US district Judge rules ban on guns for felon is unconstitutional

[martybegan]

You lost me

What does that mean?

"Hey Bruen made me do it, Felons now get guns!"

 

[TNHarley]

Most gun owners including me agree with denying guns to criminals

What about other rights?

 

[TNHarley]

Lets say someone gets convicted of some economic crime.
After they serve their time, should they lose their right to participate in the economy?
Lets say someone gets convicted of a crime associated with their religion. Should they lose their right to freedom of religion?
Im just wondering how far you guys are willing to go.

 

[TNHarley]

You made that up, which is why you can't show what "paid their dues" means in the Constitution.

So according to you:

• They can sentence you to life in prison
• They cannot sentence you to permanently lose your gun rights

That's stupid, there is no Constitutional basis for that distinction. You MADE IT UP

Paid their dues, meaning they served their time and completed everything involved in their punishment. Parole, fines etc.
Losing their right to the second amendment is never handed down in their punishments. Its laws that do that.
Keep trying.

 

[Rogue AI]

I said there is no time limit on punishment. So now you're back to that any permanent punishment is Unconstitutional. Sure, guy, prison for life for first degree murder is Unconstitutional. Bull fucking shit, you made that up. Then you changed your story. Now you changed it back.

When you decide what your position is, let me know

The prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, requirements for warrants and seizure, and the right to a speedy trial say otherwise. The government does not have the power of unlimited punishment.


The idea of life in prison did not exist in the Founders' time, yet capital punishment was fully accepted, and is specifically mentioned. Life in prison only shows up on our legal system in the 1850's. Life in prison should require a Constitutional amendment, but this country is too lazy to do things the right way.

 

[kaz]

Paid their dues, meaning they served their time and completed everything involved in their punishment. Parole, fines etc.
Losing their right to the second amendment is never handed down in their punishments. Its laws that do that.
Keep trying.

I didn't ask you to define paid their dues, I asked repeatedly where it is in the Constitution. The courts aren't citing you

 

[TNHarley]

Life in prison should require a Constitutional amendment, but this country is too lazy to do things the right way.

Excellent! Thank you.

 

[TNHarley]

I didn't ask you to define paid their dues, I asked repeatedly where it is in the Constitution. The courts aren't citing you

So you are seriously asking where the govt gets power to issue punishment?

 

[kaz]

Excellent! Thank you.

You do make your shit up, good luck with that. I oppose all gun laws, but I am not like you, it's not for the benefit of the criminals

 

[kaz]

So you are seriously asking where the govt gets power to issue punishment?

I'm seriously not asking that and there is seriously no way to get that out of anything I said unless your intent is to be a dick

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This is what the gun humpers wanted. This is what they do. They stall all conversation and throw out bullshit lines like, "We need to enforce the laws we have!"

Then, every time you turn around, the gun humper lobby is filing a lawsuit to delete current gun control laws and enforcement.

 

[Mac-7]

What about other rights?

They also cant vote

 

[okfine]

Show me where the govt has the authority to take away someones rights after they paid their dues.

11 States disenfranchise ex-felons from voting

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Show me where the govt has the authority to take away someones rights after they paid their dues.

Wrong question, when losing your right to carry a gun is part of paying your dues.

 

[elektra]

Robbing a store or person or anything with a gun should be automatic death penalty.

 

[kaz]

11 States disenfranchise ex-felons from voting

The Constitution says you can limit Constitutional rights by convicting them with their Constitutional rights respected. TNHarley made up the time limit

 

[Rogue AI]

Wrong question, when losing your right to carry a gun is part of paying your dues.

Except there is no provision for the revocation of rights.

 

[TNHarley]

They also cant vote

Thats not a constitutional right.
So, maybe, I should have been more clear.
What other constitutional rights should they lose?

 

[kaz]

Except there is no provision for the revocation of rights.

Dude, I love ya man, but that's stupid. According to you, they can't put you in prison then. That isn't what the Constitution says, you're confused. They must convict you while honoring your Constituional rights. If they do that, they can suspend your constitutional rights.

The issue is TNHarley is claiming there is a time limit. He completely that up, which is why he can't back it up

 

[TNHarley]

11 States disenfranchise ex-felons from voting

Thats not a constitutional right.