Used and abused: UK's young girls

[Mindful]

It was merely a comment.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I will say - I'm exceedingly glad to be a citizen of a country with a constitution that balances power, protects rights and works; and a government that can be held accountable to it's people however cumbersome the process can be at times; and a justice system that works and is remarkably free of corruption. I am fortunate that religion is seperate from governance. Too may places around the world that is not true.

The truth of the matter is that you are exceedingly prone to indulging in these sorts of dishonest, grandstanding statements such as this that fly completely in the face of your longstanding established pattern of behavior.

 

[Coyote]

I will say - I'm exceedingly glad to be a citizen of a country with a constitution that balances power, protects rights and works; and a government that can be held accountable to it's people however cumbersome the process can be at times; and a justice system that works and is remarkably free of corruption. I am fortunate that religion is seperate from governance. Too may places around the world that is not true.

The truth of the matter is that you are exceedingly prone to indulging in these sorts of dishonest, grandstanding statements such as this that fly completely in the face of your longstanding established pattern of behavior.

Are you always such a putz?

 

[Coyote]

Agree. It's the cover up and the way this has been allowed to go unchanged for so many years largely because the people involved are VIP's. When the coverup includes law enforcement and politicians it's particularly revolting - those are the very people who are supposed to be protecting the citizens.

It's humorous the amount of headspace you give me rent free with your obsession. Islamophobia is like anti-semitism and it lends itself to witch hunts and a complete disregard for rational discourse. For example - this - what occurred in Rotherham.

The people running the ring and supplying the victims to perverts were mostly Pakistani. Criticism was rightly levied at the police for being reluctant to pursue this fully for fear of being charged with racism. That has definately got to change - crimes like this should not be in anyway affect by PC in terms of who is questioned or pursued.

The real racism is people who use this and insist it's a "Muslim pedophile epidemic" and a "Muslim problem". As if Muslims around the world are identical regardless of culture. In this case the perpetrators were almost overwelmingly Pakistani. Just one of many Muslim immigrant groups in the UK and in numbers hardly representative of Pakistani's as a whole. What they are is criminals.

Telling the truth is not an "alternate reality" and insisting on rationality is hardly vile. Your racism doesn't explain what seems to be a long standing British attitude in looking the other way when the perverts are VIP's. It doesn't explain many of these other incidents coming to light that do not involve Muslims. By painting it as a Muslim problem you are chopping off most of the real issue. Is your real focus and concern on child abuse or is it on Muslims?

You are now descending into the realm of Stupid. "Pakistani men rape British children as an expression of supremacism and misogyny"? Really now? The men involved in these activities are largely doing it for money. Human trafficking is a HUGE problem AROUND THE WORLD. Or have you not realized that? Modern media makes it easier for people to engage in it and profit from it. Your silly statement doesn't even begin to explain how many of the "customers" abusing these children are not even of Pakistani origin. Can you be any more racist?

Do you live in the UK like I do, have you seen the Pakistani muslims grooming 11 year old girls and the police stood by while it goes on. Have you been threatened by the police and social services when you complain about the grooming and rape, then faced muslim gangs threatening you with violence. It is not done for money at all, it is done purely out of racism and hatred as a form of terrorism. It is showing the people that Pakistani muslims are superior to them and have the government in their pockets. Now the people are fighting back and are demanding the government does something to stop the abuse. All we want to see now is arrest warrants for the 250 Pakistani men that are laughing at the British justice system and bragging about getting away with murder. Yes that is what they have also done, been recorded saying so and the government released them and gave them compensation. The ones who are RACIST are those that try and defend the Pakistani muslim men and make claims that have no foundation in reality.

You want to know how many of the "customers" were not muslims, the answer is NONE. Every single one was a muslim adult male whether Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Afghani, Somali, Palestinian, Egyptian or any other muslim nationality you can think of. It is all part of the Islamic culture that see Islamic property as being muslim for ever.

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

Ignoring the evidence instead of looking at why you support and defend islam again. If a religion has it as a basic command that they should marry very young girls and take non muslim girls as sex slaves then it has a problem. The problem is expounded when the participants declare that they cant alter the word of god and will not ignore those commands because the country they live in does not like them. Every adult male muslim is a potential child abuser because of their beliefs, not every Catholic adult male is a child abuser because they don't have it as their religion. Even secular Turkey still practises child marriage even though it is against the law.

That is total bullshit.

If that were the case child-marriages (of pre-pubescent girls) would be the NORM in all Muslim majority countries and you wouldn't have Muslims themselves fighting to end child marriages in their own countries. Look up the average ages of marriage in those countries.

Pedophiles will find a way to get children - regardless of whether they are Muslim and in a region that allows child marriages or a Catholic in an occupation that allows them close access with children. Men who aren't pedophiles have no desire to have sex with children whether they are Muslim, Catholic or Athiest.

 

[Coyote]

Do you, or do you not see the world as it really is watching it through your rose tinted spectacles from your ivory tower. There is no deliberate ,misrepresentation of the facts as the facts speak for themselves. In Scandanavian countries the muslim population is around 10% in total, yet the number of muslim rapes is over 50% of the total. Care to explain why this is and how it is a misrepresentation. The facts now are that many Europeans are not reporting rapes and serious sexual assaults as it is a complete waste of time, the culprits cry racism and are allowed to walk free. Is that right or is it pandering to a minority because they issue threats of violence

The way I look at it is that Coyote either is or is not Muslim. Considering the dishonest agenda here, it is impossible to tell.

If Muslim, then all the propaganda is intentional. It is right out of the C.A.I.R. handbook.

If not Muslim, then Coyote is, at best, a useful idiot, motivated by the need to feel good about herself (if, indeed, female) by this constant championing of anything to do with Islam. Some people just need a cause no matter how stupid, destructive and misguided, and her calling people racist is a projection of her own manifest hatred of anything that is not part of her Islamic cause. Of course, she supports all manner of vile, racist behavior as long as it is a Muslim doing it, but that doesn't stop her from seeking a sense of virtuousness by calling others racist for telling the truth.

So can you address any of the points being made in a rational manner or is that beyond your capacity?

Pedophile rings operating in the UK for years because the main violators are celebrities, politicians, doctors, policemen? That seems a huge issue and not an Islamic issue.

Strange that these only came to the attention of the people after the Pakistani muslim men were being arrested and charged, and the full scale of the problem was being seen. How many girls have been raped in the UK by Pakistani muslim men 2 million, 4 million or even 10 million That is the scale of the problem and because the numbers are huge people struggle to get their heads round them. The belief in the UK is that high profile celebrities are being outed to take the muslims of the radar before civil unrest starts in the UK and the muslim get a taste of their own medicine

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

Non e exist's as of yet, but take the cases we know about and agree with and if you look at those and extrapolate you get figures close to the million mark or higher. Rotherham 1400 girls take that as the benchmark and multiply it by the other 300 towns and cities in the north west and you get 420,000 and there are over 20,000 cities and towns in the UK. As the many cases have shown these are not isolated incidents but a widespread concerted effort to terrorise the young of the UK so the eventual takeover will be easier. If the young are terrorised they wont fight making the civil war so much easier. This is a common muslim method of land theft.

So you have no sources to support your claims in other words. "A common Muslim method of landtheft" That's the biggest load of baloney I've ever heard.

Sex trafficking has been around long before Muslim immigrants in the UK and the perpetrators have represented a wide variety of ethnic groups. Teen girls have always been vulnerable particularly those that come from rough backgrounds, broken homes, illegal immigrants or are in otherwise fragile circumstances. Here, in the US, it goes on all the time - it's almost impossible to end it, only keep a lid on it. If it's not the Pakistani's and Somali's doing it, it's the East Europeans - it's like the drug trade - there's a lot of money involved and well established criminal gangs.

 

[ChrisL]

Do you live in the UK like I do, have you seen the Pakistani muslims grooming 11 year old girls and the police stood by while it goes on. Have you been threatened by the police and social services when you complain about the grooming and rape, then faced muslim gangs threatening you with violence. It is not done for money at all, it is done purely out of racism and hatred as a form of terrorism. It is showing the people that Pakistani muslims are superior to them and have the government in their pockets. Now the people are fighting back and are demanding the government does something to stop the abuse. All we want to see now is arrest warrants for the 250 Pakistani men that are laughing at the British justice system and bragging about getting away with murder. Yes that is what they have also done, been recorded saying so and the government released them and gave them compensation. The ones who are RACIST are those that try and defend the Pakistani muslim men and make claims that have no foundation in reality.

You want to know how many of the "customers" were not muslims, the answer is NONE. Every single one was a muslim adult male whether Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Afghani, Somali, Palestinian, Egyptian or any other muslim nationality you can think of. It is all part of the Islamic culture that see Islamic property as being muslim for ever.

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

Ignoring the evidence instead of looking at why you support and defend islam again. If a religion has it as a basic command that they should marry very young girls and take non muslim girls as sex slaves then it has a problem. The problem is expounded when the participants declare that they cant alter the word of god and will not ignore those commands because the country they live in does not like them. Every adult male muslim is a potential child abuser because of their beliefs, not every Catholic adult male is a child abuser because they don't have it as their religion. Even secular Turkey still practises child marriage even though it is against the law.

That is total bullshit.

If that were the case child-marriages (of pre-pubescent girls) would be the NORM in all Muslim majority countries and you wouldn't have Muslims themselves fighting to end child marriages in their own countries. Look up the average ages of marriage in those countries.

Pedophiles will find a way to get children - regardless of whether they are Muslim and in a region that allows child marriages or a Catholic in an occupation that allows them close access with children. Men who aren't pedophiles have no desire to have sex with children whether they are Muslim, Catholic or Athiest.

You are wrong about them. Would you trust one with your daughter?

Muslim clerics resist Pakistan s efforts to end child marriage - The Washington Post

LAHORE, Pakistan — When police raided a marriage ceremony in Karachi on Wednesday (May 14) and found a 46-year-old groom about to marry his 14-year-old bride, the wedding didn’t come as a shock to most here in this conservative Muslim country — the raid did.

The bride told police her marriage had been consensual, police officials said. Her age was listed as 18 on the marriage certificate.

Marrying off girls as young as 10 is still a widespread practice in Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere in Asia and Africa, despite the prohibition of child marriage in some existing national and provincial laws. Between 2000 and 2010, about 24.4 million women between the ages of 20 and 24 were married before the age of 18, according to a report by the United Nations Population Fund.


Now some lawmakers in Pakistan are hoping to end the practice by introducing harsher punishments for clerics, guardians and spouses involved in arranging child marriages across the country. The province of Sindh, whose capital is Karachi, outlawed the practice in late April — hence the raid.

The Child Marriage Restraint Bill 2014 introduced in the National Assembly in March proposes amending a 1929 law by making involvement in a child marriage a recognizable offense and creating stricter punishments, including two-year prison sentences or fines of up to $1,000.


It’s been a long time coming, say supporters.

“It’s time that we stand up for our women,” said Marvi Memon, a lawmaker and a sponsor of the bill. “I have seen child rights violated in my constituency and around the country — in every single province.”

Still, Memon and other bill supporters are facing stiff resistance from opponents to the bill, such as the Council of Islamic Ideology, a body charged with advising the government on Islamic law.

In March, the council ruled that laws related to the minimum age of marriage were against the teachings of the Quran and that children of any age could get married if they had reached puberty. They argue that the Prophet Muhammad took underage wives.

 

[Vikrant]

It is also due to very poor and corrupt leadership in those countries that wants to keep the people at each others' throats and hating the rest of the world and blaming everyone else for their problems instead of their own corrupt leaders. This is a great way for their leaders to take attention off of the things that they are doing. Also, I believe that this is the reason why a lot of these countries have very poor education and amenities. This is how THEY want things. That is why it will never change, at least probably not in our lifetimes.

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

WHY ? because it tells the truth. Even the UK government and media have commented on the fact the biggest majority of UK aid to Pakistan goes into the pockets of its leaders. Just as the world knew all about Arafat and his $millions stashed in a Swiss bank.

Now you are creating a straw man.

Yes, UK's money should be used to make the lives of people in UK better. It should not go to Pakistan or any other country. Nobody is saying anything contrary - at least I am not.

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Birmingham's first Islamic school 'spent £1m of public money on school in Pakistan'

Birmingham s first Islamic school spent 1m of public money on school in Pakistan - Education News - Education - The Independent

Trying to deflect and failing the fact is very little if any aid makes it to the people that need it, and just recently people in the UK are asking why Pakistan has so much poverty when it can send rockets to mars. Cut the rocket programme and bring the country out of poverty, then stamp out corruption and backhanders.

Idiot, Pakistan does not have a space program.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Are you always such a putz?

A Jew hating Islamist supporter using a Yiddish word as a slur -- how quaint. .

 

[Phoenall]

Do you live in the UK like I do, have you seen the Pakistani muslims grooming 11 year old girls and the police stood by while it goes on. Have you been threatened by the police and social services when you complain about the grooming and rape, then faced muslim gangs threatening you with violence. It is not done for money at all, it is done purely out of racism and hatred as a form of terrorism. It is showing the people that Pakistani muslims are superior to them and have the government in their pockets. Now the people are fighting back and are demanding the government does something to stop the abuse. All we want to see now is arrest warrants for the 250 Pakistani men that are laughing at the British justice system and bragging about getting away with murder. Yes that is what they have also done, been recorded saying so and the government released them and gave them compensation. The ones who are RACIST are those that try and defend the Pakistani muslim men and make claims that have no foundation in reality.

You want to know how many of the "customers" were not muslims, the answer is NONE. Every single one was a muslim adult male whether Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Afghani, Somali, Palestinian, Egyptian or any other muslim nationality you can think of. It is all part of the Islamic culture that see Islamic property as being muslim for ever.

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

Ignoring the evidence instead of looking at why you support and defend islam again. If a religion has it as a basic command that they should marry very young girls and take non muslim girls as sex slaves then it has a problem. The problem is expounded when the participants declare that they cant alter the word of god and will not ignore those commands because the country they live in does not like them. Every adult male muslim is a potential child abuser because of their beliefs, not every Catholic adult male is a child abuser because they don't have it as their religion. Even secular Turkey still practises child marriage even though it is against the law.

That is total bullshit.

If that were the case child-marriages (of pre-pubescent girls) would be the NORM in all Muslim majority countries and you wouldn't have Muslims themselves fighting to end child marriages in their own countries. Look up the average ages of marriage in those countries.

Pedophiles will find a way to get children - regardless of whether they are Muslim and in a region that allows child marriages or a Catholic in an occupation that allows them close access with children. Men who aren't pedophiles have no desire to have sex with children whether they are Muslim, Catholic or Athiest.

From the camels mouth to set the record straight

Child marriage in Islam is subject to the condition that it serve a clear and real interest - islamqa.info

It is permissible for a man to arrange a marriage for his young son even if he has not reached puberty; it is also permissible for him to arrange a marriage for his young daughter even if she had not reached the age of puberty. It was narrated that there was consensus on this point, but that is provided that compatibility is taken into account and that a clear and real interest is served by this marriage.

Muhammad Aisha Islam and Child Brides


I realized that the Quran, the Hadith, and Muslim scholar’s writings state that a Muslim husband can engage in sex with a child-bride before she has her first menses. Further, Muhammad actually did just this – he had intercourse with Aisha prior to her first menses!
This increases the weight and scope of my argument and places Muhammad and Islam in a far darker, more disreputable, light. Many Muslims don’t know this and by their own standards Muhammad did the wrong thing in having sex with a child. Muslims have to answer for their continued support for Muhammad because he transgresses their standards. When children are allowed to be used for sex then that is sexual exploitation; so why do they support the creator and establishment of a system that entrenches the abuse and sexual exploitation of children?
I am not trying to use cheap polemics. Surely you realize that for children there are painful ramifications behind Muhammad’s action. They need to be discussed in detail and in context. It might be offensive to some but it needs to be discussed.


Then this that shows just how barbaric islam the world over is, raping a child to death under the pretext of marriage.

Muslim Man Rapes Child Bride Until She Dies

 

[Phoenall]

The way I look at it is that Coyote either is or is not Muslim. Considering the dishonest agenda here, it is impossible to tell.

If Muslim, then all the propaganda is intentional. It is right out of the C.A.I.R. handbook.

If not Muslim, then Coyote is, at best, a useful idiot, motivated by the need to feel good about herself (if, indeed, female) by this constant championing of anything to do with Islam. Some people just need a cause no matter how stupid, destructive and misguided, and her calling people racist is a projection of her own manifest hatred of anything that is not part of her Islamic cause. Of course, she supports all manner of vile, racist behavior as long as it is a Muslim doing it, but that doesn't stop her from seeking a sense of virtuousness by calling others racist for telling the truth.

So can you address any of the points being made in a rational manner or is that beyond your capacity?

Pedophile rings operating in the UK for years because the main violators are celebrities, politicians, doctors, policemen? That seems a huge issue and not an Islamic issue.

Strange that these only came to the attention of the people after the Pakistani muslim men were being arrested and charged, and the full scale of the problem was being seen. How many girls have been raped in the UK by Pakistani muslim men 2 million, 4 million or even 10 million That is the scale of the problem and because the numbers are huge people struggle to get their heads round them. The belief in the UK is that high profile celebrities are being outed to take the muslims of the radar before civil unrest starts in the UK and the muslim get a taste of their own medicine

Do you have an actual (unbiased) source showing how many girls have been raped by Muslim men in the UK?

Are you promoting violence against British Muslims?

Non e exist's as of yet, but take the cases we know about and agree with and if you look at those and extrapolate you get figures close to the million mark or higher. Rotherham 1400 girls take that as the benchmark and multiply it by the other 300 towns and cities in the north west and you get 420,000 and there are over 20,000 cities and towns in the UK. As the many cases have shown these are not isolated incidents but a widespread concerted effort to terrorise the young of the UK so the eventual takeover will be easier. If the young are terrorised they wont fight making the civil war so much easier. This is a common muslim method of land theft.

So you have no sources to support your claims in other words. "A common Muslim method of landtheft" That's the biggest load of baloney I've ever heard.

Sex trafficking has been around long before Muslim immigrants in the UK and the perpetrators have represented a wide variety of ethnic groups. Teen girls have always been vulnerable particularly those that come from rough backgrounds, broken homes, illegal immigrants or are in otherwise fragile circumstances. Here, in the US, it goes on all the time - it's almost impossible to end it, only keep a lid on it. If it's not the Pakistani's and Somali's doing it, it's the East Europeans - it's like the drug trade - there's a lot of money involved and well established criminal gangs.

Then do explain the former Yugoslavia for starters when the muslims went to war to steal land. Then Somalia, Darfur, Sudan, Philippines, Pakistan, Bangldesh, Ethiopia and Kenya were muslims have started civil uprisings so they can steal the land from the legal land owners. Every inch of land they now own outside of Saudi Arabia has been stolen by force from the people who lived there before Mohamed invented the death rape cult of islam. In every case they have raped children as part of the terrorism heaped on the heads of the population they are subjugating.
There is no sex trafficking involved so don't try and deflect by bringing in off topic nonsense, it is child rape as an act of terrorism and this is shown by Islamic sources

What Does Islam Say About Rape


Adultery or Terrorism?
It is incorrect to say that rape is merely a subcategory of adultery or fornication. In the well-known Islamic legal book, "Fiqh-us-Sunnah," rape is included in a definition of hiraba (terrorism or crimes of violence): "A single person or group of people causing public disruption, killing, forcibly taking property or money, attacking or raping women, killing cattle, or disrupting agriculture." This distinction is important when discussing the evidence required to prove the crime.

 

[Phoenall]

True look at the corruption in the Indian sub continent where senior officials line their pockets every chance they get, a good example of corruption is Arafat who creamed $billions from Palestinian aid and felted it away in a Swiss account. His wife now lives in luxury in France, not bad for a terrorist is it.

That was a stupid post.

WHY ? because it tells the truth. Even the UK government and media have commented on the fact the biggest majority of UK aid to Pakistan goes into the pockets of its leaders. Just as the world knew all about Arafat and his $millions stashed in a Swiss bank.

Now you are creating a straw man.

Yes, UK's money should be used to make the lives of people in UK better. It should not go to Pakistan or any other country. Nobody is saying anything contrary - at least I am not.

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Birmingham's first Islamic school 'spent £1m of public money on school in Pakistan'

Birmingham s first Islamic school spent 1m of public money on school in Pakistan - Education News - Education - The Independent

Trying to deflect and failing the fact is very little if any aid makes it to the people that need it, and just recently people in the UK are asking why Pakistan has so much poverty when it can send rockets to mars. Cut the rocket programme and bring the country out of poverty, then stamp out corruption and backhanders.

Idiot, Pakistan does not have a space program.

Who's the idiot now then

Pakistan Space Program

 

[Coyote]

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

Ignoring the evidence instead of looking at why you support and defend islam again. If a religion has it as a basic command that they should marry very young girls and take non muslim girls as sex slaves then it has a problem. The problem is expounded when the participants declare that they cant alter the word of god and will not ignore those commands because the country they live in does not like them. Every adult male muslim is a potential child abuser because of their beliefs, not every Catholic adult male is a child abuser because they don't have it as their religion. Even secular Turkey still practises child marriage even though it is against the law.

That is total bullshit.

If that were the case child-marriages (of pre-pubescent girls) would be the NORM in all Muslim majority countries and you wouldn't have Muslims themselves fighting to end child marriages in their own countries. Look up the average ages of marriage in those countries.

Pedophiles will find a way to get children - regardless of whether they are Muslim and in a region that allows child marriages or a Catholic in an occupation that allows them close access with children. Men who aren't pedophiles have no desire to have sex with children whether they are Muslim, Catholic or Athiest.

You are wrong about them. Would you trust one with your daughter?

Muslim clerics resist Pakistan s efforts to end child marriage - The Washington Post

LAHORE, Pakistan — When police raided a marriage ceremony in Karachi on Wednesday (May 14) and found a 46-year-old groom about to marry his 14-year-old bride, the wedding didn’t come as a shock to most here in this conservative Muslim country — the raid did.

The bride told police her marriage had been consensual, police officials said. Her age was listed as 18 on the marriage certificate.

Marrying off girls as young as 10 is still a widespread practice in Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere in Asia and Africa, despite the prohibition of child marriage in some existing national and provincial laws. Between 2000 and 2010, about 24.4 million women between the ages of 20 and 24 were married before the age of 18, according to a report by the United Nations Population Fund.


Now some lawmakers in Pakistan are hoping to end the practice by introducing harsher punishments for clerics, guardians and spouses involved in arranging child marriages across the country. The province of Sindh, whose capital is Karachi, outlawed the practice in late April — hence the raid.

The Child Marriage Restraint Bill 2014 introduced in the National Assembly in March proposes amending a 1929 law by making involvement in a child marriage a recognizable offense and creating stricter punishments, including two-year prison sentences or fines of up to $1,000.


It’s been a long time coming, say supporters.

“It’s time that we stand up for our women,” said Marvi Memon, a lawmaker and a sponsor of the bill. “I have seen child rights violated in my constituency and around the country — in every single province.”

Still, Memon and other bill supporters are facing stiff resistance from opponents to the bill, such as the Council of Islamic Ideology, a body charged with advising the government on Islamic law.

In March, the council ruled that laws related to the minimum age of marriage were against the teachings of the Quran and that children of any age could get married if they had reached puberty. They argue that the Prophet Muhammad took underage wives.

If you are asking me would I trust a Muslim man with my daughter based on no other reason than religion? Yes.

 

[Coyote]

Are you always such a putz?

A Jew hating Islamist supporter using a Yiddish word as a slur -- how quaint. .

Got a link showing I'm a Jew hater, Putz?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Got a link showing I'm a Jew hater, Putz?

Got a link showing you got no Putz, Jew hater?

 

[ThirdTerm]

Victim A had been in the care of a local authority outside of Bristol for most of her life and had dabbled in drugs and crime. At the start of last year, when she was 16, she and her boyfriend were arrested for an offence of dishonesty. A court ruled that she could be released from custody as long as she immediately left her hometown, which cannot be named for legal reasons. Social workers found her a flat operated by a private provider in an area rife with drug-dealing. She was to live there alone. Her adoptive father described her as “very vulnerable and frightened inside”. She was said to be scared of the dark and craved company. However, she was given a little supervision but left to cope alone for 22 hours a day. One of the first people she met when she ventured out alone was Said Zakaria. She asked him if he could get her “weed” and they began chatting. Within hours, the drugs gang Zakaria was part of was setting up shop in A’s flat. Over the next months they used it as a safe house to stash and prepare heroin and cocaine before selling it. Victim A grew fond of some of her abusers (her social worker compared it to a kidnap victim falling for her kidnappers). She thought of one of the gang leaders, Arafat Osman (Left Eye) as her boyfriend. When his brother, Abdulhai Aden (Trigger), came out of prison, Osman asked her to have sex with him as a welcome home present. She ended up having sex with both brothers. She later said she was glad to please the men and felt “part of something”.

Bristol sex ring Girl 13 was groomed and forced into sex with series of men UK news The Guardian

 

[Vikrant]

That was a stupid post.

WHY ? because it tells the truth. Even the UK government and media have commented on the fact the biggest majority of UK aid to Pakistan goes into the pockets of its leaders. Just as the world knew all about Arafat and his $millions stashed in a Swiss bank.

Now you are creating a straw man.

Yes, UK's money should be used to make the lives of people in UK better. It should not go to Pakistan or any other country. Nobody is saying anything contrary - at least I am not.

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Birmingham's first Islamic school 'spent £1m of public money on school in Pakistan'

Birmingham s first Islamic school spent 1m of public money on school in Pakistan - Education News - Education - The Independent

Trying to deflect and failing the fact is very little if any aid makes it to the people that need it, and just recently people in the UK are asking why Pakistan has so much poverty when it can send rockets to mars. Cut the rocket programme and bring the country out of poverty, then stamp out corruption and backhanders.

Idiot, Pakistan does not have a space program.

Who's the idiot now then

Pakistan Space Program

You are a much bigger idiot than I originally thought you were if you think that is a space program. If you call that a space program then by that standard even UK has a space program.

 

[Phoenall]

Sorry Coyote, but because of Muhammad and Aisha, marrying and having sexual relationships with children is not frowned upon in many Muslim dominated countries. Why do you continue to deny this? Why does this offend you so much? It is just the truth. The reason WHY we have so many issues is because of people who don't want to face the truth head on and would rather avoid it or make excuses for it. I suppose now we will get a barrage of reports about British natives having been convicted for pedophilia, and yes, there are pedophiles of all ethnicities, but this is a rampant problem in some Muslim countries, so much so that human rights organizations are involved.

It offends me because it's not the entire truth and people focus on religion and ignore the rest because it drives their own agenda which is to demonize the religion as one of pedophilia.

I don't disagree that religion plays a part in it but it's not the major part driving child marriages. There are pedophiles in every culture and they are no more common in Islam than in Catholicism though Islam, does grant them more latitude.

Ignoring the evidence instead of looking at why you support and defend islam again. If a religion has it as a basic command that they should marry very young girls and take non muslim girls as sex slaves then it has a problem. The problem is expounded when the participants declare that they cant alter the word of god and will not ignore those commands because the country they live in does not like them. Every adult male muslim is a potential child abuser because of their beliefs, not every Catholic adult male is a child abuser because they don't have it as their religion. Even secular Turkey still practises child marriage even though it is against the law.

That is total bullshit.

If that were the case child-marriages (of pre-pubescent girls) would be the NORM in all Muslim majority countries and you wouldn't have Muslims themselves fighting to end child marriages in their own countries. Look up the average ages of marriage in those countries.

Pedophiles will find a way to get children - regardless of whether they are Muslim and in a region that allows child marriages or a Catholic in an occupation that allows them close access with children. Men who aren't pedophiles have no desire to have sex with children whether they are Muslim, Catholic or Athiest.

You are wrong about them. Would you trust one with your daughter?

Muslim clerics resist Pakistan s efforts to end child marriage - The Washington Post

LAHORE, Pakistan — When police raided a marriage ceremony in Karachi on Wednesday (May 14) and found a 46-year-old groom about to marry his 14-year-old bride, the wedding didn’t come as a shock to most here in this conservative Muslim country — the raid did.

The bride told police her marriage had been consensual, police officials said. Her age was listed as 18 on the marriage certificate.

Marrying off girls as young as 10 is still a widespread practice in Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere in Asia and Africa, despite the prohibition of child marriage in some existing national and provincial laws. Between 2000 and 2010, about 24.4 million women between the ages of 20 and 24 were married before the age of 18, according to a report by the United Nations Population Fund.


Now some lawmakers in Pakistan are hoping to end the practice by introducing harsher punishments for clerics, guardians and spouses involved in arranging child marriages across the country. The province of Sindh, whose capital is Karachi, outlawed the practice in late April — hence the raid.

The Child Marriage Restraint Bill 2014 introduced in the National Assembly in March proposes amending a 1929 law by making involvement in a child marriage a recognizable offense and creating stricter punishments, including two-year prison sentences or fines of up to $1,000.


It’s been a long time coming, say supporters.

“It’s time that we stand up for our women,” said Marvi Memon, a lawmaker and a sponsor of the bill. “I have seen child rights violated in my constituency and around the country — in every single province.”

Still, Memon and other bill supporters are facing stiff resistance from opponents to the bill, such as the Council of Islamic Ideology, a body charged with advising the government on Islamic law.

In March, the council ruled that laws related to the minimum age of marriage were against the teachings of the Quran and that children of any age could get married if they had reached puberty. They argue that the Prophet Muhammad took underage wives.

If you are asking me would I trust a Muslim man with my daughter based on no other reason than religion? Yes.

Then you are a bigger idiot than I gave you credit for

 

[Coyote]

Got a link showing I'm a Jew hater, Putz?

Got a link showing you got no Putz, Jew hater?

Like I thought. All talk. You've never been able to come up with a link supporting your claims. I expect this too will quietly disappear unverified. Putz.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Like I thought. All talk. You've never been able to come up with a link supporting your claims. I expect this too will quietly disappear unverified. Putz.

were you looking downward when you said Putz, Jew hater?

 

[Coyote]

Like I thought. All talk. You've never been able to come up with a link supporting your claims. I expect this too will quietly disappear unverified. Putz.

were you looking downward when you said Putz, Jew hater?

Still no link Bigot Boy?

I'm not holding my breath.