Unions: Is this time and money well spent?

[Moonglow]

what?? Unions shipped 30 million jobs offshore and destroyed our middle class so should be made illegal and declared treasonous!!

You fool, Unions made the middle class.

Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival and then treasonously shipped it all to China.

How old are you? 10?

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival, and then unions treasonously shipped it all to China.

What US union shipped union jobs overseas?

 

[Indeependent]

and then they shipped it and our manufacturing base off shore!. Make them illegal again and declare them treasonous to bring it all back!!

You want the JP Morgan days back again?
Are you some sort of sick, dumb fuck?

JP Morgan days?? Can you say exactly what you are talking about?

Starvation wages, long hours, high mortality rates, child labor, the list of abuses of humans on humans is long and horrendous.
You've got some real life history to catch up on.

 

[Indeependent]

Note the term "Union Label". Last I checked, police unions don't manufacture anything. But, if you want to talk about them, have at it.

They produce safety zones for the very people who want them unemployed.
I was laughing my head off when the police were protecting Investment Firms from the Occupy Wall Street hoards.
Yeah, Unions suck...except when they're protecting the wealthy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

and then they shipped it and our manufacturing base off shore!. Make them illegal again and declare them treasonous to bring it all back!!

You want the JP Morgan days back again?
Are you some sort of sick, dumb fuck?

JP Morgan days?? Can you say exactly what you are talking about?

Starvation wages, long hours, high mortality rates, child labor, the list of abuses of humans on humans is long and horrendous.
You've got some real life history to catch up on.

dear, the pure beauty of capitalism is that it corrects all those things. You have to provide the best jobs and products possible just to survive under capitalism. Welcome to your first lesson in economics!! This is a huge day for you. Please post on fridge for daily review.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

what?? Unions shipped 30 million jobs offshore and destroyed our middle class so should be made illegal and declared treasonous!!

You fool, Unions made the middle class.

Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival and then treasonously shipped it all to China.

How old are you? 10?

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival, and then unions treasonously shipped it all to China.

What US union shipped union jobs overseas?

what planet have you been on! The UAW is the best example!! Ever heard of Detroit?? Now that you know would you want to make unions illegal again?

 

[Moonglow]

what?? Unions shipped 30 million jobs offshore and destroyed our middle class so should be made illegal and declared treasonous!!

You fool, Unions made the middle class.

Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival and then treasonously shipped it all to China.

How old are you? 10?

of course capitalism made the middle class, unions merely slowed down its arrival, and then unions treasonously shipped it all to China.

What US union shipped union jobs overseas?

what planet have you been on! The UAW is the best example!! Ever heard of Detroit?? Now that you know would you want to make unions illegal again?

So UAW shipped it's jobs overseas???
UAW is labor, GM is a corporation...if any jobs were shipped overseas it would not be by the labor unions, but by the CEO's of that corporation..once the manufacturer is gone, so is the union jobs, thus defeating the whole purpose of having the union..

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So UAW shipped it's jobs overseas???
UAW is labor, GM is a corporation...if any jobs were shipped overseas it would not be by the labor unions, but by the CEO's of that corporation.

dear, the CEO's did not demand uncompetitive wages and benefits, the unions did, leaving the Ceo's no choice but to go where wages and benefits were competitive. Do you understand now?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

..once the manufacturer is gone, so is the union jobs, thus defeating the whole purpose of having the union..

true enough, unions defeated themselves by shipping their jobs offshore, destroying the middle class, and our manufacturing base.

 

[Moonglow]

So UAW shipped it's jobs overseas???
UAW is labor, GM is a corporation...if any jobs were shipped overseas it would not be by the labor unions, but by the CEO's of that corporation.

dear, the CEO's did not demand uncompetitive wages and benefits, the unions did, leaving the Ceo's no choice but to go where wages and benefits were competitive. Do you understand now?

Yes I understand that you don't know the difference between who actually controls what a corporation does....and who ships jobs overseas, or even to mexico.. Many corps and companies in the US seem to make a profit without backstabbing the worker to gouge the consumer...

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Many corps and companies in the US seem to make a profit without backstabbing the worker to gouge the consumer...

dear, consumer hardly gets gouged when there is more intense international competition than ever before. Did you notice there are only 2 companies left out of dozens, and one, GM, would not be here without bailout!! Super slow??

 

[HenryBHough]

We need to see liberals commit to using only union labor when they need something done around their own homes. At, of course, Davis-Bacon wages payable in cash.

Until then their dedication remains suspect.

 

[MikeK]

Unions are victims of their own success. Virtually everything they campaigned for, such as the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, safety regulations, etc, have been put into law. Unfortunately, they act like it's still 1934. That's why they are increasingly being seen as useless, behind the times, and an arm of the DNC. They need to adapt and deal with the world the way it is today. Focus on making the Union Label mean superior quality and not just higher costs, for example, would go a long way.

What you are saying seems a bit like unions did some good but we don't need them anymore, which is rather thoughtless. If unions do become passè how long do you think it will be before the corporate lobbyists bribe enough legislators to do away with the 40-hour week, paid vacations, overtime pay, and other benefits and protections it took the union movement years and cost blood, sweat, and tears to achieve?

And don't think it can't happen, because without unions to fight against it there is nothing to stop it. Those of you who work at non-union jobs where the wages and conditions are satisfactory might no realize the only reason you are doing so well is because there still are unions and your bosses don't want to risk having a union rep dropping by and talking to you.

Organized labor has its faults. But American workers would be in bad shape without it -- just as they were before the union movement took hold.

 

[Indeependent]

and then they shipped it and our manufacturing base off shore!. Make them illegal again and declare them treasonous to bring it all back!!

You want the JP Morgan days back again?
Are you some sort of sick, dumb fuck?

JP Morgan days?? Can you say exactly what you are talking about?

Starvation wages, long hours, high mortality rates, child labor, the list of abuses of humans on humans is long and horrendous.
You've got some real life history to catch up on.

dear, the pure beauty of capitalism is that it corrects all those things. You have to provide the best jobs and products possible just to survive under capitalism. Welcome to your first lesson in economics!! This is a huge day for you. Please post on fridge for daily review.

Bullshit.
You must be an MBA or an old fart living off his off-shored investments to believe that fairy tale.

 

[MikeK]

I have no issues with labor unions in the private sector.

Public sector unions should be illegal. Period.

If not illegal, rigidly constrained by select public committees. Especially police unions -- which have become far too powerful.

 

[MikeK]

Bullshit.

You must be an MBA or an old fart living off his off-shored investments to believe that fairy tale.

Keepers at NYC's Bronx Zoo have installed plexiglas barriers beyond the bars of some cages in the primate exhibit because the monkeys there are known to defecate into their hands and throw it when something upsets them. The monkeys do this when they are frustrated because all that a monkey in a cage can do when he doesn't like something is throw shit.

Ignorance and stupidity are metaphorical cages. Personal insults and empty ad hominem comments are analogous to handfuls of shit to be tossed out in place of intelligent, reasoned, logical arguments.

 

[Indeependent]

Bullshit.

You must be an MBA or an old fart living off his off-shored investments to believe that fairy tale.

Keepers at NYC's Bronx Zoo have installed plexiglas barriers beyond the bars of some cages in the primate exhibit because the monkeys there are known to defecate into their hands and throw it when something upsets them. The monkeys do this when they are frustrated because all that a monkey in a cage can do when he doesn't like something is throw shit.

Ignorance and stupidity are metaphorical cages. Personal insults and empty ad hominem comments are analogous to handfuls of shit to be tossed out in place of intelligent, reasoned, logical arguments.

I agree...
Fairy tales such as...
the pure beauty of capitalism is that it corrects all those things. You have to provide the best jobs and products possible just to survive under capitalism.
is really nothing more than an ad hominem.

 

[hadit]

Unions are victims of their own success. Virtually everything they campaigned for, such as the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, safety regulations, etc, have been put into law. Unfortunately, they act like it's still 1934. That's why they are increasingly being seen as useless, behind the times, and an arm of the DNC. They need to adapt and deal with the world the way it is today. Focus on making the Union Label mean superior quality and not just higher costs, for example, would go a long way.

What you are saying seems a bit like unions did some good but we don't need them anymore, which is rather thoughtless. If unions do become passè how long do you think it will be before the corporate lobbyists bribe enough legislators to do away with the 40-hour week, paid vacations, overtime pay, and other benefits and protections it took the union movement years and cost blood, sweat, and tears to achieve?

And don't think it can't happen, because without unions to fight against it there is nothing to stop it. Those of you who work at non-union jobs where the wages and conditions are satisfactory might no realize the only reason you are doing so well is because there still are unions and your bosses don't want to risk having a union rep dropping by and talking to you.

Organized labor has its faults. But American workers would be in bad shape without it -- just as they were before the union movement took hold.

You misunderstand, I hope not deliberately. I said unions need to adapt to today's world in order to remain relevant. If they continue fighting battles they've already won, they AREN'T needed any more.

 

[boedicca]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

Yes why not make them illegal again and see if we can get back our middle class, manufaturing base, and 30 million well paid jobs??

 

[boedicca]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

Yes why not make them illegal again and see if we can get back our middle class, manufaturing base, and 30 million well paid jobs??

We have unions now and have lost those things. So it doesn't appear that Unions have made much a difference now, doesn't it?