US Revolution - Was it a good thing?

[Billy_Kinetta]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Ummm, no. Puritans came here in the 17th Century for that purpose, but had nearly vanished by the mid-18th Century, quite a bit before the talk of revolution arose. We broke because we were treated as a lowly taxable colony by George III, and were fed up with it.

Should we even be here?

I should be. Dunno 'bout you.

I'm certainly very happy to be reaping the benefits, however, not happy about pushing out American Indians in the process....

Such is the nature of human migration. It cannot be undone.

 

[Votto]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

The Revolution was about oppression from a centralized state.

What they were protesting seems almost trivial now. They complained about paying their fair share of taxes in the New World because paying for supplies and troops was expensive. And they complained about not having adequate representation.

Compare that with today. Ben Franklin once said that if the government taxed a tenth of our wealth it would be considered a harsh government. Hilarious. As for representation, the US Congress currently has only had an approval rating of around 10% for over a decade. IT seems we have no representation despite our freedom to vote.

Sounds like the colonists had it better than we do today.

 

[G.T.]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

The Revolution was about oppression from a centralized state.

What they were protesting seems almost trivial now. They complained about paying their fair share of taxes in the New World because paying for supplies and troops was expensive. And they complained about not having adequate representation.

Compare that with today. Ben Franklin once said that if the government taxed a tenth of our wealth it would be considered a harsh government. Hilarious. As for representation, the US Congress currently has only had an approval rating of around 10% for over a decade. IT seems we have no representation despite our freedom to vote.

Sounds like the colonists had it better than we do today.

If youre literally retarded they had it better than we do, today.

 

[Bonzi]

So, if what happened did not happen, would the what is now the US be part of the UK?

Any chance American Indians become more industrialized? Maybe we would be half Mexico half Canada? Thoughts on most probable outcome?

 

[Bonzi]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

The Revolution was about oppression from a centralized state.

What they were protesting seems almost trivial now. They complained about paying their fair share of taxes in the New World because paying for supplies and troops was expensive. And they complained about not having adequate representation.

Compare that with today. Ben Franklin once said that if the government taxed a tenth of our wealth it would be considered a harsh government. Hilarious. As for representation, the US Congress currently has only had an approval rating of around 10% for over a decade. IT seems we have no representation despite our freedom to vote.

Sounds like the colonists had it better than we do today.

I'd have to say based on what I've read etc the 50s was the best time, financially speaking

 

[Votto]

So, if what happened did not happen, would the what is now the US be part of the UK?

Any chance American Indians become more industrialized? Maybe we would be half Mexico half Canada? Thoughts on most probable outcome?

The US is now doing its best to become the UK, first by adopting their socialism cuz the Revolution was a regressive act.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

They Wandered Because They Were Always on the Run

The Indians were originally prehistoric criminal gangs escaping from China and Siberia. A hideout is not a homeland. We finished the job Asian civilized races started.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

also, my issue with the NFL, well, this was just a straw that broke the camels back.

My main issue with the NFL (and other pro sports) is that they are WAY over paid and over glorified. It's a distraction from much bigger more important things we should be addressing, spending or money and time on etc. But that's off topic some...

How can you blame a distraction for being a distraction and not the distracted?

And theyre not overpaid by definition - they are paid what the market dictates. Not by tax dollars, but by consumers. They make exactly what they should, if you believe in free markets.

I agree to some degree. As a society, we are not focusing and involving ourselves in what is most productive and important to growth and long term survival.

Major sports is a waste on time and money overall

Critics Get a False Self-Esteem Through Contempt for the Majority

Because of the oligarchic Constitution, average Americans have no political power. So they try to get some vicarious sense of power by imagining they are on the field with muscleman athletes.

They're not pathetic escapists. The ruling class gives them no other choice.

 

[Bonzi]

also, my issue with the NFL, well, this was just a straw that broke the camels back.

My main issue with the NFL (and other pro sports) is that they are WAY over paid and over glorified. It's a distraction from much bigger more important things we should be addressing, spending or money and time on etc. But that's off topic some...

How can you blame a distraction for being a distraction and not the distracted?

And theyre not overpaid by definition - they are paid what the market dictates. Not by tax dollars, but by consumers. They make exactly what they should, if you believe in free markets.

I agree to some degree. As a society, we are not focusing and involving ourselves in what is most productive and important to growth and long term survival.

Major sports is a waste on time and money overall

Critics Get a False Self-Esteem Through Contempt for the Majority

Because of the oligarchic Constitution, average Americans have no political power. So they try to get some vicarious sense of power by imagining they are on the field with muscleman athletes.

They're not pathetic escapists. The ruling class gives them no other choice.

So it's a bodily dictatorship

 

[AVISSSER]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

Nope...get your ass back on the boat...you first.
The 'folks that lived here' did nothing with it. Europeans SETTLED the continent. They brought commerce, rule of law, infrastructure, trade, science, art, medicine...progress.
As to whether our revolution was a good thing, well look at the alternatives and what has sprouted from those nations in the Anglosphere which never had an armed revolt.
Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa...Some would say those are better and some would say they are worse. I tend to think that the system we have is much better.

 

[Votto]

This cartoon seems to have been made by some whitey racist groups, but it still makes a good point and is funny.

 

[GHook93]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

What the fuck are you talking about. The primary reason was because taxation without representation. The sugar and stamp tax for example. Then we had no voice in parliament on the matter.


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[GHook93]

also, my issue with the NFL, well, this was just a straw that broke the camels back.

My main issue with the NFL (and other pro sports) is that they are WAY over paid and over glorified. It's a distraction from much bigger more important things we should be addressing, spending or money and time on etc. But that's off topic some...

How can you blame a distraction for being a distraction and not the distracted?

And theyre not overpaid by definition - they are paid what the market dictates. Not by tax dollars, but by consumers. They make exactly what they should, if you believe in free markets.

Sorry hoss, but professional athletes are UNDERPAID, by definition.

Why professional athletes are actually underpaid

Underpaid? OK, people can make an argument for anything no matter how batshit crazy it is.


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[Votto]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

What the fuck are you talking about. The primary reason was because taxation without representation. The sugar and stamp tax for example. Then we had no voice in parliament on the matter.


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It was a combination of things. The final straw was, they came after their ammo.......

 

[GHook93]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

I hate to say this but there were wars going on in America long before America was founded. The Indian tribes were warring against each other, killing the men and making the women and children slaves. The British were warring against the French, the French were warring against the Spanish, the Spanish were warring against the British. It to the Christians of the United States of America, to bring peace to the lands, to have everyone treated equally under God, but the liberals have so rewritten History that because of the White Man all the death and destruction was HIS fault and no one else's. This country was based on an idea, and though it wasn't perfect, it did allow anyone, to succeed.
America: Imagine the World Without Her (2014) - IMDb

Freeman makes a great point about the greatness of America. If you are born in said other country and born to the elite you are rich, but here it doesn’t matter. You can always grow out of it if you work hard. He even says that the super wealth in a few generations could have nothing. Take Anderson Cooper - he is a dissident from Vanderbilts and he didn’t inherit super wealth

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Ummm, no. Puritans came here in the 17th Century for that purpose, but had nearly vanished by the mid-18th Century, quite a bit before the talk of revolution arose. We broke because we were treated as a lowly taxable colony by George III, and were fed up with it.

Should we even be here?

I should be. Dunno 'bout you.

I'm certainly very happy to be reaping the benefits, however, not happy about pushing out American Indians in the process....

That is the guilt that the liberals have been forcing upon you. When one tribe would prey upon the other tribe, men would die, and the women and children would be turned into slaves. But it took the white people to bring peace to the tribes, because otherwise the warring amongst them would continue. Just like in Africa, without the white men to bring civilization to the warring blacks, which continue today, there would be a lot less black people there. Just liberals need victims to pass their Marxist agenda, and to change history to make the liberals look like saints. Before Andrew Jackson declared war on the Indians, the peace between the white men and Indians was pretty solid. But those damn Democrats always seem to fuck things up.

Andrew Jackson and His Indian Wars: | Ashbrook

The expulsion of Native Americans from the eastern half of the continent to the Indian Territory beyond the Mississippi River remains one of the most notorious events in U.S. history, and the man most responsible and most widely blamed for their removal is Andrew Jackson(D).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

What the fuck are you talking about. The primary reason was because taxation without representation. The sugar and stamp tax for example. Then we had no voice in parliament on the matter.


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Nobles Love Savages

No, it was the same reason we should have had a second revolution after the Kennedy and Bush plutocrats took over: The British aristocracy hated and feared all other White people. The Royal Proclamation of 1763 gave all the land west of the Appalachians to the Indians, cooping us in and thwarting our Manifest Destiny. Just like the putrid preppies today, they wanted Unfortunate Sons to stay in their place and not have any pride. The same selfish anti-social plutes push this anti-taxation explanation for the first American Revolution.

 

[Syriusly]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

Sorry Bonzi- that isn't accurate.

Some of the immigrants who came to the future United States were Puritans- essentially the Plymouth colony. The rest weren't.

Pennsylvania was mainly settled originally by Quakers- another persecuted religious minority.
New York was settled originally by the Dutch and then future English immigrants were not any specific religious minority.

The Southern colonies were settled largely by Church of England followers- which was the official religion of England for most of the colonial years.

And the relationship with the native dwellers is just as complicated. At times we worked with them- but ultimately we (my ancestors along with others) always broke our agreements the natives and did indeed push them out- the survivors.

The Revolution itself had not much to do with that- if you question is whether the Revolution was a good thing- yes it was ultimately.

Should we be here? Too late for those regrets- we are. I am proud of my settler ancestors(Puritans), they were brave, hard working and resolute. But their actions also destroyed native populations- I am not proud of that- but not responsible either.

 

[Syriusly]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Of course, this was in the 1760's before wars started.... and then, we drove out the folks that lived here all along....

Should we even be here?

, to bring peace to the lands, to have everyone treated equally under God, but the liberals have so rewritten History that because of the White Man all the death and destruction was HIS fault and no one else's. This country was based on an idea, and though it wasn't perfect, it did allow anyone, to succeed.]

liberals have so rewritten history- the history that Conservatives twisted to their own purposes for years.

Yes- I will admit- because of liberals, the history of slavery is no longer glorified. Because of liberals, the history of the Europeans attacks on the native Americans is no longer twisted so that the Europeans are always the heroes and glorified, and the natives are no longer always portrayed as blood thirsty savages.

American history is complicated. There are plenty of apologists who want to pretend that European/Americans never did anything bad. And yes- there are those who want to pretend that they only did bad things.

What we ended up with- eventually- is our great nation- but along the way- we did many bad things we should acknowledge and learn from- from slavery to the "Trail of Tears". The 'bad' things are not the sum of our nation- we are the sum of everything we have done- good and bad- but mostly the good has outweighed the bad.

 

[Syriusly]

Let's think about the beginning of the United States.....

We broke from England due to religious persecution. These were primarily Puritans, who, believed in Predestination and ironically, came to escape the Catholic church (the largest denomination).

Ummm, no. Puritans came here in the 17th Century for that purpose, but had nearly vanished by the mid-18th Century, quite a bit before the talk of revolution arose. We broke because we were treated as a lowly taxable colony by George III, and were fed up with it.

Should we even be here?

I should be. Dunno 'bout you.

I'm certainly very happy to be reaping the benefits, however, not happy about pushing out American Indians in the process....

That is the guilt that the liberals have been forcing upon you. When one tribe would prey upon the other tribe, men would die, and the women and children would be turned into slaves. But it took the white people to bring peace to the tribes,

And by 'peace' you mean killing most of the native Americans- and driving the remainder into ever shrinking reservations that were in the last desirable places in the United States- and if by chance gold or oil were discovered there- driving the natives out of those places too.

Imagine if a nation were to conquer the United States today, killing 90% of the population- but then bragged how they ended the oppioid epidemic that was killing so many Americans.

That is what you are doing.