US denies attacks on Syria

[Bleipriester]

Russian Report:

"According to the report, one hundred and three (103) US, British and French cruise missiles fired at Syria were engaged by a range of Syrian air defense systems including Pantsir-S1, Buk-M2, Kub, Strela-10, Osa, S-125 and S-200 that, in turn, replied with 112 surface-to-air missiles (SAM).


In order, the effectiveness of these air defense systems were recorded as follows:

• Pantsir-S1: 25 missiles fired, 23 hits scored.
• Buk-M2: 29 missiles fired, 24 hits scored.
• Kub: 21 missiles fired, 11 hits scored.
• Strela-10: 5 missiles fired, 3 hits scored.
• Osa: 11 missiles fired, 5 hits scored.
• S-125: 13 missiles fired, 5 hits scored.
• S-200: 8 missiles fired, 0 hits scored.

The complete ineffectiveness of the S-200 to successfully engage any of the attacking cruise missiles has been put down to the SAM system’s biased design towards intercepting high-altitude aircraft, not low-flying missiles.

The statistics likely fail to account for Western cruise missiles that were downed or driven off target due to ‘soft-kill’ electronic warfare systems – something which Russian sources will never confirm the use of.

In any case, going by official numbers, the interception rate of Syrian air defenses during the US-led missile attack stands at about 70 percent."

Russian military releases full report for US-led missile attack on Syria, what air defense systems were used and their effectiveness

7 Phrump missiles, maybe one or two of them al-Mayda missiles got through, no French Phrumpon missiles got through.

 

[irosie91]

He did it again

 

[rylah]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

 

[rylah]

Trump announces withdrawal from Syria and cancels new sanctions against Russia.

Trump invited Putin to the WH.

 

[rylah]

He did it again

Chemical attack?
I hear reports about chlorine, if true it's a poke in the eye.
If I understand correctly Obama made sure those were not considered unlawful.

 

[Bleipriester]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

 

[rylah]

1. Seems to me that Your concern with countries surrounding Europe has a link to the refugee problem Germany faces. The concern is valid. I haven't met Syrian refugees when I was in Germany but I did visit immigrant neighborhoods, and had long conversations with the Arabs and one African pastor who seemed to manage peace in their neighborhood. This looked very uncomfortabe, alarming - he actually had certain streets he couldn't enter. I was questioned by Turks about my origins before they told where I could go grab a bite. This is very unhealthy. We don't have these things even in Israel.

Immigration is a major problem in Europe. We have been importing people we cannot need here, and they spread crime and take over whole cities. That´s not even related to the refugee crisis but has been a major problem before. The security concern of mine is that a we cannot need a giant ISIS caliphate spreading from Africa to the Middle East. Europe would be next. And before that we would have a dozen Islamist attacks per day in Europe - and this would be impossible without the immigration in question.

2. The comparison between Assad and the internet law as much as cameras...well being a middle easterner.. it just looks naive to me . The relativity in morale signals that You guys in Germany are in deep denial with yourselves. And really I don't try to be disrespectful. I myself had a shock when all that surveillance was installed in my country.
But in reality there's a real mess and massacres one just cannot put in comparison to cameras...this is REAL, not on Your TV. R-E-A-L-I-T-Y... This naivity probably comes from the fact that Germany, fortunately, didn't experience war in 70 years, and has been run over by some lunatic..I've heard very successful Germans telling me their country is getting occupied.
Really from a middle eastern perspective this looks...well pretty funny to say the least.
But the law is STUPID and TYRANNICAL. You should get the communists OUT, believe me we know.

I am not afraid of real communists. All they do is to wish a better form of government. When a mass monitoring becomes necessary it must be done - but only until it is no longer necessary. Politics that lead to the need of mass monitoring are the actual problem. Remove the cause and everything is fine - but they don´t and continue...

3. As for calling Assad a freedom beacon..You know my opinion. But I can say to You that without Iran my country would enjoy a relative quiet with Assad for another decade, we were at a state of war but no significant hostilities for at least a decade. So that I'm willing recognize and appreciate.

“The uniqueness of this great nation is its freedom; the right how to dress, speak and live according to one’s own choice."
That´s the actual Syria. People go to the government and say they are afraid of all the potato bags and the government removes the potato bags. There has been an increase of Islamism in Syria for decades.
However, one of Assad´s first actions was to offer Israel recognition, peace and normal relations - in return for the occupied Golan Heights. But you can imagine that US backed leaderships are not interested in compromises. They drive Syria toward Iran and Hezbollah.

4. But when You say - that You don't need warmongers who work against their people...well I just cannot agree this is Assad. I know too much about Kurds. Please respect that this is my side.

Rethink it. What if some Israelis want to separate? Syria was mellow when dealing with the Kurds. Look at Turkey for a different example. But Kurds also like to blow stuff up sometimes. However, Kurds fare well in Syria, even foreign Kurds can gain Syrian nationality. "Oppression" is really the wrong term here.

If I sum it up...I'd suggest You visit the middle east once, not the one in Your town , but a real country, even preferably a traditional Muslim one, so that You can comprehend and compare to Your country. I think such an experience could put things in a healthy perspective and make You see what goes on the ground beyond western TV.
But frankly it doesn't seem You care, or interested too much beyond what You see is an attempt to defend Your country, and somehow this leads to unquestionable support for Assad.
I can understand that - but I also understand that.. an average middle easterner looking at what bs You buy simply laughs. Most of Europe looks naive and easy to manipulate.

I really don't want to be disrespectful but this is what I see, being born in the middle east and visiting Germany a couple of times. Also it seems to me that when the day comes Your men will have to deal with a real challenge - and as much as the minorities - it won't be pretty at all.
Only then will You understand the middle east.

Hope this didn't come off as disrespectful.

And here´s where Assad moves in again. The Syrian government ensures that Syria can remain a free society, Islamists get no chance. But they also get their own way of living. If two parties want to solve a case using Sharia law - they are free to do that.
There were limitations. Syria banned Facebook in 2007 - sorry, it was due to a flood of hasbara trolls making anti-government agitation. Maybe not the best way to deal with it, but it is a thing of the past anyway.

If a guy incites to murder on the net - must be cencored for public security.
If just another stupid idiot expressing views people might not like...well go argue with him, or use that to prove idiots are idiots - DON'T SHUT THE CONVERSATION. This is alarming., to say the least. I'd feel really uncomfortable in a country where idiots can't express their opinions

Although not sure how connected to Syria.

You cannot censore stuff on Facebook. When you say at home, this or that guy must be killed, it won´t be censored, deleted. And most of the stuff posted on Facebook remains within the community in support of it. So nobody is going to report it. And such posts that your example describes - we can´t take them serious. Also, Islamists use Facebook to pose with severed heads and coordinate attacks - that´s an actual problem but there is little they do about it. So the new fantastic law - what is it really about - as it can´t cover anything belonging to freedom of speech. It´s only effect is more monitoring, censoring in advance is very possible anywhere in the Internet.
It´s not connected to Syria - it was an example for hypocrisy when talking about a mysterious "Assad Regime".

Immigration - my impression was that the country faced a bit different problem regarding immigrants. Germany has a great social care, but it looks like signaled that it had virtually no problem with wide layers of society milking it forever, even before the Syrian war - I was told this about many Russians by a Russian who's a society.. Your country. The Turk- Kurd problem crossed into Your borders as well.
Police - DOES NOT display enough authority, or give a sense of security.
The country is very divided to my impression and there's an alarming stress in the air.

Communists - foreign to me, don't like any marxists, stalinists or any of that.
In the middle east there're royals. When they begin to mask in new imperial ideologies it leads them away from the roots, and creates even less sense. Looks like a total contradiction for deeply traditional societies to go into extremely secular ideologies. This is destruction of the Arab world and spirit.

Paper bag analogy - funny, but it's not Europe where this is natural. This doesn't impress me at all. As much as Assad's, both father and son propositions. We hear them totally differently than You might. That was a badly disguised political play for the west, but meant a totally different message for the middle east. I remember comparing it to "an invitation to rape our women".
But if we we put those insulting 'propositions' aside and discuss a real possible reconciliation, there's always a basic question - what can Syria offer Israel?

Israelis are the only true friend Kurds have. If situation allowed we'd help them even more and openly - they deserve it. Somehow we have a place in our hearts for Kurds, and have a deep understanding of what they're going through. People who kept to their land, traditions, language and culture, in spite of those who try to shove Arabism down their throats - deserve recognition and our friendly support. Good news from Kurds always make us happy.

Assad moves in or moves out - is not what's gonna change the important considerations. In my view he's the main reason for the unrest. But if Syrians, who remained and survived want him...their choice, they deserve it for good and for bad.

 

[rylah]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

 

[Bleipriester]

Immigration - my impression was that the country faced a bit different problem regarding immigrants. Germany has a great social care, but it looks like signaled that it had virtually no problem with wide layers of society milking it forever, even before the Syrian war - I was told this about many Russians by a Russian. The Turk- Kurd problem crossed into Your borders as well.
Police - DOES NOT display enough authority, or give a sense of security.
The country is very divided to my impression and there's an alarming stress in the air.

The Turk-Kurd problem came with the Turks and Kurds. I remember from my youth that when they have a dispute when playing soccer, the fellow Turk suddenly turned into a "fucking Kurd". A German and European problem is the lack of national identity. It is a political agenda imposed on the peoples. What the "libs" ignore is that those they welcome here, don´t share their values.

Communists - foreign to me, don't like any marxists, stalinists or any of that.
In the middle east there're royals. When they begin to mask in new imperial ideologies it leads them away from the roots, and creates even less sense. Looks like a total contradiction for deeply traditional societies to go into extremely secular ideologies. This is destruction of the Arab world and spirit.

Syria is secular but in no way extrem. Religions are respected and have official government representatives. Communism is a misunderstood term. It describes a society that doesn´t know the hardships that humans suffer today. Communism is basically the paradise on earth. There is no money, no poverty and no exploitation. So the idea is not a bad one. But it is actually very hard to accomplish. Socialism, on the other hand, is the way toward Communism. And those who practice it, differ in their way how they do it. Hardliners are Cuba and North Korea. Others, like Venezuela, allow private economy in large scales. Syria has developed a large private economy since Bashar Assad came into power.

Paper bag analogy - funny, but it's not Europe where this is natural. This doesn't impress me at all. As much as Assad's, both father and son propositions. We hear them totally differently than You might. That was a badly disguised political play for the west, but meant a totally different message for the middle east. I remember comparing it to "an invitation to rape our women".
But if we we put those insulting 'propositions' aside and discuss a real possible reconciliation, there's always a basic question - what can Syrian offer Israel?

Syria and Israel are still at war. So I didn´t expect anything else. Israel is backed by the west, its population originates from the West. So Israel is not so depended on local relations. However, local trade and cooperation could be established on a larger scale. Israel could invest in Syria´s economy. Together, they could cooperate against shared threats. As mediator, Syria could represent Israel´s interests in the Muslim neighborhood. In return, Israel could represent Syria´s interests in the West.
Many threats would vanish as a result. I just read: "Israel is a fortress but not yet a home". Israel can finally become a home as Syria could help Israel to be accepted in the Middle East, something the US cannot.

Israelis are the only true friend Kurds have. If situation allowed we'd help them even more and openly - they deserve it. Somehow we have a place in our hearts for Kurds, and have a deep understanding of what they're going through. People who kept to their land, traditions, language and culture, in spite of those who try to shove Arabism down their throats - deserve recognition and our friendly support. Good news from Kurds always make us happy.

I see a very different picture. Your government supports the Kurds because they wish to break up Syria and Iraq, maybe also Iran and Turkey. Except for the cheap oil from Iraqi Kurdistan, that Israel resold, there is no actual relationship.

Assad moves in or moves out - is not what's gonna change the important considerations. In my view he's the main reason for the unrest. But if Syrians, who remained and survived want him...their choice, they deserve it for good and for bad.

The 2011 protests are portrayed in a false context. They were not about "Assad must go". The demands were the end of the state of emergency and more internet freedom. Those demands were accepted and the state of emergency was lifted and Facebook allowed. They had their discussion boards before, by the way.
But the situation worsened already before. Armed Islamists appeared in many places. They shot at demonstrators and security personell, attacked government buildings and beheaded people. That weapons were supplied by the West before in covert operations. Example for coverage: State TV says Syrian military starts to leave Daraa

 

[Bleipriester]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

 

[rylah]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

 

[Bleipriester]

Israeli attacks on one or more Syrian air bases reported - maybe Russians were attacked.

Israeli missiles target military base allegedly filled with Russian soldiers: unconfirmed
Update: Syrian state media reports 9 Israeli missiles intercepted

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

 

[rylah]

There was no attack.
Russian should have kept an eye on and protect its' technology, her so called allies can't keep a secret.

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

 

[Bleipriester]

Israel doesn´t confirm strikes. Rumors say, Israel is interested in the T-4 base because advanced Iranian air defense might be deployed there.

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

 

[rylah]

Blei.... I tell You what I know. There were no jets flying before or during the reports online.
The same exact systems were exposed for all to see, days later they fired for nothing in the sky.

The boasting articles to keep the image are a good sign.

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

 

[Bleipriester]

The advanced air defense that Syria has again is reality. I have no reason to doubt their claims, even if some are exaggerated.

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

It´s up Israel to change polices. Israel, Iran, Syria need to get to the negotiation table and get rid of that issues that help nobody. Instead, two blocks are emerging, one led by Saudi Arabia and one led by Iran. There is few Iranian military in Syria by the way. The aid mostly consists of militias, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghan. They pose no security threat to Israel.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

 

[rylah]

No one ever underestimated the AA systems installed in Syria.
That's not the issue - cyber warfare has a bigger potential to cause damage in many cases.
In other cases it has a potential to prevent war without firing a bullet or even arriving at the place.
Sometimes it's a mere report that looks threatening but signals cooling down..like a couple of two sided messages about a engaging all of reserves in the early morning...because You want to have a day off. They get it. I think Assad has the least interest to go into another war, it's the allies around him who might drag him into one. And now all those allies look on the sides and have themselves to decide if the war is worth it because among many others Arabs won't give up on the Iranian advances all around the middle east. Assad can't decide for them, barely for himself.

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

It´s up Israel to change polices. Israel, Iran, Syria need to get to the negotiation table and get rid of that issues that help nobody. Instead, two blocks are emerging, one led by Saudi Arabia and one led by Iran. There is few Iranian military in Syria by the way. The aid mostly consists of militias, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghan. They pose no security threat to Israel.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

This seems a funny logic
What policies should Israel change in regards to Iran's declarations and detailed plans to destroy it? Assad and the Russians know exactly what's going on, they were pointed and explained very clearly and in various ways.

Your link doesn't show ANY of that, it's unlikely that he said any of it either.

 

[Bleipriester]

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

It´s up Israel to change polices. Israel, Iran, Syria need to get to the negotiation table and get rid of that issues that help nobody. Instead, two blocks are emerging, one led by Saudi Arabia and one led by Iran. There is few Iranian military in Syria by the way. The aid mostly consists of militias, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghan. They pose no security threat to Israel.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

This seems a funny logic
What policies should Israel change in regards to Iran's declarations and detailed plans to destroy it? Assad and the Russians know exactly what's going on, they were pointed and explained very clearly and in various ways.

Your link doesn't show ANY of that, it's unlikely that he said any of it either.

The link leads to the main page. I could not find the article cited as source because it is Hebrew.
So here´s an alternate source: Bennett: Leadership's 'stagnated thinking' is main threat to Israel's security

Israel and Iran need to talk. There is no reason not to accept each other. Giving a try doesn´t cost anything.

 

[irosie91]

It depends solely on the direction the current war takes. Assad has already officially told Iran to leave Syria after the war and Iran agreed. As long as other powers try to fuel the war with staged chemical attacks, ect, Iran will stay. If Trump succeeds in deploying the Saudi military in Syria, this will not help.

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

It´s up Israel to change polices. Israel, Iran, Syria need to get to the negotiation table and get rid of that issues that help nobody. Instead, two blocks are emerging, one led by Saudi Arabia and one led by Iran. There is few Iranian military in Syria by the way. The aid mostly consists of militias, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghan. They pose no security threat to Israel.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

This seems a funny logic
What policies should Israel change in regards to Iran's declarations and detailed plans to destroy it? Assad and the Russians know exactly what's going on, they were pointed and explained very clearly and in various ways.

Your link doesn't show ANY of that, it's unlikely that he said any of it either.

Rylah----you are arguing with a self declared Baathist/Stalinist

 

[rylah]

I hear about Iran taking Syrian resources as payment for help in war.
I hear about population exchange with Shia flooding from the east on Iran directions.

I didn't hear anything of substance about Assad telling Iran to leave.
Nothing that I could take seriously, do You have something to show me?

1. I didn´t hear about that but it sounds fair. Iran´s aid is not only military, it is also economically and they help rebuilding. I heard, Iran is also funding some Syrian deals with Russia.
2. I have no sources for this claim. But if true, how do both points matter?

3. Iran´s presence is not about Israel. This is what I have, it sounds a bit different from what I said but the result is the same:

"SOCHI, January 30. /TASS/. Iranian military forces are present in Syria at the invitation of the country’s government and will be withdrawn at Damascus’ request, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister for Arab and African Affairs Hossein Jaberi Ansari told reporters on Tuesday.

"When all the tasks are achieved, Iranian forces will leave the country with the consent of the Syrian authorities," he stated.

"They are there at the Syrian government’s request to resolve issues that the Syrian people have been facing," the Iranian deputy foreign minister stressed."

Iran to pull forces from Syria at Damascus’ request — diplomat

Not even remotely what You think it says.
They're on the ground, attempting to get close.
Their goals were openly stated.

Assad's allies have to consider on their own if Iranian revolution is worth the efforts and consequences of war. Many Arabs have no other choice but to confront Iran - Assad and Israel are not their main concerns right now. The question for his allies remains.

It´s up Israel to change polices. Israel, Iran, Syria need to get to the negotiation table and get rid of that issues that help nobody. Instead, two blocks are emerging, one led by Saudi Arabia and one led by Iran. There is few Iranian military in Syria by the way. The aid mostly consists of militias, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghan. They pose no security threat to Israel.

Israeli Minister: Main threat is the Israeli security policy, not Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran

This seems a funny logic
What policies should Israel change in regards to Iran's declarations and detailed plans to destroy it? Assad and the Russians know exactly what's going on, they were pointed and explained very clearly and in various ways.

Your link doesn't show ANY of that, it's unlikely that he said any of it either.

The link leads to the main page. I could not find the article cited as source because it is Hebrew.
So here´s an alternate source: Bennett: Leadership's 'stagnated thinking' is main threat to Israel's security

Israel and Iran need to talk. There is no reason not to accept each other. Giving a try doesn´t cost anything.

I can neither find that exact reference in this link.
He might have referred to something totally different.

But that's not the issue. There were times when Israel and the people in Iran were allies...
nothing changed on the Israeli side that isn't up to new cooperations, we're always busy doing exactly that succeeding in building new bridges.
Our message is clear -we'll do everything we can to get the ayatollahs away from us, and that we don't have anything with the people. Our job is to do everything we can to make their plans fails. Iranian people can support that if they choose and make clear to their rulers that they don't want any war with Israel. In the meantime I see Iran fighting it's own people.