Used and abused: UK's young girls

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

Sex with children is not exactly widely acceptable. In many parts of the world - Muslim and NON-Muslim, girls are married at 12, which is also considered puberty. It's driven by poverty, culture, the idea that girls have little value (and it's not worth educating them) - even, in war torn areas - marrying them young to save them from rape. Not too long ago, when a supposed child bride was killed in Yemen - huge numbers of people protested child marriages, demonstrated against the government for laws preventing this and for enforcement of existing laws. It ended up being a hoax but it drove action.

It's a complex problem.

I googled the Yemeni child bride and do not see where it was ever exposed as a hoax.

Oh, there have been other young girls who have died on the wedding nights due to internal bleeding. I know you're going to find other excuses, but I'm sorry, but this religion is awful and yes, it condones these types of actions against women. It's a very horrible and oppressive religion towards women and girls.

Child marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty.[24] Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty.[25] Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty.[23] In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six,[26] and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.[27][28]

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

Obviously still having problems. I'll give you some time to work out your reply. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

Now, I realize that this link is a little bit "questionable." LOL, but there are links within the link for reference that are quite reliable sources.

Sharia Law has led to the legislation of child marriage in 6 countries RAWA News

 

[Phoenall]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

But why shall we obligate ourselves to feeding them? I would not mind cryogenically freezing them for the duration of their sentences, but that is prohibited too why?

^^^

Yes, the Muslims just LOVE their death penalty too.

In sharia law, the punishment for murder is not execution. It is a negotiation of a payment plan to compensate the family of the victim.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

Have you seen the costs involved in locking them up, in the UK it runs into £thousands per week to keep someone in prison. All this has to be found from tax revenues that could be spent elsewhere on more deserving causes. If we have to send them to prison lets make them work for the privilege by walking endlessly on a treadmill generating free electricity. Producing their own food from a prison farm and selling any surplus to cover any costs.

For physical facts, they would not be able to generate even as little as 10% of their cell heating needs. How about freezing them, but without slowing their metabolism so that they don't wake up at the end of their sentences like they are the same age as entering.

The death penalty is more expensive than to keep a prisoner in jail for life! That is because of the automatic appeals process, and THAT is to protect us citizens against the government, if they are going to put us to death for crimes.

Good Lord! That is not true at all. Look at ALL the countries that are run by Sharia, and the death penalty is applied plenty of times for relatively small offenses, like adultery, being a homosexual, etc.

So a person convicted of murder at age 25 would cost less to keep in prison for the next 40 years or so than to hang them one week after being found guilty ?

 

[Phoenall]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

And the vast majority of cases were committed by muslim men following the commands of their religion and using sex abuse as a form of RACISM and TERRORISM

That was debunked in another thread.

NOPE it never was, the media in the UK was full of the Judges words in his summing up and how many of the rapists treated the girls with contempt and hate. The facts were laid out at the trials and the rapists were never charged with the offenses of racism and terrorism like they should have been

 

[ChrisL]

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

But why shall we obligate ourselves to feeding them? I would not mind cryogenically freezing them for the duration of their sentences, but that is prohibited too why?

^^^

Yes, the Muslims just LOVE their death penalty too.

In sharia law, the punishment for murder is not execution. It is a negotiation of a payment plan to compensate the family of the victim.

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

Have you seen the costs involved in locking them up, in the UK it runs into £thousands per week to keep someone in prison. All this has to be found from tax revenues that could be spent elsewhere on more deserving causes. If we have to send them to prison lets make them work for the privilege by walking endlessly on a treadmill generating free electricity. Producing their own food from a prison farm and selling any surplus to cover any costs.

For physical facts, they would not be able to generate even as little as 10% of their cell heating needs. How about freezing them, but without slowing their metabolism so that they don't wake up at the end of their sentences like they are the same age as entering.

The death penalty is more expensive than to keep a prisoner in jail for life! That is because of the automatic appeals process, and THAT is to protect us citizens against the government, if they are going to put us to death for crimes.

Good Lord! That is not true at all. Look at ALL the countries that are run by Sharia, and the death penalty is applied plenty of times for relatively small offenses, like adultery, being a homosexual, etc.

So a person convicted of murder at age 25 would cost less to keep in prison for the next 40 years or so than to hang them one week after being found guilty ?

We don't hang people here in America anymore. We haven't done that in . . . I don't know how long.

Because of automatic appeals process (the prisoner has no choice in this - it is an automatic process - this is to protect we citizens against the government, so that they can't just put people to death!!), it is VERY expensive. The appeals process is very thorough (as it SHOULD be). This is also why it takes so long to put people to death.

 

[ChrisL]

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

I'm an American. Besides, although I am angry, justice shouldn't be doled out based upon our emotions but upon the facts of the case. I am an anti death penalty American because I don't think it's appropriate for government (at any level) have the power to kill citizens on a whim. Besides, there have been many mistakes during many trials, which always leaves room for doubt.

You have a beautiful avatar. Do you deserve it?

Many argue that prison is worse than a death penalty. Plus even with judicial mistakes, prison years can't be undone. They are not even financially compensated for those criminals that are exhonorated. Why does then swapping prison for death make a difference?

Prison years can't be undone...but a life taken can never be returned. Ask the prisoners what they would prefer, I think most would say life.

There was a case in a neighboring state to mine where a police officer was convicted of killing his mistress. Well, come to find out, years and years later, he was innocent.

Scott Hornoff New England Innocence Project

There are way too many cases like that, and more and more keep coming to light. I oppose the death penalty because of it's innate injustice and inequality. If you're rich, have a good lawyer, white, you will get jail time over the death penalty. If you are a black male and the victim is a white female - you are more likely to get the death penalty than vice versa. Even eye witness's have been proven to be inaccurate. If the defendent is poor, he is far less likely to be able to get a good defense. There is just so much wrong with the system. It's brutal.

I really think the difference is between rich and poor nowadays, as opposed to black/white. Look at the infamous OJ trial. It's MONEY that matters in this country.

 

[BlackSand]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

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[007]

All MUSLIM men in the OP... and the girl is SEVENTEEN? Hell that's OLD for muslims... they like 'em a hell of a lot younger than that... seeing as how their PROPHET, MUHHAMED, married a SIX YEAR OLD, and FUCKED her when she was NINE... so SEVENTEEN is pretty OLD for a mussie... give 'em a BREAK...

 

[ChrisL]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

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And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

 

[Vikrant]

Folks,

Please do not insult prophet Muhammad. He delivered to people (believers) the message of god. He is respected by a large number of people world wide. It is wrong to disrespect him like that. Besides it is off topic. This thread is not here to discuss Islam and prophet Muhammad.

 

[BlackSand]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

.

And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

Well ... Other people do say that it is a deterrent ... In any case, it was struck down by SCotUS in regards to Kennedy v Louisiana.

.

 

[ChrisL]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

.

And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

Well ... Other people do say that it is a deterrent ... In any case, it is the law.

.

If a rapist thinks he will get the death penalty for raping a child, in some instances he will just kill the child to eliminate the witness to his crime, IMO. I don't think such a law is doing the child victims any favors at all.

 

[BlackSand]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

.

And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

Well ... Other people do say that it is a deterrent ... In any case, it is the law.

.

If a rapist thinks he will get the death penalty for raping a child, in some instances he will just kill the child to eliminate the witness to his crime, IMO. I don't think such a law is doing the child victims any favors at all.

SCOTUS opposed the law in regards to the 8th Amendment ... And used precedence established in "mental retardation" prohibitions against execution to save the child rapists. Which doesn't really protect them from execution ... It really just leaves the issue of their execution to their fellow inmates.

.

 

[ChrisL]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

.

And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

Well ... Other people do say that it is a deterrent ... In any case, it is the law.

.

If a rapist thinks he will get the death penalty for raping a child, in some instances he will just kill the child to eliminate the witness to his crime, IMO. I don't think such a law is doing the child victims any favors at all.

SCOTUS opposed the law in regards to the 8th Amendment ... And used precedence established in "mental retardation" prohibitions against execution to save the child rapists. Which doesn't really protect them from execution ... It really just leaves the issue of their execution to their fellow inmates.

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I don't have a problem with fellow inmates taking care of things. Lol. I have a problem with state sponsored killing for a variety of reasons.

 

[Coyote]

Pedophilia is like all other sex crimes, totally incurable. Psychologists and liberals think that everything is curable. Sometimes, the only cure is the bullet/gallow. Why can't we do executions any more?

The death penalty is available in the state of Louisiana for cases involving child rape. This applies even in cases where the child did not die ... And whether or not the rapist intended for the child to die.

.

And some people would say that would give the rapist motivation to go through with killing the child.

Well ... Other people do say that it is a deterrent ... In any case, it is the law.

.

If a rapist thinks he will get the death penalty for raping a child, in some instances he will just kill the child to eliminate the witness to his crime, IMO. I don't think such a law is doing the child victims any favors at all.

There are other factors as well. One being - discerning guilt can be quite difficult, parents are known to accuse the other of child molestation in particularly bad rape cases, children's testimonies can be inaccurate. The chances of killing an innocent person can be higher.

The other factor is quite often the perpetrator is someone the child knows and is close to and a childs feelings may be very mixed and torn. If they know that the perpetrator will be killed they might be that much less likely to testify against them or they might feel responsible. Life in prison stands a better chance of gaining convictions than the death penalty and less chance of innocent people being killed.

 

[ChrisL]

Believe me, my reasons for being against the DP have nothing to do with sympathy of any kind for the accused, that's for sure. There are some stories I hear (like this one) where I would like to strangle people with my own bare hands because they make me so angry.

 

[007]

Folks,

Please do not insult prophet Muhammad. He delivered to people (believers) the message of god. He is respected by a large number of people world wide. It is wrong to disrespect him like that. Besides it is off topic. This thread is not here to discuss Islam and prophet Muhammad.

And exactly how has the fraudulent prophet, pedophile muhammad been insulted?

 

[Coyote]

Let's discuss the topic and not derail the thread.

 

[ChrisL]

Folks,

Please do not insult prophet Muhammad. He delivered to people (believers) the message of god. He is respected by a large number of people world wide. It is wrong to disrespect him like that. Besides it is off topic. This thread is not here to discuss Islam and prophet Muhammad.

I won't, out of respect for you and your thread, but I don't have any respect for Muhammad whatsoever. Sorry.

 

[Vikrant]

Folks,

Please do not insult prophet Muhammad. He delivered to people (believers) the message of god. He is respected by a large number of people world wide. It is wrong to disrespect him like that. Besides it is off topic. This thread is not here to discuss Islam and prophet Muhammad.

And exactly how has the fraudulent prophet, pedophile muhammad been insulted?

Dude,

This thread is not about Muhammad. This thread is not about Islam either. Heck, this thread is not even about religion. Yet, you are bringing Muhammad into it. Let us discuss the topic at hand.