Used and abused: UK's young girls

[HenryBHough]

If goats had the cash to pay a lawyer they'd have protective orders too.

 

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

 

[Vikrant]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

I personally think you made great posts in that thread.

Reality of prostitution of young girls in UK is that a good number of men who coerce these young girls into prostitution are indeed Pakistani/Muslims. Even the OP in this thread talks about a case involving Muslim (Pakistani?) men. I am not denying that. But there are other facilitators as well who seemed to have escaped the wrath. These facilitators include powerful members of UK elites, police officers, civil officers, teachers, etc. Exploitation of young girls in UK would not have been possible without this group. They provided protection, customer base and overall lifeline for the prostitution operations. And, this is what I am trying to emphasize.

 

[anotherlife]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

But why shall we obligate ourselves to feeding them? I would not mind cryogenically freezing them for the duration of their sentences, but that is prohibited too why?

^^^

Yes, the Muslims just LOVE their death penalty too.

In sharia law, the punishment for murder is not execution. It is a negotiation of a payment plan to compensate the family of the victim.

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

Have you seen the costs involved in locking them up, in the UK it runs into £thousands per week to keep someone in prison. All this has to be found from tax revenues that could be spent elsewhere on more deserving causes. If we have to send them to prison lets make them work for the privilege by walking endlessly on a treadmill generating free electricity. Producing their own food from a prison farm and selling any surplus to cover any costs.

For physical facts, they would not be able to generate even as little as 10% of their cell heating needs. How about freezing them, but without slowing their metabolism so that they don't wake up at the end of their sentences like they are the same age as entering.

 

[ChrisL]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

But why shall we obligate ourselves to feeding them? I would not mind cryogenically freezing them for the duration of their sentences, but that is prohibited too why?

^^^

Yes, the Muslims just LOVE their death penalty too.

In sharia law, the punishment for murder is not execution. It is a negotiation of a payment plan to compensate the family of the victim.

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

Because the government went against the peoples wishes and banned it. Many people want to see it reinstated for certain crimes like child murder and terrorism.

Well, I don't see why we can't just lock them up. How does killing them make us any better? If you murder, we're going to murder you? Death penalty is disgusting, barbaric, primitive.

Have you seen the costs involved in locking them up, in the UK it runs into £thousands per week to keep someone in prison. All this has to be found from tax revenues that could be spent elsewhere on more deserving causes. If we have to send them to prison lets make them work for the privilege by walking endlessly on a treadmill generating free electricity. Producing their own food from a prison farm and selling any surplus to cover any costs.

For physical facts, they would not be able to generate even as little as 10% of their cell heating needs. How about freezing them, but without slowing their metabolism so that they don't wake up at the end of their sentences like they are the same age as entering.

The death penalty is more expensive than to keep a prisoner in jail for life! That is because of the automatic appeals process, and THAT is to protect us citizens against the government, if they are going to put us to death for crimes.

Good Lord! That is not true at all. Look at ALL the countries that are run by Sharia, and the death penalty is applied plenty of times for relatively small offenses, like adultery, being a homosexual, etc.

 

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

I personally think you made great posts in that thread.

Reality of prostitution of young girls in UK is that a good number of men who coerce these young girls into prostitution are indeed Pakistani/Muslims. Even the OP in this thread talks about a case involving Muslim (Pakistani?) men. I am not denying that. But there are other facilitators as well who seemed to have escaped the wrath. These facilitators include powerful members of UK elites, police officers, civil officers, teachers, etc. Exploitation of young girls in UK would not have been possible without this group. They provided protection, customer base and overall lifeline for the prostitution operations. And, this is what I am trying to emphasize.

Oh, I definitely agree that those people that were allegedly in charge at the time that these crimes occurred should be charged with something too.

 

[Vikrant]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

I personally think you made great posts in that thread.

Reality of prostitution of young girls in UK is that a good number of men who coerce these young girls into prostitution are indeed Pakistani/Muslims. Even the OP in this thread talks about a case involving Muslim (Pakistani?) men. I am not denying that. But there are other facilitators as well who seemed to have escaped the wrath. These facilitators include powerful members of UK elites, police officers, civil officers, teachers, etc. Exploitation of young girls in UK would not have been possible without this group. They provided protection, customer base and overall lifeline for the prostitution operations. And, this is what I am trying to emphasize.

Oh, I definitely agree that those people that were allegedly in charge at the time that these crimes occurred should be charged with something too.

d'accord . mon bel ange.

 

[Phoenall]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

If you had read the news reports regarding the trials of the Pakistani muslim men you would have seen the same thing being brought up every time, the racist overtones of the rapes and abuse of these girls. Then the offenders made claims that they were only arrested because the police were racist, even though the girls had made numerous complaints. Not once did the men deny the rapes or prostitution, they just claim their arrests were racist.
For the record the 1400 cases were from just one medium sized town, when all the other towns and cities are taken into consideration the numbers of girls raped comes to many tens of thousands, and still more cases are being brought against more Pakistani men. Yes it is not just confined to one race or one religion, it is across all races and all religions. But the facts are that the most prevalent child abusers in the UK happen to be Pakistani muslim men. The reports of high level politicians are old news as many knew about them 25 years ago when the Americans operated a sting and caught many cabinet ministers and front benchers buying hard core child porn. It was shown a couple of years back that the most users of child porn sites were muslims, and many were run by muslims who produced their own stock. All this as a front for their terrorist activities and training

 

[Coyote]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

That is really disturbing. When politicians and police are involved - and it gets covered up for years - very bad.

I agree - the PC part is a red herring imo, because everyone wants to focus on the Muslim aspect and ignore the rest of it - that this is a very deep seated problem, that has little to do with Muslims per se but rather issues of criminality and corruption that go very high and are well protected and have been for years apparently.

 

[Coyote]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

And the vast majority of cases were committed by muslim men following the commands of their religion and using sex abuse as a form of RACISM and TERRORISM

That was debunked in another thread.

 

[ChrisL]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

I'm an American. Besides, although I am angry, justice shouldn't be doled out based upon our emotions but upon the facts of the case. I am an anti death penalty American because I don't think it's appropriate for government (at any level) have the power to kill citizens on a whim. Besides, there have been many mistakes during many trials, which always leaves room for doubt.

You have a beautiful avatar. Do you deserve it?

Many argue that prison is worse than a death penalty. Plus even with judicial mistakes, prison years can't be undone. They are not even financially compensated for those criminals that are exhonorated. Why does then swapping prison for death make a difference?

My aversion to the death penalty has absolutely nothing to do with the "comfort" of the prisoners.

 

[Coyote]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

I'm an American. Besides, although I am angry, justice shouldn't be doled out based upon our emotions but upon the facts of the case. I am an anti death penalty American because I don't think it's appropriate for government (at any level) have the power to kill citizens on a whim. Besides, there have been many mistakes during many trials, which always leaves room for doubt.

You have a beautiful avatar. Do you deserve it?

Many argue that prison is worse than a death penalty. Plus even with judicial mistakes, prison years can't be undone. They are not even financially compensated for those criminals that are exhonorated. Why does then swapping prison for death make a difference?

Prison years can't be undone...but a life taken can never be returned. Ask the prisoners what they would prefer, I think most would say life.

 

[Coyote]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

Sex with children is not exactly widely acceptable. In many parts of the world - Muslim and NON-Muslim, girls are married at 12, which is also considered puberty. It's driven by poverty, culture, the idea that girls have little value (and it's not worth educating them) - even, in war torn areas - marrying them young to save them from rape. Not too long ago, when a supposed child bride was killed in Yemen - huge numbers of people protested child marriages, demonstrated against the government for laws preventing this and for enforcement of existing laws. It ended up being a hoax but it drove action.

It's a complex problem.

 

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

This quote is kind of messed up. I'm not sure which of these quotes you were addressing to me, or if you were meaning to address me at all.

 

[ChrisL]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

I'm an American. Besides, although I am angry, justice shouldn't be doled out based upon our emotions but upon the facts of the case. I am an anti death penalty American because I don't think it's appropriate for government (at any level) have the power to kill citizens on a whim. Besides, there have been many mistakes during many trials, which always leaves room for doubt.

You have a beautiful avatar. Do you deserve it?

Many argue that prison is worse than a death penalty. Plus even with judicial mistakes, prison years can't be undone. They are not even financially compensated for those criminals that are exhonorated. Why does then swapping prison for death make a difference?

Prison years can't be undone...but a life taken can never be returned. Ask the prisoners what they would prefer, I think most would say life.

There was a case in a neighboring state to mine where a police officer was convicted of killing his mistress. Well, come to find out, years and years later, he was innocent.

Scott Hornoff New England Innocence Project

 

[Coyote]

Seriously disturbing. How were they able to get away with this? Does nobody care about these kids? WTH? Hearing about stuff like this, just makes me soooo angry.

Angry? Very interesting response. So why is the death penalty not acceptable to you Britons then?

I'm an American. Besides, although I am angry, justice shouldn't be doled out based upon our emotions but upon the facts of the case. I am an anti death penalty American because I don't think it's appropriate for government (at any level) have the power to kill citizens on a whim. Besides, there have been many mistakes during many trials, which always leaves room for doubt.

You have a beautiful avatar. Do you deserve it?

Many argue that prison is worse than a death penalty. Plus even with judicial mistakes, prison years can't be undone. They are not even financially compensated for those criminals that are exhonorated. Why does then swapping prison for death make a difference?

Prison years can't be undone...but a life taken can never be returned. Ask the prisoners what they would prefer, I think most would say life.

There was a case in a neighboring state to mine where a police officer was convicted of killing his mistress. Well, come to find out, years and years later, he was innocent.

Scott Hornoff New England Innocence Project

There are way too many cases like that, and more and more keep coming to light. I oppose the death penalty because of it's innate injustice and inequality. If you're rich, have a good lawyer, white, you will get jail time over the death penalty. If you are a black male and the victim is a white female - you are more likely to get the death penalty than vice versa. Even eye witness's have been proven to be inaccurate. If the defendent is poor, he is far less likely to be able to get a good defense. There is just so much wrong with the system. It's brutal.

 

[Coyote]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

This quote is kind of messed up. I'm not sure which of these quotes you were addressing to me, or if you were meaning to address me at all.

I'm having frustrating software problems with quotes and replies

 

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

Sex with children is not exactly widely acceptable. In many parts of the world - Muslim and NON-Muslim, girls are married at 12, which is also considered puberty. It's driven by poverty, culture, the idea that girls have little value (and it's not worth educating them) - even, in war torn areas - marrying them young to save them from rape. Not too long ago, when a supposed child bride was killed in Yemen - huge numbers of people protested child marriages, demonstrated against the government for laws preventing this and for enforcement of existing laws. It ended up being a hoax but it drove action.

It's a complex problem.

I googled the Yemeni child bride and do not see where it was ever exposed as a hoax.

Oh, there have been other young girls who have died on the wedding nights due to internal bleeding. I know you're going to find other excuses, but I'm sorry, but this religion is awful and yes, it condones these types of actions against women. It's a very horrible and oppressive religion towards women and girls.

Child marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty.[24] Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty.[25] Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty.[23] In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six,[26] and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.[27][28]

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

 

[ChrisL]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

This quote is kind of messed up. I'm not sure which of these quotes you were addressing to me, or if you were meaning to address me at all.

I'm having frustrating software problems with quotes and replies

I know how annoying that can be. Grrr.

 

[Coyote]

There's been a lot of scandal in the UK in regards to sexual crimes against children being covered up going back some years.

A ‘big political cover-up’ of 1980s pedophile-ring in U.K. Parliament?

This is also from July but - it's disturbing to read the occupations of some of the people arrested but it sounds like they are taking things seriously and trying to clean it up: National Crime Agency - UK-wide operation snares 660 suspected paedophiles

An unprecedented six-month operation coordinated by the NCA and involving 45 police forces across England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland has led to the arrest of 660 suspected paedophiles.
More than 400 children across the UK have been safeguarded.
Some of those arrested had unsupervised access to children in the course of their work. They include doctors, teachers, scout leaders, care workers and former police officers.​

In my other thread about Pakistani men raping 1400 girls, I consistently maintained that authorities were involved in it. But most people who engaged in the discussion on that thread just latched on to one aspect of the culprits - their Pakistani/Muslim origin. They kept maintaining that this happened because UK society is too PC. This line of argument never made any sense to me because British society although is a great society, it still does have great deal of racism that it needs to overcome. Now there are new reports coming out which indicate that high level UK politicians were involved in child prostitution rings, which proves my initial line of argument that I consistently made in my other thread.

Well I agree that there are pedophiles of all origins, but having sex with children is an acceptable practice in a lot of predominantly Muslim cultures.

This is what I meant when I spoke of culture clash. Something that is a crime in America or the UK, can be a perfectly acceptable practice in another culture. They don't think there is anything wrong with bedding down with a 12-year-old child.

Sex with children is not exactly widely acceptable. In many parts of the world - Muslim and NON-Muslim, girls are married at 12, which is also considered puberty. It's driven by poverty, culture, the idea that girls have little value (and it's not worth educating them) - even, in war torn areas - marrying them young to save them from rape. Not too long ago, when a supposed child bride was killed in Yemen - huge numbers of people protested child marriages, demonstrated against the government for laws preventing this and for enforcement of existing laws. It ended up being a hoax but it drove action.

It's a complex problem.

I googled the Yemeni child bride and do not see where it was ever exposed as a hoax.

Oh, there have been other young girls who have died on the wedding nights due to internal bleeding. I know you're going to find other excuses, but I'm sorry, but this religion is awful and yes, it condones these types of actions against women. It's a very horrible and oppressive religion towards women and girls.

Child marriage - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Most religions, over history, influenced the marriageable age. For example, Christian ecclesiastical law forbade marriage of a girl before the age of puberty.[24] Hindu vedic scriptures mandated the age of a girl's marriage to be adulthood which they defined as three years after the onset of puberty.[25] Jewish scholars and rabbis strongly discouraged marriages before the onset of puberty.[23] In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices have permitted marriage of girls below the age of 10, because Shariat law is based in part on the life and practices of Muhammad, the Prophet, as described in part in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. The Prophet married Aisha, his third wife, when she was about age six,[26] and consummated the marriage when she was about age nine.[27][28]

Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

—Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

I think this is important -- In contrast, some Islamic marriage practices

The Yemeni incident might or might not have been a hoax - I read somewhere that it was and elsewhere that it wasn't -
snopes.com 8 Year-Old Yemeni Child Bride Dies of Internal Injuries

In a sense though it doesn't matter because it has long been an issue in Yemen that Yemeni's have been trying to change and this particular story was the straw that broke the camel's back.

On Aisha though - there is dissent aamongst Islamic scholars to both her age of marriage and the accuracy of the Hadith that reported those events.

Aisha s Age

I HATE MY computer...it's not letting me reply right or paste links easily argh