uh,ooh Obama is in trouble again. Speeches are not working

[DiveCon]

Who's lying? Maybe you just need a little help reading--here it is again for you--in case you missed it.

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™


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when you latch your little half-witted self onto the outlier poll ...and you know it's the outlier and no other poll indicates the same thing...then you know you're a liar.

Yeah.....Outliers.

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

Lemmie guess...Fordham is a shadow organization for Richard Mellon Scaife, Rupert Murdoch and Beelzebub himself.

thanks for posting that yet again

 

[jillian]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

 

[oreo]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

--Oh the denial is rampant. Look Obama started his Presidency in the high 70 range--right now he is below 50% approval. It's coming down so fast--it is reminding me of the tech sector crash of 2000/2001.

Today--Obama was actually booed at a town hall meeting.

 

[DiveCon]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

the link WORKS

you need to have the adobe reader installed, its a PDF file
and Rasmussen and Pew tied for being the most accurate

 

[Dr.House]

No, No sir... All corporations are owned by evil, money-hungry conservatives - everyone knows that.... Sure there are outliers, like George Soros and Bill Gates and Ben & Jerry and, well, you see what I mean... Outliers...

0bama is not to be blamed for any of this... Gorge Booooosh and his cronies are the sole cause... It matters not that the current President is expanding the debt and printing extra money... Those things are what is turning this country back on it's head again, yes sir... The value of the dollar is unimportant now... We can always just print some more up if we run out!

Yep, thinks are going great!

So what does that tell you about the US's great Capitalist experiment? Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? Your sarcasm aside, most CEOs would vote repub, and it is always the repubs pushing for deregulation and less govt. And this is what happens when they get free reign. I'm sure Gordon Gecko is a hero to most repubs.

Interestingly - and more worrying - is that a Harvard economics prof who specialises in Wall St was on the giggle box down here two nights ago. He says NOTHING has changed on Wall St, and that the CEOs have basically told Geintner (sp?) etc to go fuck themselves. When the interviewer asked the prof the reasons for the lack of introspection by these CEOs, his one word answer was "greed"....

The US has shown that rampant capitalism is an outright failure...

Yes, socialism seems to be the way to go... It has worked so well whenever and wherever it's tried... Nanny government knows whats best for us...

I can't wait to just name Barry "Supreme Leader" and get my fitting for the gray jumpsuit...

 

[jillian]

No, No sir... All corporations are owned by evil, money-hungry conservatives - everyone knows that.... Sure there are outliers, like George Soros and Bill Gates and Ben & Jerry and, well, you see what I mean... Outliers...

0bama is not to be blamed for any of this... Gorge Booooosh and his cronies are the sole cause... It matters not that the current President is expanding the debt and printing extra money... Those things are what is turning this country back on it's head again, yes sir... The value of the dollar is unimportant now... We can always just print some more up if we run out!

Yep, thinks are going great!

So what does that tell you about the US's great Capitalist experiment? Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? Your sarcasm aside, most CEOs would vote repub, and it is always the repubs pushing for deregulation and less govt. And this is what happens when they get free reign. I'm sure Gordon Gecko is a hero to most repubs.

Interestingly - and more worrying - is that a Harvard economics prof who specialises in Wall St was on the giggle box down here two nights ago. He says NOTHING has changed on Wall St, and that the CEOs have basically told Geintner (sp?) etc to go fuck themselves. When the interviewer asked the prof the reasons for the lack of introspection by these CEOs, his one word answer was "greed"....

The US has shown that rampant capitalism is an outright failure...

Yes, socialism seems to be the way to go... It has worked so well whenever and wherever it's tried... Nanny government knows whats best for us...

I can't wait to just name Barry "Supreme Leader" and get my fitting for the gray jumpsuit...

why not a combination of capitalism with some socialism tossed in to temper it's ill effects. seems like it would be in our best interests since being a banana republic where there's only very rich and very poor isn't beneficial to us.

 

[Dr.House]

So what does that tell you about the US's great Capitalist experiment? Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? Your sarcasm aside, most CEOs would vote repub, and it is always the repubs pushing for deregulation and less govt. And this is what happens when they get free reign. I'm sure Gordon Gecko is a hero to most repubs.

Interestingly - and more worrying - is that a Harvard economics prof who specialises in Wall St was on the giggle box down here two nights ago. He says NOTHING has changed on Wall St, and that the CEOs have basically told Geintner (sp?) etc to go fuck themselves. When the interviewer asked the prof the reasons for the lack of introspection by these CEOs, his one word answer was "greed"....

The US has shown that rampant capitalism is an outright failure...

Yes, socialism seems to be the way to go... It has worked so well whenever and wherever it's tried... Nanny government knows whats best for us...

I can't wait to just name Barry "Supreme Leader" and get my fitting for the gray jumpsuit...

why not a combination of capitalism with some socialism tossed in to temper it's ill effects. seems like it would be in our best interests since being a banana republic where there's only very rich and very poor isn't beneficial to us.

How about we just try out the Constitution and see how it goes? The Founding Fathers put a lot of time and effort into it... Even gave us a way to alter it via the Amendment process...

It would be nice to give it a chance for once...

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes, socialism seems to be the way to go... It has worked so well whenever and wherever it's tried... Nanny government knows whats best for us...

I can't wait to just name Barry "Supreme Leader" and get my fitting for the gray jumpsuit...

HOw about a mixture of both? The rub is: How much of one, and how much of the other. Both economic systems, on there own, are proven failures - socialism via the former USSR and satellites, capitalism via the USA....

I think Europe, Can, Oz and NZ have it right (IMO)

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm sure that means a lot to all the recently unemployed...

No job, but hey the stock market is up so all the supposedly evil, greedy, rich corporations are getting richer... Cool, huh?

Yeah, it's all Obama's fault those rich bastards and Lehman Bros and AIG yadda, yadda, yadda, almost made your country bankrupt. After all, everybody knows that those CEOs making $10 million salaries plus that again in bonuses are diehard Dems.....

DITTO--
Who enabled them to do that? The government did--when they deregulated the industry back in the 1990's.

To add--it was our new treasury secretary Timothy Geithner--that told Criss Dodd to stick in the 787 BILLION dollar stimulus bill 64 MILLION to AIG for executive bonuses--plus another 200+ MILLION for Fannie/Freddie bonuses--that glory be--WE GET TO PAY FOR--& after they bankrupted this country. Democrats made this mess with their handling of Fannie/Freddie--who decided to co-sign our names to 50% of the mortgages in this country while at the same time lowering lending requirements.

Let's not be swating Wall Street--it's our government who is soley to blame for this current economic collapse.

------>WHOOSH------> Where would anyone even start explaining it to you, when we'd have to go back to Square One and explain all the reasons why you are so dead wrong. The scariest part is that there's probably others just like you who never got what happened and why, and probably never will.

 

[MaggieMae]

BO will be on 5 shows sunday, and letterman again on monday.

A guy with tons of support would not being doing it.

Barry and his plan are doing a mighty fine Titanic impersonation.

Of course he doesn't have the support he wants. That's a given. And the reason is the Republican leadership never intended to participate, and thus have allowed the noise machines to take control of the debate. It's what Republicans do best. If only they were capable of redirecting all that energy into properly running a country.

 

[MaggieMae]

I'm sure that means a lot to all the recently unemployed...

No job, but hey the stock market is up so all the supposedly evil, greedy, rich corporations are getting richer... Cool, huh?

Yeah, it's all Obama's fault those rich bastards and Lehman Bros and AIG yadda, yadda, yadda, almost made your country bankrupt. After all, everybody knows that those CEOs making $10 million salaries plus that again in bonuses are diehard Dems.....

No, No sir... All corporations are owned by evil, money-hungry conservatives - everyone knows that.... Sure there are outliers, like George Soros and Bill Gates and Ben & Jerry and, well, you see what I mean... Outliers...

0bama is not to be blamed for any of this... Gorge Booooosh and his cronies are the sole cause... It matters not that the current President is expanding the debt and printing extra money... Those things are what is turning this country back on it's head again, yes sir... The value of the dollar is unimportant now... We can always just print some more up if we run out!

Yep, thinks are going great!

I agree that you can't blame Bush "and his cronies," but you likewise can't blame the entire mess on Democrats, which too many people attempt to do. The main root of the problem actually was the fault of the SEC who wasn't minding the store.

 

[MaggieMae]

Capitalism works--GOVERNMENT doesn't.Our government regulates industry in this country including wall street. It is up to the shareholders/owners of each company to manage bonuses of their executives. Not government.

still have not addressed the issue of Timothy Geithner stuffing into the 787 BILLION dollar economic stimulus bill 64 MILLION in AIG bonuse's & 200+ MILLION in bonuses for Freddie/Fannie--all at taxpayer expense. This was all done "under the table" & the only news media that exposed it was Fox News. Criss Dodd came up with 3 different stories before he finally admitted that Geithner told him to stuff those in there. Of course no one in the senate or congress read this bill before signing off on it. "This is how your government works." Get used to it.

Those bonuses were signed, sealed and delivered and part of those CEOs contracts. I doubt Giethner was doing cartwheels when he handed them out. They were not UNDER the table, they were on the table. The press just had to go looking for it. Geithner never denied nor hid it - neither did he shout it from the rooftops...Nobody was happy about the bonuses, but the package had to go through. You think the US is doing it tough now, that ain't nothing Bub compared to what it could be like if the package wasn't passed...

Govt has very little regulation over your financial institutions compared ot the rest of the world, and they still didn't get it right. Pure capitalism gets a big freaking F

What's interesting to note, again, is that AIG is the umbrella investment company for a good percentage of all those private insurers that all the anti-health insurance reform people so loudly covet. Those insurers would have gone belly-up without the bailout, and where would that leave all those folks who contend that they can't abide by anything but their own precious private health insurance?

 

[MaggieMae]

And here is where this current economic collapse started: Read it! Pay special attention to the warning in the 4th or 5th paragraph of this article.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - The New York Times

Of course you dismiss the Bush Administration's expansion of that 1999 program.


"This Administration will constantly strive to promote an ownership society in America. We want more people owning their own home. It is in our national interest that more people own their own home. After all, if you own your own home, you have a vital stake in the future of our country."

- President George W. Bush, December 16, 2003

Increasing Homeownership

The US homeownership rate reached a record 69.2 percent in the second quarter of 2004. The number of homeowners in the United States reached 73.4 million, the most ever. And for the first time, the majority of minority Americans own their own homes.

The President set a goal to increase the number of minority homeowners by 5.5 million families by the end of the decade. Through his homeownership challenge, the President called on the private sector to help in this effort. More than two dozen companies and organizations have made commitments to increase minority homeownership - including pledges to provide more than $1.1 trillion in mortgage purchases for minority homebuyers this decade.

President Bush signed the $200 million-per-year American Dream Downpayment Act which will help approximately 40,000 families each year with their downpayment and closing costs. The Administration proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative to allow the Federal Housing Administration to insure mortgages for first-time homebuyers without a downpayment. Projections indicate this could generate over 150,000 new homeowners in the first year alone.

President Bush proposed a new Single Family Affordable Housing Tax Credit to increase the supply of affordable homes.

The President has proposed to more than double funding for the Self-Help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), where government and non-profit organizations work closely together to increase homeownership opportunities.

The President proposed $2.7 billion in USDA home loan guarantees to support rural homeownership and $1.1 billion in direct loans for low-income borrowers unable to secure a mortgage through a conventional lender. These loans are expected to provide 42,800 homeownership opportunities to rural families across America.



In the meantime, while Fannie and Freddie were a small part of the problem, the mortgage failure actually happened as F&F were reducing their holdings of subprime mortgages by a factor of 2, from 48% to 24% between 2004 and 2006. In fact, in 2005 and 2006, private investment banks stopped using Fannie and Freddie for two thirds of all the mortgages they initiated, preferring instead to package them into questionable mortgage-backed securities.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

•More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

•Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

•Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics.

 

[MaggieMae]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

...Rasmussen doesn’t also have a daily newspaper or a television network to tout his results. His business, however, requires attention. So how does he get that attention? Well in part he gets it with issue polling that, while basically methodologically sound, has question-wording that’s designed to lead to conservative-friendly results.

Then the results come out and conservatives tout the results as vindicating their position. It’s free PR for Rasmussen, it’s a morale booster and message-driver for the right. And because the basic horserace polling is accurate enough, these kind of shenanigans don’t get Rasmussen dismissed as a surveyor.

Matthew Yglesias » Scott Rasmussen’s Conservative-Friendly Question-Wording

Example of the misleading question-wording in the above is:

“Some people say that having the government subsidize mortgage payments for financially troubled homeowners puts the government in the position of rewarding bad behavior. Is the government rewarding bad behavior when it provides subsidies to those who are most at risk of losing their homes?”

 

[MaggieMae]

So what does that tell you about the US's great Capitalist experiment? Not exactly a ringing endorsement is it? Your sarcasm aside, most CEOs would vote repub, and it is always the repubs pushing for deregulation and less govt. And this is what happens when they get free reign. I'm sure Gordon Gecko is a hero to most repubs.

Interestingly - and more worrying - is that a Harvard economics prof who specialises in Wall St was on the giggle box down here two nights ago. He says NOTHING has changed on Wall St, and that the CEOs have basically told Geintner (sp?) etc to go fuck themselves. When the interviewer asked the prof the reasons for the lack of introspection by these CEOs, his one word answer was "greed"....

The US has shown that rampant capitalism is an outright failure...

Yes, socialism seems to be the way to go... It has worked so well whenever and wherever it's tried... Nanny government knows whats best for us...

I can't wait to just name Barry "Supreme Leader" and get my fitting for the gray jumpsuit...

why not a combination of capitalism with some socialism tossed in to temper it's ill effects. seems like it would be in our best interests since being a banana republic where there's only very rich and very poor isn't beneficial to us.

A combination is, of course, what we have now and always will have. The term "Socialist" is bandied about with no real thought as to what it really is. Here's a guy who can tell you:

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know.
By Billy Wharton
Sunday, March 15, 2009

It took a massive global financial crisis, a failed military adventure and a popular repudiation of the Republican Party to make my national television debut possible. After 15 years of socialist political organizing -- everything from licking envelopes and handing out leaflets to the more romantic task of speaking at street demonstrations -- I found myself in the midtown Manhattan studio of the Fox Business Network on a cold February evening. Who ever thought that being the editor of the Socialist magazine, circulation 3,000, would launch me on a cable news career?

He specifically explains why, detailing the issues that have launched the accusations.

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com

 

[DiveCon]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

...Rasmussen doesn’t also have a daily newspaper or a television network to tout his results. His business, however, requires attention. So how does he get that attention? Well in part he gets it with issue polling that, while basically methodologically sound, has question-wording that’s designed to lead to conservative-friendly results.

Then the results come out and conservatives tout the results as vindicating their position. It’s free PR for Rasmussen, it’s a morale booster and message-driver for the right. And because the basic horserace polling is accurate enough, these kind of shenanigans don’t get Rasmussen dismissed as a surveyor.

Matthew Yglesias » Scott Rasmussen’s Conservative-Friendly Question-Wording

Example of the misleading question-wording in the above is:

“Some people say that having the government subsidize mortgage payments for financially troubled homeowners puts the government in the position of rewarding bad behavior. Is the government rewarding bad behavior when it provides subsidies to those who are most at risk of losing their homes?”

how the fuck are the questions leading?

 

[MaggieMae]

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

...Rasmussen doesn’t also have a daily newspaper or a television network to tout his results. His business, however, requires attention. So how does he get that attention? Well in part he gets it with issue polling that, while basically methodologically sound, has question-wording that’s designed to lead to conservative-friendly results.

Then the results come out and conservatives tout the results as vindicating their position. It’s free PR for Rasmussen, it’s a morale booster and message-driver for the right. And because the basic horserace polling is accurate enough, these kind of shenanigans don’t get Rasmussen dismissed as a surveyor.

Matthew Yglesias » Scott Rasmussen’s Conservative-Friendly Question-Wording

Example of the misleading question-wording in the above is:

“Some people say that having the government subsidize mortgage payments for financially troubled homeowners puts the government in the position of rewarding bad behavior. Is the government rewarding bad behavior when it provides subsidies to those who are most at risk of losing their homes?”

how the fuck are the questions leading?

Because, minus details as to WHY government provided subsidies, the question is skewed to imply that it's a taxpayer ripoff. Of course people are going to respond affirmatively. It's a Lou Dobbs type of "survey" question he asks at the start of his program, presented in such a way as to generate the responses he wants because it fits his own storyline.

If the question were simply "Should the government provide subsidies to those who are most at risk for losing their homes because of misleading mortgage terms," the answers would have been different.

 

[Maple]

thanks for posting that yet again

his link is shot..... get nothing.

but if you mean this one:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports™

yeah...it's important to remember that he's picking the lowest poll instead of the average.

but then again, if we listened to him, we'd have actually believed that McCain was going to win...since he spammed the board with the same type of stuff then. *shrug*

The average isn't that good either Jillian all polls show that he is losing favor and the longer people are unemployed and the more unemployment rises the lower his polls will go. Both health care plans, the public option and the coop from the senate are dead on arrival. He is going to attempt to sell these plans this weekend on the talk shows, the more he talks about them the lower his polls will go.

If he really wants to fix health care, get all the experts, physicians, administrators, insurance execs, economists, CPA's lock them in a room for 6 months and let the professionals handle this. The bungling of these latest rounds of healthcare reform make congress look like the idiots they are. They are like arm chair quarterbacks and nothing more.

They are arm chair congressional know -nothings attenpting to write legislation on something they know absolutely nothing about. President Obama is not Dr. Obama and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can get something constructive done. Until that time, it's over for this debate.

 

[Vast LWC]

So when you guys are proven wrong on one thread, like this one, for instance:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/81668-daily-presidential-tracking-poll-29.html

You just start or resurrect another one, so you can restate your point without all that pesky contradictory evidence?

 

[Vast LWC]

Here you go:

Daily update on RCP Average:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

RCP Average: Approve: 53.2 / Dissapprove: 41.8 / Spread: +11.4