of Cold War rhetoric.

 

[Meister]

It's a shame that someone has to tell you this.and it's twice the shame that you felt the need to ask.. But I will. Because the WhiteHouse is where the leader of the free world lives. Communism is all about everything except freedom.. Now I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but "freedom" is the key. People who love freedom don't become communists.

No, I'm afraid you are confusing Communism with Totalitarianism.

Communism is not "anti-freedom", it is "anti-capitalist".

Totalitariansim is "anti-freedom".

I am personally not one who espouses Communism as a good direction for this country, however, everyone has a right to their opinion. Since Mr Jones' position had not bearing on whether the country might have gone "Communist" or not, it is irrelevant whether or not he was or was not a Communist.

Mr Bush used to hire representatives of corporate interests to regulate the industries they used to work for. THAT is a dangerous appointment. But you people didn't seem to have a problem with that.

Spoken like a true Obamabot.

 

[WillowTree]

It's a shame that someone has to tell you this.and it's twice the shame that you felt the need to ask.. But I will. Because the WhiteHouse is where the leader of the free world lives. Communism is all about everything except freedom.. Now I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp but "freedom" is the key. People who love freedom don't become communists.

No, I'm afraid you are confusing Communism with Totalitarianism.

Communism is not "anti-freedom", it is "anti-capitalist".

Totalitariansim is "anti-freedom".

I am personally not one who espouses Communism as a good direction for this country, however, everyone has a right to their opinion. Since Mr Jones' position had not bearing on whether the country might have gone "Communist" or not, it is irrelevant whether or not he was or was not a Communist.

Mr Bush used to hire representatives of corporate interests to regulate the industries they used to work for. THAT is a dangerous appointment. But you people didn't seem to have a problem with that.

well go try living in North Korea and see how free you are,,communism has no place in the WhiteHouse..

 

[Vast LWC]

Besides, we've had so many radical representatives of Super-Capitalism, and Corporate Oligarchy in our government lately, that perhaps it's time to have a few people out there representing the opposite end of the spectrum.

 

[Vast LWC]

well go try living in North Korea and see how free you are,,communism has no place in the WhiteHouse..

North Korea also being a totalitarian state.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Meister]

Besides, we've had so many radical representatives of Super-Capitalism, and Corporate Oligarchy in our government lately, that perhaps it's time to have a few people out there representing the opposite end of the spectrum.

Spoken like a true Obamabot.

 

[Vast LWC]

Besides, we've had so many radical representatives of Super-Capitalism, and Corporate Oligarchy in our government lately, that perhaps it's time to have a few people out there representing the opposite end of the spectrum.

Spoken like a true Obamabot.

Blah, blah, Obamabot, blah.

You don't score points with anyone except your right-wing nutjob buddies making comments like this.

 

[Xenophon]

What a load of bullshit.

'Mumia' is a piece of shit cop killer, he deserves no 'awards' and found no 'coruption' as his ass has been in prison since he murdered Faluker.

"Mumia Abu-Jamal is an award-winning Pennsylvania journalist who exposed police violence against minority communities. On death row since 1982, he was wrongfully sentenced for the shooting of a police officer. New evidence, including the recantation of a key eyewitness, new ballistic and forensic evidence and a confession from Arnold Beverly (one of the two killers of Officer Faulkner) points to his innocence. Mumia had no criminal record."

Wow, a bunch of people feel someone was wrongly convicted and are asking for a retrial.

How awful. What a "radical" movement.

Now what really happened, what this piece of shit was sent to death row for, and the asshole you are defending wants freed:

On December 9, 1981, at approximately 3:55 a.m., Officer Danny Faulkner, a five year veteran of the Philadelphia Police Department, made a traffic stop at Locust Street near Twelfth Street. The car stopped by Officer Faulkner was being driven by William Cook. After making the stop, Danny called for assistance on his police radio and requested a police wagon to transport a prisoner. Unbeknownst to him, William Cook's brother, Wesley (aka Mumia Abu-Jamal) was across the street. As Danny attempted to handcuff William Cook, Mumia Abu-Jamal ran from across the street and shot the officer in the back. Danny turned and was able to fire one shot that struck Abu-Jamal in the chest; the wounded officer then fell to the pavement. Mumia Abu-Jamal stood over the downed officer and shot him four more times at close range, once directly in the face. Mumia Abu-Jamal was found still at the scene of the shooting by officers who arrived there within seconds. The murderer was slumped against the curb in front of his brother's car. In his possession was a .38 caliber revolver that records showed Mumia had purchased months earlier. The chamber of the gun had five spent cartridges. A cab driver, as well as other pedestrians, had witnessed the brutal slaying and identified Mumia Abu-Jamal as the killer both at the scene and during his trial. On July 2, 1982, after being tried before a jury of ten whites and two blacks, Mumia Abu-Jamal was convicted of murdering Officer Danny Faulkner. The next day, the jury sentenced him to death after deliberating for two hours. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania heard the defendant's appeals and upheld the conviction on March 6, 1989.