USMB POLL: Repeal the 16th Amendment (Income Tax)

[hazlnut]

The right wants to turn us into a nation of free-loaders.

 

[Statistikhengst]

OMG...... who in the world would be stupid enough to have a wife like that???

Oy, Gewalt.

And the dude is so calm and cool and collected.....

The dude is a liberal. The gal is a TPer.

Oh, I spoke to quickly. They are divorcing:

Looks like she is on the market again.....

I'm thinking of fixing her up with Judicial Review

 

[Skylar]

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

There has never been a prohibition on income tax. It was merely limited by the apportionment clause. The 16th ammendment created no new taxation authority. It simply lifted restrictions on how funds collected via income tax would be spent.

And how does you comment apply to what I posted?


JWK




If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

Easy: the founders never intended income taxes to be forbidden. As they never have been.

 

[Skylar]

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

There has never been a prohibition on income tax. It was merely limited by the apportionment clause. The 16th ammendment created no new taxation authority. It simply lifted restrictions on how funds collected via income tax would be spent.

Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

And where did you get those numbers? I think you'll find you're quite wrong.

Notice you don't actually disagree with me.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Notice you don't actually disagree with me.

I've been studying this issue and I've seen your copied and pasted argument thrown many times before. It gets tiring, and the other guy is saying what I used to say in the past.

I don't argue with traitors anymore, because there's no point. I can only hope that readers (99% of which don't post) come to the best judgement. My heavy-weight days at USMB ended more than a few months ago.

The exact same people enter a new thread and spew the exact same argument. When you engage them and subdue them they leave the thread. However, this victory is only temporary, because the exact same people that you subdue return in another thread and repost the same argument.

This means they aren't learning from their mistakes. Even if they were ultimately right, wouldn't it suit them better to learn how to exploit the hole in my argument then next time it comes up? Yet they don't. They literally repost the same shit.

I've realized this is a tactic of the Liberal Soldier. To wear down an opponent through attrition. I also admit that the tactic works quite well.

So you're remark was neither clever, smart or original. It's something I've seen reposted a hundred times, and I argued against and defeated the argument ninety-nine times, but I no longer have the willpower and fortitude to do it the 100th time.

However Contumacious has engaged you (with the same debate that I used to have on that issue), so I will enjoy watching him subdue you, and I will also enjoy Contumacious dismay when he sees you repost the same shit tomorrow in another thread.

You're a Liberal Soldier. An agent of the Counter-Enlightenment hellbent and reducing mankind under absolute and total government. Truth is not in your best interest.

The layman version of what you liberal soldiers do is: "Throw enough shit at the wall and it will eventually stick."

And that's all you do, you throw the same shit at the wall on every new blog, facebook post and internet thread, no matter how many times you're defeated.

 

[rightwinger]

OMG...... who in the world would be stupid enough to have a wife like that???

Oy, Gewalt.

And the dude is so calm and cool and collected.....

The dude is a liberal. The gal is a TPer.

Oh, I spoke to quickly. They are divorcing:

Looks like she is on the market again.....

I'm thinking of fixing her up with Judicial Review

Judicial Review.........Hey babe, stop yer fuss'n or I'll take away your Kirby

 

[Skylar]

Notice you don't actually disagree with me.

I've been studying this issue and I've seen your copied and pasted argument thrown many times before. It gets tiring, and the other guy is saying what I used to say in the past.

Copied and pasted from where?

Show us, don't tell us. You'll find quite quickly that my posts are my own creations. Cut and paste from nowhere but my own posts.

I don't argue with traitors anymore, because there's no point. I can only hope that readers (99% of which don't post) come to the best judgement. My heavy-weight days at USMB ended more than a few months ago.

Translation: You refuse to discuss anything with a person who doesn't already agree with you

I get it. But your participation isn't necessary for me to demonstrate the fallacy of your argument. In fact, its much easier to punch holes in your claims when there's no one to disagree with me.

So ignore as you will. It won't matter.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

So ignore as you will. It won't matter.

I"m not ignoring you, I never engaged in debate with you, but you are ignoring Contumacious

 

[The2ndAmendment]

The right wants to turn us into a nation of free-loaders.

How can there be free loaders if there's no one footing the bill?

See that's the whole point of repealing the 16th Amendment, no one is paying to support freeloaders.

 

[johnwk]

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

There has never been a prohibition on income tax. It was merely limited by the apportionment clause. The 16th ammendment created no new taxation authority. It simply lifted restrictions on how funds collected via income tax would be spent.

And how does you comment apply to what I posted?


JWK




If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

Easy: the founders never intended income taxes to be forbidden. As they never have been.

You have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?


JWK

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?


JWK

It's comical that Skylar chastizes me for ignoring him when I never engaged in discussion with him, yet he ignores you since you actually did banish his liberal sorcery.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

68% of USMB wish to live free and enjoy the fruits of their own labor. John Locke would be proud.

The remainder are the parasites or overseers that wish to subdue us.

All liberals are traitors.

 

[Skylar]

“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! And, they would remove the existing chains of taxation which now oppresses America‘s free enterprise system and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

There has never been a prohibition on income tax. It was merely limited by the apportionment clause. The 16th ammendment created no new taxation authority. It simply lifted restrictions on how funds collected via income tax would be spent.

And how does you comment apply to what I posted?


JWK




If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Our Washington Establishment’s Free Cheese Democracy, designed to establish a federal plantation which redistributes wealth that wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.

Easy: the founders never intended income taxes to be forbidden. As they never have been.

You have not answered my question. How does your comment apply to what I posted?


JWK

I've answered twice, both times relevantly. You've insisted that your 'original tax plan' that forbids income tax was what the founders intended.

You're wrong. Income tax has always been constitutional. It has never been forbidden. The 16th amendment didn't create taxation authority. It removed the apportionment clause for income taxes.

 

[Skylar]

So ignore as you will. It won't matter.

I"m not ignoring you, I never engaged in debate with you, but you are ignoring Contumacious

Engage me in discussion or don't. It doesn't matter. As you're not my audience.

I don't need your reply to punch holes in your reasoning. As I've already demonstrated.

 

[g5000]

...imperial cultural marxists...

You need to spend less time on Stormfront.

 

[g5000]

The Sixteenth Amendment ought to be repealed although the same was not actually ratified.

One of the dumber memes out there.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Isn't it always so much fun every afternoon when Middle School lets out and we get to read another 2nd Amendment thread?

 

[Contumacious]

As a government supremacist/socialist you will always claim that the government version is the correct one.

More accurately, I recognize the authority to make such decisions. The ruling of the Secretary of State is authoritative. The ruling of the USSC is authoritative.

Bill Benson isn't. Thus, his opinions carry no legal weight. And the findings of the Secretary of State and USSC carry plenty. As the passage of the 16th amendment is a legal question, the issue is resolved.

The Documents submitted by Mr. Benson were CERTIFIED by each of the 50 states. So I have no idea what you mean by "far more credible" - probably just a pretext to side with the powers that be.

Um, why would Mr. Benson have documents certified from States....that didn't exist when the 16th amendment was ratified? And its not the States that are insisting the 16th amendment wasn't ratified. It is Mr. Benson.

Is Mr. Benson an American?

Is the Constitution ours?

Does he have a right to access Article III Courts to have his grievances redressed?

More than likely the reason the States have not objected is because the War of Northern Aggression and the so-called seventeenth Amendment have weakened them.


Other Patriotic Americans have used Mr. Benson's documents to no avail. Article III Courts have been abolished - the impostors sitting on the federal bench have sworn to support and defend the welfare/warfare state. They claim that whether or not the sixteenth amendment was adopted is a "political question" .They have threatened to punish any Patriot who raises the argument. So Mr Benson had no choice since the impostors have taken upon themselves to limit defenses.

 

[nodoginnafight]

"The war of northern aggression"
Too funny.
Nuff said.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Notice we didn't go around getting involved in foreign affairs anymore than was necessary.

Most of the continent wasn't even part of the United States in 1798, so there was a plenty of involvement in foreign affairs.