UK : Pakistani men sexually abused 1400 young/minor girls

In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.
 
David Cameron, honest? Are you high?

When he was leader of the Opposition to Blair's government, Cameron was one of the cheerleaders calling for the real whistleblower's imprisonment. In 2004, the BBC went undercover among the British National Party, where they recorded its leader, Nick Griffin, revealing that he and some of his party officials believed that a Muslim pedophile gang was operating in the north of England and they were exclusively targeting White girls, some as young as nine. Following the programme's broadcast, Griffin was arrested on the charge of inciting racial hatred, and the establishment went for him all guns blazing, demanding that the maximum tarrif of seven years be applied in the event of a guilty verdict. Thankfully all charges were dropped. The guy was looking down the barrel of seven years in an A-CAT prison (seven years!), just for telling some uncomfortable truths about a bunch of pedophiles that happened to be Pakis.

But we were warned that this sort of thing was happening; the gang-rapes, the fearsome brutality, the organised exploitation of White schoolgirls who had the great misfortune to be sent to a Council ‘Care Home’. We were warned ten years ago! But the problem was that, because the person who first made those warnings was not politically acceptable; was not accepted as being trustworthy, was in fact accused of criminal behaviour for uttering that very warning, his words and his warnings were rejected and ignored.

Who was that man?

His name was Nick Griffin

Source. Mike Cunningham
The same Nick Griffin who also said.
THE HOLOCAUST AND THE JEWISH FAITH

'I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat. . . I have reached the conclusion that the "extermination" tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria.'

Panorama, 2001

'It's well-known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended.'

Mail on Sunday, April 2006

He decreased his one-time MP, Alex Carlisle QC, as 'this bloody Jew . . . whose only claim is that his grandparents died in the Holocaust'.

The Times, April 1999

'We must be aware of the enormous control over every form of mass media the Jews possess and. . . who are the real manipulators of political power.'

The Independent, 2002

'[Jewish academics] originated political correctness. Because they saw it was good for the Jews. Because they saw a West made up of nations, each with its own consciousness as potentially a threat to Jews.'

The Times, 2009

Fundamentally I regard it as quite irrelevant and wrong that at a time when the British people are going to be a minority in our own homeland in 60 years, in other words we're going to be genocided ... at that time along come the liberal media with this big club marked Holocaust and bash me over the head with it.'

Panorama, 2001



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@Mindful do you agree with the above? the reason this member resigned is interesting BNP legal officer quits over conscience The Jewish Chronicle

We know that, ad infinitum. Does that mean he was wrong about his warnings?

You want to mix metaphors, and make this about Nick Griffin?

It's a known fact, self-admitted in some cases, that those in authority at the time, the police, local council, were reluctant to make accusations for fear of being labelled racists. It was easier to call those poor girls sluts, who asked for it.
@Mindful simple question, do you agree with Griffins anti Semitic remarks?

Don't try to bait me with that tired old tactic. It could have been the Pope or Father Christmas who gave that warning for all I care. It just happened to be Nick Griffin in this case.
Why are you so frightened of a simple answer to my question @Mindful? is it because...............
 
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern. The courts should be looking at compensation for the girls coming from the muslim community, after all the detractors of the Catholic priests want the Catholic church to pay compensation. So sell of the mosques and place a tithe on the earnings of the muslims of 10% until the costs are met in full.

You want the truth so long as it does not show the extent of Islamic involvement in the child rapes, and how muslim men as a whole are paedophiles just like the perfect muslim. You know the one that had the laws changed so he could "marry" his brothers 9 year old daughter
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern.
Once again @Phoenall the Yok you lie. These disgusting offences took place over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal Key dates
That is a horrendous average of 86 children sexually abuse per year. I repeat 18,915 children under the age of 16 yrs were sexually abused in 2013. How many were abused by Muslims that year? Statistics on child sexual abuse NSPCC




Try again ISLAMONAZI APOLOGIST as the girls were not raped once during that 16 year time slot but as many as 5 times a day nearly every day by many hundreds of muslim men. So your 86 becomes 3,139 rapes over the year and if they were raped twice a day it becomes 6278 cases, 3 times a day and it is 9,417 cases, 4 times a day which many of the girls said was normal becomes 12,556 cases a year. This does not take into account sex abuse other than rape does it so looks like the majority of cases in 2013 could have been done by your new friends the MUSLIM CHILD RAPISTS.
@Phoenall You are the typical goyim ibecile . What is the title of the thread Yok?
 
1) the men accused of raping 1400 young white girls are muslims acting in accordance with their religious instructions.

Are they?
Please show me the passage in Al Qur'an that allows or encourages sex outside marriage.


Do you mean these

the Prophet of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, "Guard your private parts except from your wife or your slaves."

Allah, Exalted and Glorified be He, says: "And who guard their modesty, save from their wives or the slaves, that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, but Who so craveth beyond that, such are transgressors.” (Al-Mu'minun: 5-7)”

And this which puts the nail in the coffin as the Pakistani muslim men saw these girls as their slaves


The Quran restricts sex to four wives and with one's own slaves 4:3
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess
The above verse says you can marry upto four (free) women but if you cannot treat them with justice (that is give them equal time) than marry only one. Or one can have what your "right hand posses", that means your own slaves. By this verse adultery outside marriage and other than slaves is clearly forbidden. But if one consider slaves as outside marriage, then yes sex outside marriage is allowed, but only with one's slaves.

Afghanistan court sentences seven men to death for gang-rape World news theguardian.com

Seven men sentenced to death for the gang-rape of four women, at court in Kabul.


Freddie----you should learn Islamic law. It is very interesting.
The operative statement is "slaves" or "captives ------the issue is how does
one DEFINE "slave" In Islamic law-----the only non muslim who is NOT A SLAVE-----is one with whom the muslim ruler has
a contract of PROTECTION. All other non muslim chicks are
freebies
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern. The courts should be looking at compensation for the girls coming from the muslim community, after all the detractors of the Catholic priests want the Catholic church to pay compensation. So sell of the mosques and place a tithe on the earnings of the muslims of 10% until the costs are met in full.

You want the truth so long as it does not show the extent of Islamic involvement in the child rapes, and how muslim men as a whole are paedophiles just like the perfect muslim. You know the one that had the laws changed so he could "marry" his brothers 9 year old daughter
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern.
Once again @Phoenall the Yok you lie. These disgusting offences took place over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal Key dates
That is a horrendous average of 86 children sexually abuse per year. I repeat 18,915 children under the age of 16 yrs were sexually abused in 2013. How many were abused by Muslims that year? Statistics on child sexual abuse NSPCC
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4

PS FREELY has again proven himself an idiot-----when was the book of the Talmud "Sanhedrin" written, freely dear? The Talmud is nothing like "the hadiths" ------the hadiths consist of stuff attributed to muhummad------the Talmud is a compendium--
AN ACTUAL COMPENDIUM of something like the "minutes"
of scholarly meetings in which the torah was discussed using
many mechanisms of discussion including allegory. It was written at the time that the discussions took place. The Koran--hadiths and all-----did not get recorded until about 100 years
after muhummad died. Did you really imagine that your
description of "JESUS" was needed by anyone here?





Shows that he is completely clueless on Jewish history and culture and so cant be a secular Jew. My money is on him being a LYING SCOT's CRIMINAL that has came here from another board. One that you know well from the PoI board and Deep Blue. Remember them when they claimed the Pakistani muslims were not organised into child rape gangs and that it was a LIE spread by the BNP to stir up religious and racial hatred for the muslims.......................
Read my post Goy, the link is from the Jewish Chronicle which confirms the "Talmud is like the Islamic Hadiths" there are two ignorant goy here you and @irosie91, to quote the Jewish Chronicle again.
The Talmud and Islam The Jewish Chronicle
Both Islam and Judaism are religions which minutely regulate every aspect of the believer’s life. They’re each based on a God-given written document – the Torah for Judaism and the Qu’ran for Islam. These divine texts are each interpreted and expanded upon by an oral tradition – the Talmud and the Hadith respectively. Both traditions contain legal and ethical material, and the legal material in each distinguishes between religious laws and social laws.
 
Also many white prominent celebrities in jail for historic sex abuse.

\And there goes the point.
One, Jimmy Saville, abused more underage victims than the Rotherham gang managed as a group, and that's before the dead bodies he had sex with, but according the the forum morons, Pakistanis are guilty of most of the sex crime.

That's the big problem with extremists idiots, they have to blame whoever they hate, regardless of the truth.
In fact the reality is simple:
There were gangs of bastards from Pakistani families that went around raping children.
The local authorities covered it up in a stupid attempt to stop racism.
There are also lots of other people involved in this sort of filth, mostly white guys.

If you want to actually do something about the problem of child sexual abuse, you have to look at who commits the crimes and act accordingly.
Of course, the racists don't really care about the kids, they just want to paki bash.

The bit I would find amusing, if it wasn't so disgusting, Britain's far right cretins are on about Pakistani gangs, but ignore their own people.

Richard Price EDL Co-ordinator - Placed on the sex offenders register. - UK Indymedia

A leader of the English Defence League who was described as a “political prisoner” after being jailed for violence at a march had already been placed on the sex offenders register for downloading indecent images of children, The Times can reveal.

The far-right group launched a campaign to free Richard Price, co-ordinator of the West Midlands division of the EDL, after he was jailed last month for violent behaviour. But Price, 41, had been convicted in June 2010 of making four indecent images of children, and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine.

There's a whole string of these racist idiots, that are also child sex offenders, but they're member of a party that moan on about child sex crime, as long as Muslims are the guilty ones.
Their stupidity is astounding.





Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.
 
What in the hell does this thread have to do with the Jewish religion? It's about Pakistani men raping children. Do the Jew haters have to infiltrate every single thread?




Yes they do, and create as many lies as they can in the process.
 
Also many white prominent celebrities in jail for historic sex abuse.

\And there goes the point.
One, Jimmy Saville, abused more underage victims than the Rotherham gang managed as a group, and that's before the dead bodies he had sex with, but according the the forum morons, Pakistanis are guilty of most of the sex crime.

That's the big problem with extremists idiots, they have to blame whoever they hate, regardless of the truth.
In fact the reality is simple:
There were gangs of bastards from Pakistani families that went around raping children.
The local authorities covered it up in a stupid attempt to stop racism.
There are also lots of other people involved in this sort of filth, mostly white guys.

If you want to actually do something about the problem of child sexual abuse, you have to look at who commits the crimes and act accordingly.
Of course, the racists don't really care about the kids, they just want to paki bash.

The bit I would find amusing, if it wasn't so disgusting, Britain's far right cretins are on about Pakistani gangs, but ignore their own people.

Richard Price EDL Co-ordinator - Placed on the sex offenders register. - UK Indymedia

A leader of the English Defence League who was described as a “political prisoner” after being jailed for violence at a march had already been placed on the sex offenders register for downloading indecent images of children, The Times can reveal.

The far-right group launched a campaign to free Richard Price, co-ordinator of the West Midlands division of the EDL, after he was jailed last month for violent behaviour. But Price, 41, had been convicted in June 2010 of making four indecent images of children, and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine.

There's a whole string of these racist idiots, that are also child sex offenders, but they're member of a party that moan on about child sex crime, as long as Muslims are the guilty ones.
Their stupidity is astounding.





Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.
more goyim drivel from the yok Meister
 
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Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.

Downloading child porn requires organised rings of people.
I'm guessing, with all the controls against it, kiddie porn is hard work to find, so he must have known where to look; that means someone told him.
Now consider this - if you use images of children being abused for your sexual pleasure, the kid has to be abused in the first place.
In my mind, that makes the user just as guilty as the direct abuser - no excuses.
There is no culture or religion issue here - it's simple bastard or not bastard.
 
1) the men accused of raping 1400 young white girls are muslims acting in accordance with their religious instructions.

Are they?
Please show me the passage in Al Qur'an that allows or encourages sex outside marriage.


Do you mean these

the Prophet of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, "Guard your private parts except from your wife or your slaves."

Allah, Exalted and Glorified be He, says: "And who guard their modesty, save from their wives or the slaves, that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, but Who so craveth beyond that, such are transgressors.” (Al-Mu'minun: 5-7)”

And this which puts the nail in the coffin as the Pakistani muslim men saw these girls as their slaves


The Quran restricts sex to four wives and with one's own slaves 4:3
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess
The above verse says you can marry upto four (free) women but if you cannot treat them with justice (that is give them equal time) than marry only one. Or one can have what your "right hand posses", that means your own slaves. By this verse adultery outside marriage and other than slaves is clearly forbidden. But if one consider slaves as outside marriage, then yes sex outside marriage is allowed, but only with one's slaves.

Afghanistan court sentences seven men to death for gang-rape World news theguardian.com

Seven men sentenced to death for the gang-rape of four women, at court in Kabul.


Freddie----you should learn Islamic law. It is very interesting.
The operative statement is "slaves" or "captives ------the issue is how does
one DEFINE "slave" In Islamic law-----the only non muslim who is NOT A SLAVE-----is one with whom the muslim ruler has
a contract of PROTECTION. All other non muslim chicks are
freebies
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern. The courts should be looking at compensation for the girls coming from the muslim community, after all the detractors of the Catholic priests want the Catholic church to pay compensation. So sell of the mosques and place a tithe on the earnings of the muslims of 10% until the costs are met in full.

You want the truth so long as it does not show the extent of Islamic involvement in the child rapes, and how muslim men as a whole are paedophiles just like the perfect muslim. You know the one that had the laws changed so he could "marry" his brothers 9 year old daughter
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern.
Once again @Phoenall the Yok you lie. These disgusting offences took place over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal Key dates
That is a horrendous average of 86 children sexually abuse per year. I repeat 18,915 children under the age of 16 yrs were sexually abused in 2013. How many were abused by Muslims that year? Statistics on child sexual abuse NSPCC
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4

PS FREELY has again proven himself an idiot-----when was the book of the Talmud "Sanhedrin" written, freely dear? The Talmud is nothing like "the hadiths" ------the hadiths consist of stuff attributed to muhummad------the Talmud is a compendium--
AN ACTUAL COMPENDIUM of something like the "minutes"
of scholarly meetings in which the torah was discussed using
many mechanisms of discussion including allegory. It was written at the time that the discussions took place. The Koran--hadiths and all-----did not get recorded until about 100 years
after muhummad died. Did you really imagine that your
description of "JESUS" was needed by anyone here?





Shows that he is completely clueless on Jewish history and culture and so cant be a secular Jew. My money is on him being a LYING SCOT's CRIMINAL that has came here from another board. One that you know well from the PoI board and Deep Blue. Remember them when they claimed the Pakistani muslims were not organised into child rape gangs and that it was a LIE spread by the BNP to stir up religious and racial hatred for the muslims.......................
Read my post Goy, the link is from the Jewish Chronicle which confirms the "Talmud is like the Islamic Hadiths" there are two ignorant goy here you and @irosie91, to quote the Jewish Chronicle again.
The Talmud and Islam The Jewish Chronicle
Both Islam and Judaism are religions which minutely regulate every aspect of the believer’s life. They’re each based on a God-given written document – the Torah for Judaism and the Qu’ran for Islam. These divine texts are each interpreted and expanded upon by an oral tradition – the Talmud and the Hadith respectively. Both traditions contain legal and ethical material, and the legal material in each distinguishes between religious laws and social laws.

LOL the "jewish chronicle" suddenly became THE AUTHORITY??? PS---ain't nothing "divine" about the filthy
Koran
 
1) the men accused of raping 1400 young white girls are muslims acting in accordance with their religious instructions.

Are they?
Please show me the passage in Al Qur'an that allows or encourages sex outside marriage.


Do you mean these

the Prophet of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, "Guard your private parts except from your wife or your slaves."

Allah, Exalted and Glorified be He, says: "And who guard their modesty, save from their wives or the slaves, that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, but Who so craveth beyond that, such are transgressors.” (Al-Mu'minun: 5-7)”

And this which puts the nail in the coffin as the Pakistani muslim men saw these girls as their slaves


The Quran restricts sex to four wives and with one's own slaves 4:3
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess
The above verse says you can marry upto four (free) women but if you cannot treat them with justice (that is give them equal time) than marry only one. Or one can have what your "right hand posses", that means your own slaves. By this verse adultery outside marriage and other than slaves is clearly forbidden. But if one consider slaves as outside marriage, then yes sex outside marriage is allowed, but only with one's slaves.

Afghanistan court sentences seven men to death for gang-rape World news theguardian.com

Seven men sentenced to death for the gang-rape of four women, at court in Kabul.


Freddie----you should learn Islamic law. It is very interesting.
The operative statement is "slaves" or "captives ------the issue is how does
one DEFINE "slave" In Islamic law-----the only non muslim who is NOT A SLAVE-----is one with whom the muslim ruler has
a contract of PROTECTION. All other non muslim chicks are
freebies
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern. The courts should be looking at compensation for the girls coming from the muslim community, after all the detractors of the Catholic priests want the Catholic church to pay compensation. So sell of the mosques and place a tithe on the earnings of the muslims of 10% until the costs are met in full.

You want the truth so long as it does not show the extent of Islamic involvement in the child rapes, and how muslim men as a whole are paedophiles just like the perfect muslim. You know the one that had the laws changed so he could "marry" his brothers 9 year old daughter
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern.
Once again @Phoenall the Yok you lie. These disgusting offences took place over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal Key dates
That is a horrendous average of 86 children sexually abuse per year. I repeat 18,915 children under the age of 16 yrs were sexually abused in 2013. How many were abused by Muslims that year? Statistics on child sexual abuse NSPCC
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4

PS FREELY has again proven himself an idiot-----when was the book of the Talmud "Sanhedrin" written, freely dear? The Talmud is nothing like "the hadiths" ------the hadiths consist of stuff attributed to muhummad------the Talmud is a compendium--
AN ACTUAL COMPENDIUM of something like the "minutes"
of scholarly meetings in which the torah was discussed using
many mechanisms of discussion including allegory. It was written at the time that the discussions took place. The Koran--hadiths and all-----did not get recorded until about 100 years
after muhummad died. Did you really imagine that your
description of "JESUS" was needed by anyone here?





Shows that he is completely clueless on Jewish history and culture and so cant be a secular Jew. My money is on him being a LYING SCOT's CRIMINAL that has came here from another board. One that you know well from the PoI board and Deep Blue. Remember them when they claimed the Pakistani muslims were not organised into child rape gangs and that it was a LIE spread by the BNP to stir up religious and racial hatred for the muslims.......................
Read my post Goy, the link is from the Jewish Chronicle which confirms the "Talmud is like the Islamic Hadiths" there are two ignorant goy here you and @irosie91, to quote the Jewish Chronicle again.
The Talmud and Islam The Jewish Chronicle
Both Islam and Judaism are religions which minutely regulate every aspect of the believer’s life. They’re each based on a God-given written document – the Torah for Judaism and the Qu’ran for Islam. These divine texts are each interpreted and expanded upon by an oral tradition – the Talmud and the Hadith respectively. Both traditions contain legal and ethical material, and the legal material in each distinguishes between religious laws and social laws.

LOL the "jewish chronicle" suddenly became THE AUTHORITY??? PS---ain't nothing "divine" about the filthy
Koran
LOL irosie the Proster Chamoole Once again you have exposed yourself as nothing more than a imbecilic racist goy.
 
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Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.

Downloading child porn requires organised rings of people.
I'm guessing, with all the controls against it, kiddie porn is hard work to find, so he must have known where to look; that means someone told him.
Now consider this - if you use images of children being abused for your sexual pleasure, the kid has to be abused in the first place.
In my mind, that makes the user just as guilty as the direct abuser - no excuses.
There is no culture or religion issue here - it's simple bastard or not bastard.




It cant be that hard as the CIA/FBI managed to put them up and catch a lot of left wing politicians in the UK. This led to the UK being forced into war with Iraq. But talking about child porn images what about the two muslim brothers who had child porn on their computer and phones and were let off because they said the images were already on when they bought them. They even received compensation for the stress they suffered. Then we have the exposure of the muslims involvement in child porn sites and how many were running them as a cover for terrorist activities.

CPS rules out Forest Gate child porn charges UK news theguardian.com

A Crown Prosecution Service spokesman said Mohammed Abdul Kahar would face no charges over allegations that 44 indecent images had been found on electronic equipment at his home.

The Times Link between child porn and Muslim terrorists discovered National Review Online

The Times reveals how pedophile websites are being used to pass information between Islamist terrorists in Britain, Italy and Spain. In one case, 40,000 images of children being forced to perform pornographic acts was found, reports The Times.


The deeper you dig the more damning the evidence against islam and the muslims.
 
1) the men accused of raping 1400 young white girls are muslims acting in accordance with their religious instructions.

Are they?
Please show me the passage in Al Qur'an that allows or encourages sex outside marriage.


Do you mean these

the Prophet of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said, "Guard your private parts except from your wife or your slaves."

Allah, Exalted and Glorified be He, says: "And who guard their modesty, save from their wives or the slaves, that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy, but Who so craveth beyond that, such are transgressors.” (Al-Mu'minun: 5-7)”

And this which puts the nail in the coffin as the Pakistani muslim men saw these girls as their slaves


The Quran restricts sex to four wives and with one's own slaves 4:3
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess
The above verse says you can marry upto four (free) women but if you cannot treat them with justice (that is give them equal time) than marry only one. Or one can have what your "right hand posses", that means your own slaves. By this verse adultery outside marriage and other than slaves is clearly forbidden. But if one consider slaves as outside marriage, then yes sex outside marriage is allowed, but only with one's slaves.

Afghanistan court sentences seven men to death for gang-rape World news theguardian.com

Seven men sentenced to death for the gang-rape of four women, at court in Kabul.


Freddie----you should learn Islamic law. It is very interesting.
The operative statement is "slaves" or "captives ------the issue is how does
one DEFINE "slave" In Islamic law-----the only non muslim who is NOT A SLAVE-----is one with whom the muslim ruler has
a contract of PROTECTION. All other non muslim chicks are
freebies
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern. The courts should be looking at compensation for the girls coming from the muslim community, after all the detractors of the Catholic priests want the Catholic church to pay compensation. So sell of the mosques and place a tithe on the earnings of the muslims of 10% until the costs are met in full.

You want the truth so long as it does not show the extent of Islamic involvement in the child rapes, and how muslim men as a whole are paedophiles just like the perfect muslim. You know the one that had the laws changed so he could "marry" his brothers 9 year old daughter
Recently, the American media was practically peeing it's collective pants over decades old child abuse by Catholic priests. They spent weeks pretending to be outraged, just outraged that this should happen, and wondered if the new Pope would do anything about it. They're not so interested in this story.

Shhhh. the thread is about evil Muslims committing all the acts of child abuse.
Please stop interfering with all that hate by mentioning the truth.



The truth that the numbers involved are less when it comes to Catholic priests and white men. How many individual crimes took place in Rotherham alone. In the period 2005 to 20012 1400 young girls were repeatedly raped by up to 250 Pakistani muslim men making this a matter of national concern.
Once again @Phoenall the Yok you lie. These disgusting offences took place over 16 years from 1997 to 2013. BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal Key dates
That is a horrendous average of 86 children sexually abuse per year. I repeat 18,915 children under the age of 16 yrs were sexually abused in 2013. How many were abused by Muslims that year? Statistics on child sexual abuse NSPCC
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4
for the idiots who post here-----the Talmud is not a history book----
it is not even a compendium of legal cases (like "law review") ---
Many of the "cases" cited are allegorical For reasons not clear
to me-----somehow the son of pandera story was thought by some medieval Christian theologians to be a slur on Jesus----but then again -----BALAAM was suppose to be something like
a code word for Jesus. Balaam is a figure in the bible at the
time of Jacob-----he was a gentile. There is lots of discussion
about abuse of children in ancient jewish writings. Most of
it deals with that which was considered the greatest sin of all----
child sacrifice------the "Amalekites" did it which is why
"Amalekite"-----is the worst possible thing to be.
For the idiot that responded, To make it easy for you the talmud is like the Islamic hadiths.
ps this is the yeshua you were rambling about.
Yeshua ben Yosef of Nazareth (of the New Testament)
1. born in Bethlehem and raised in Galilee
2. lived approximately in 4 BCE
3. mother was Mirium (Mary), father was Yosef,
4. studied, practiced and taught Judaism
5. supported the Pharisaic School of Hillel & Shamai - Hasidic movement in Galilee and the Essenes
6. had 12 disciples
7. started the Netzarim (Nazarene) movement
8. had no ties to the government at all
9. executed by the Roman Courts (Rome had imperial rule over Israel, Jewish court had no authority to order or carry out an execution)
10. was executed (scourged - crucified) the day OF preparation for Passover
11. not mentioned in the Talmud except for alluded to writings
thanks delta4

PS FREELY has again proven himself an idiot-----when was the book of the Talmud "Sanhedrin" written, freely dear? The Talmud is nothing like "the hadiths" ------the hadiths consist of stuff attributed to muhummad------the Talmud is a compendium--
AN ACTUAL COMPENDIUM of something like the "minutes"
of scholarly meetings in which the torah was discussed using
many mechanisms of discussion including allegory. It was written at the time that the discussions took place. The Koran--hadiths and all-----did not get recorded until about 100 years
after muhummad died. Did you really imagine that your
description of "JESUS" was needed by anyone here?





Shows that he is completely clueless on Jewish history and culture and so cant be a secular Jew. My money is on him being a LYING SCOT's CRIMINAL that has came here from another board. One that you know well from the PoI board and Deep Blue. Remember them when they claimed the Pakistani muslims were not organised into child rape gangs and that it was a LIE spread by the BNP to stir up religious and racial hatred for the muslims.......................
Read my post Goy, the link is from the Jewish Chronicle which confirms the "Talmud is like the Islamic Hadiths" there are two ignorant goy here you and @irosie91, to quote the Jewish Chronicle again.
The Talmud and Islam The Jewish Chronicle
Both Islam and Judaism are religions which minutely regulate every aspect of the believer’s life. They’re each based on a God-given written document – the Torah for Judaism and the Qu’ran for Islam. These divine texts are each interpreted and expanded upon by an oral tradition – the Talmud and the Hadith respectively. Both traditions contain legal and ethical material, and the legal material in each distinguishes between religious laws and social laws.

LOL the "jewish chronicle" suddenly became THE AUTHORITY??? PS---ain't nothing "divine" about the filthy
Koran
LOL irosie the Proster Chamoole Once again you have exposed yourself as nothing more than a imbecilic racist goy.




How little you know child, how little you know.
 
In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.
 
In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.
 
In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.

A lot of those Muslims are British born and bred. From large Pakistani communities in the North of England. Many of the children did report those awful violations, but no one did anything about it.

There doesn't seem to be these problems amongst the British Indian communities.
 
In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.

A lot of those Muslims are British born and bred. From large Pakistani communities in the North of England. Many of the children did report those awful violations, but no one did anything about it.

There doesn't seem to be these problems amongst the British Indian communities.

Well then, they must be teaching them the ways of the mother country. And this is what also happens when you have a group of immigrants who refuse to integrate. It would be interesting to know if these perpetrators were educated mainstream, or in their own little private community mosques, etc.
 

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