Unions: Is this time and money well spent?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But American workers would be in bad shape without it -- just as they were before the union movement took hold.

of course thats 100% idiotic, illiterate, and liberal. The pure beauty of capitalism is that it forces business to provide the best produsts and jobs just to survive. Now you know why East Germany did worse the West Germany and why the USA did better than Red China.
These are things a child could understand, just not a liberal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

Yes why not make them illegal again and see if we can get back our middle class, manufaturing base, and 30 million well paid jobs??

We have unions now and have lost those things. So it doesn't appear that Unions have made much a difference now, doesn't it?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

Yes why not make them illegal again and see if we can get back our middle class, manufaturing base, and 30 million well paid jobs??

We have unions now and have lost those things. So it doesn't appear that Unions have made much a difference now, doesn't it?

dear we have very limited union activity now because unions shipped all the industries they were very active in off shore. Do you get it now?

 

[boedicca]

why?? they raise prices, ship jobs off shore, destroy our manufacturing, and generally hurt the economy!!

private sector unions are a minuscule slice of our economy and each year the slice gets smaller.


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Today, unions are mostly funding sources and shock troopers for Progressive Politicians.

Yes why not make them illegal again and see if we can get back our middle class, manufaturing base, and 30 million well paid jobs??

We have unions now and have lost those things. So it doesn't appear that Unions have made much a difference now, doesn't it?

dear we have very limited union activity now because unions shipped all the industries they were very active in off shore. Do you get it now?

Sorry bub, we have a government that has supported unions (cf., the illegal restructuring of GM to preserve union jobs).

The biggest contributions that unions made for workers regarding hours, working conditions etc. happened decades ago and are now codified into law.

Unions are obsolete structures that exist for the benefit of union leadership and the politicians that feed off of their contributions.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

are now codified into law.

Unions are obsolete structures that exist for the benefit of union leadership and the politicians that feed off of their contributions.

Millions work for minimum wage while union auto wages were 6 times higher. Pay is not codified into law???

 

[boedicca]

are now codified into law.

Unions are obsolete structures that exist for the benefit of union leadership and the politicians that feed off of their contributions.

Millions work for minimum wage while union auto wages were 6 times higher. Pay is not codified into law???

Only 4% of workers work for minimum wage, which is an entry level of pay for a lot of people (i.e. teenagers).

Anyone who makes minimum wage 20 years into his career has only himself to blame for not acquiring more valuable skills.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

are now codified into law.

Unions are obsolete structures that exist for the benefit of union leadership and the politicians that feed off of their contributions.

Millions work for minimum wage while union auto wages were 6 times higher. Pay is not codified into law???

Only 4% of workers work for minimum wage, which is an entry level of pay for a lot of people (i.e. teenagers).

Anyone who makes minimum wage 20 years into his career has only himself to blame for not acquiring more valuable skills.

point is that most workers now work for far less than auto union wage so union accomplishments are 0 except for shipping 30 million jobs, and our manufacturing base off shore, plus destroying the middle class.

 

[asterism]

What you are saying seems a bit like unions did some good but we don't need them anymore, which is rather thoughtless. If unions do become passè how long do you think it will be before the corporate lobbyists bribe enough legislators to do away with the 40-hour week, paid vacations, overtime pay, and other benefits and protections it took the union movement years and cost blood, sweat, and tears to achieve?

And don't think it can't happen, because without unions to fight against it there is nothing to stop it. Those of you who work at non-union jobs where the wages and conditions are satisfactory might no realize the only reason you are doing so well is because there still are unions and your bosses don't want to risk having a union rep dropping by and talking to you.

Organized labor has its faults. But American workers would be in bad shape without it -- just as they were before the union movement took hold.

I don't think that's accurate. The vast majority of private sector jobs are not union and the situation you predict is not happening in right to work states. There still is a valid role for unions but they are not focused on quality and staying ahead of the curve, they are focused on protectionist policies and manufacturing adversity.

A clear example of workers' views on unions can be seen whenever membership and dues are voluntary.

front lines Wisconsin Union Loses Half of Membership Due to Walker 8217 s Law

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

There still is a valid role for unions

so why not tell us what it is?

 

[asterism]

There still is a valid role for unions

so why not tell us what it is?

A union would be an excellent venue to keep the workforce trained on the latest techniques, best practices, and innovative strategies that make the system more efficient. Unfortunately (like in the case of Boeing's new plant in South Carolina), they resist innovation. It's shortsighted and it's the reason union membership looks like this:

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

A union would be an excellent venue to keep the workforce trained on the latest techniques, best practices, and innovative strategies

what? how would unions know what training is necessary and what a good strategy is?? That's what management is for. A union is there to get more pay for less work and thus drive our prices up.

 

[asterism]

A union would be an excellent venue to keep the workforce trained on the latest techniques, best practices, and innovative strategies

what? how would unions know what training is necessary and what a good strategy is?? That's what management is for. A union is there to get more pay for less work and thus drive our prices up.

Unions used to innovate and train. They don't do it much anymore.

 

[Stephanie]

The Union's are standing with Obama giving AMNESTY to the 20MILLION illegal immigrants in this country

But remember, they care about you

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Unions are victims of their own success. Virtually everything they campaigned for, such as the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, safety regulations, etc, have been put into law. Unfortunately, they act like it's still 1934. That's why they are increasingly being seen as useless, behind the times, and an arm of the DNC. They need to adapt and deal with the world the way it is today. Focus on making the Union Label mean superior quality and not just higher costs, for example, would go a long way.

What you are saying seems a bit like unions did some good but we don't need them anymore, which is rather thoughtless. If unions do become passè how long do you think it will be before the corporate lobbyists bribe enough legislators to do away with the 40-hour week, paid vacations, overtime pay, and other benefits and protections it took the union movement years and cost blood, sweat, and tears to achieve?

And don't think it can't happen, because without unions to fight against it there is nothing to stop it. Those of you who work at non-union jobs where the wages and conditions are satisfactory might no realize the only reason you are doing so well is because there still are unions and your bosses don't want to risk having a union rep dropping by and talking to you.

Organized labor has its faults. But American workers would be in bad shape without it -- just as they were before the union movement took hold.

Youngsters like Ed dear have no frikken idea what labor used to be like.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The Union's are standing with Obama giving AMNESTY to the 20MILLION illegal immigrants in this country

But remember, they care about you

Why do people say such stupid things?

Oh yeah, its Stephanie and BS is all she knows.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A union would be an excellent venue to keep the workforce trained on the latest techniques, best practices, and innovative strategies

what? how would unions know what training is necessary and what a good strategy is?? That's what management is for. A union is there to get more pay for less work and thus drive our prices up.

Unions used to innovate and train. They don't do it much anymore.

Not true. There are still apprentice programs available. I don't know if they all have them though.

 

[regent]

A union would be an excellent venue to keep the workforce trained on the latest techniques, best practices, and innovative strategies

what? how would unions know what training is necessary and what a good strategy is?? That's what management is for. A union is there to get more pay for less work and thus drive our prices up.

Unions used to innovate and train. They don't do it much anymore.

Not true. There are still apprentice programs available. I don't know if they all have them though.

Americans join unions for a number of reasons, many for the same reason doctors join their unions, businessmen theirs, food servers theirs, corporations theirs, veterans theirs and so on. As the need for organization is reduced, less will join, as the need increases, more will join. America will probably never go back to the pre-union days.

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:
Unions Latinos demand amnesty in 2013
snip:

Unions Rally Behind Amnesty Washington Free Beacon

many more but you all listen to Luddy, he the knower of all things

 

[Stephanie]

here they are looking out FOR YOU and jobs. this is what your UNION dues go for. killing jobs for yourself and you children

SNIP:
Regulators Aid Union Effort to Kill Franchising
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 9/2/2014 | Bill McMorris
Posted on ‎9‎/‎2‎/‎2014‎ ‎4‎:‎47‎:‎51‎ ‎AM by markomalley
Several key Labor Department regulators participated in a liberal conference focused on unionizing subcontractors and franchise employees.
Department of Labor Wage and Hour Division Administrator David Weil delivered opening remarks to a room full of union organizers and activists from the National Employment Law Project, a pro-union group partnered with the liberal millionaires and billionaires from the Democracy Alliance, in May.
“I view my task as helping to work with the people in the agency and in concert with worker advocates,” he said.
Weil told the gathering that the department has “undertaken a bunch of specific initiatives in particular industries,” in order to crack down on employers. The department, he said, has focused specifically on “the hotel industry, the restaurant industry, construction, the agricultural sector, [and] healthcare.”
Weil’s enforcement strategy will focus not just on specific complaints from employees of wage theft and workplace violations, but in tackling the structural nature of workplace regulation, he said.
“We’ve developed over time specific approaches to dealing with that and approaches to dealing with that and again approaches that are not just informed by saying ‘industry X has a lot of problems,’ but also ‘here’s how industry X is structured and here is how we can really affect change—how we can really make sure that when we go in the effects of that investigation ripple outward,” he said.
The attack on business structures has manifested itself in the current battle over joint employment standards and fast food franchising, which is undergoing extensive scrutiny at the department, as well as the National Labor Relations Board. Labor watchdogs and industry groups slammed Weil’s participation at the conference.
“This further proves what we’ve been saying all along: these things aren’t isolated incidents, but concerted actions by the administration, the NLRB, the Department of Labor to promote the union agenda,” said Angelo Amador, VP of Labor and Workforce Policy at the National Restaurant Association.
Labor groups have campaigned for years to unionize fast food workers, who would add hundreds of thousands of dues-paying members to their ranks. These efforts have met little success: Many fast food workers are young and there is high turnover.
However, the biggest obstacle has been the franchising system, in which small business owners pay parent companies like McDonalds to operate under the company trademark. While the corporation controls issues like menu options, the franchisees handle hiring, firing, and setting wages. Labor law has traditionally considered franchisees as separate entities from parent companies, which means that unions would have to organize restaurants piecemeal.
This system, as a NELP white paper reports, is difficult for unions to crack. Franchise owners earn low margins on their investments and increasing labor costs through collective bargaining could prove disastrous for the business owner and union member alike.
“Fast food franchisees themselves are in many cases unprofitable,” the report says. The ultimate goal, according to these activists, is to bypass individual franchisees and bring multi-billion dollar parent companies to the bargaining table. Unions could leverage individual worker grievances against franchise owners to bargain with parent corporations directly. They also could more easily organize the entire fast food labor force at once, rather than just individual restaurants.
“By breaking down the joint-employment barrier what unions are hoping to do is spend a lot of time and money to organize one franchise, then demand that McDonalds’ corporate headquarters come to the bargaining table,” said Glenn Spencer of the Workforce Freedom Initiative. “That makes it worth the time and money. They’ll ratchet up pressure on the corporate brand.”
Labor groups have received a huge boost from the Obama administration in eliminating that last obstacle. In July, National Labor Relations Board General Counsel Richard Griffin, a former union attorney, said in a legal brief that McDonalds could be held liable for the actions of its franchisees even if the parent company had nothing to do with the employment policies at issue.
The NLRB, the federal labor arbiter that oversees unionization, could decide on whether to preserve the firewall between franchisees, subcontractors, and corporations later this year in the Browning Ferris case.

all of it here:

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

America will probably never go back to the pre-union days.

we're heading back that way now, thankfully, given the horrible destruction unions caused by destroying the middle class, and shipping our jobs and manufacturing base offshore.