Discussion in 'General Global Topics' started by toomuchtime_, Mar 17, 2010.
U.S. urges ally Turkey to join Iran sanctions push | Reuters
Maybe they should have thought of this before trying to pass a resolution condemning Turkey for Genocide.
The resolution is not so much about what the Turks did during WWI, but what it says about today's Turkey that the government and the people still believe it is acceptable to take 1.5 million civilians on death marches into the Syrian desert and then execute the survivors.
In any case, it is a mistake to think Turkey's reluctance to support the US sanctions has anything to do with the resolution. Weeks ago, Erdogan stated that he would not support sanctions against Iran for attempting to acquire nuclear weapons as long as Israel had them.
Turkey is signatory to NPT and nuclear-free Middle-East is one of our core interests. Including disarmament of Israel.
In the mid-term - independent from Iran issue - either Middle-East becomes nuclear-free zone or there will be several other nuclear powers.
Including Turkey if we decide that NATO's nuclear umbrella does not fit our security needs anymore.
Can't be that any shithole countries around nullify Turkey's conventional power.
Bottom line: even if no country passed resolutions calling Turkey's slaughter of 1.5 Armenian civilians genocide, Turkey would still stand staunchly against sanctions aimed at preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
You have a logic mistake. You seem to hold valid your intelligence.
Our intelligence says Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, but civilian use of nuclear power.
Our intelligence also said Iraq did not have serious "WMD"'s to pose a real threat.
'Only rumours' that Iran making nuclear weapons: Turkish PM
'Only rumours' that Iran making nuclear weapons: Turkish PM - Yahoo! News
Erdogan said it was not right to manipulate the issue as if "Iran desired to possess nuclear weapons".
Turkey's PM dismisses nuclear claims on Iran as rumour [ WORLD BULLETIN- TURKEY NEWS, WORLD NEWS ]
Based on false intel and manipulated rumours (fixing+faking) we shall sanction a neighbour?
No Mr. Armenian-Genocide Congress.
Iranian access to Turkish banking sector, money exchange, gasoline exports all will go on.
The question is, will Turkey continue to be regarded as an ally by the US and European countries? Will Turkey be permitted to buy the F-35 and other advanced weapons systems? Will Turkey's license to manufacture F-16's be modified? Will Turkey's application for international loans and loan guarantees be scrutinized more carefully? Will Turkey's bid to enter the EU go forward? Will Turkey's membership in NATO be questioned because of its increasingly close alliance with Iran? How will the world regard Erdogan's present program to purge secularists from the military and judiciary and replace them with Islamists?
In recent years, Turkey's choices have been based mostly on ideology rather than practical considerations. Turkey's refusal to allow the 4th infantry division to cross into nothern Iraq forced the US to rely on the Pesh Merga, the Kurdish militia, greatly strengthening Kurdish demands for autonomy and their ability to defend it and weakening the Iraqi central government, thus giving encouragement to Kurdish nationalists who would also liberate Turkish Kurdistan. Had northern Iraq been occupied by the 4th infantry division rather than by Kurdish forces, Turkey's national interests would have been better protected, but Turkey has consistently refused to stand with western (Christian) powers against any Muslim group or nation, even Saddam Hussein, even when it is in Turkey's best interests to do so.
In Afghanistan, Turkey refuses to fight against the Taliban, arguing that it would be unpopular for Turkish forces to kill other Muslims, but much of Turkey's history over the last several centuries is written in the blood of Kurdish and Arab Muslims, so that argument makes no sense. The truth is that once again Turkey refuses to take sides with western powers (Christians) against any Muslims, the Taliban, regardless of the circumstances.
Given these facts, is there any reason why the US and European nations should regard Turkey as an ally rather than as a potential adversary?
It is not USA that defines how Turkey interacts with countries like UK, Germany, Spain, Italy. All of them have their own interests with Turkey.
EU-JAPAN trade volume
= 91 Billion
EU-INDIA trade volume
= 52 Billion
EU-TURKEY trade volume
= 79 Billion
We do only purchase weapons from USA which we
a) can not produce
b) other options with technological transfer are still inferior
In Army or Navy we do not procure anything from USA.
We produce indigenious or buy from others with technology transfer.
Turkey Increasingly Shuns U.S. Weapons
Armed Services and Government News - Document Display
If relations break, we dont give a f* about licences. Chinese-style.
We will call it F-16-T (Turk).
Pump some 2-3 Billion $ in Aeronautical Faculity of universities to develop an indigenious AESA-Radar for F-16-T.
The rest is no big business, its only the AESA-Radars.
You owe us 28 Billion $. Give me my tax-money back!
84% of GDP
Economy of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
37.1% of GDP (2008 est.)
Economy of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Our state bonds sell independently from the quality of our relations.
Whether we join EU or not does not change the fact, that we are a power-factor on EU's South-Eastern flank and none of the EU countries make any move against our interests in the Eastern Mediteranean.
Eastern Mediteranean is a couch, Turkey with her fat ass sits on it.
Russia + Turkey
If Turkey leaves NATO this will have major geo-politic implications.
Turkey then becomes a truly free-agent without any restrictions in its geo-security approach to its outer world.
Maybe we then join SCO and expand Chinese-Russian influence as a catalysator.
Maybe we upgrade ECO or D-8 into a true Alliance.
Economic Cooperation Organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Developing 8 Countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Whatever, the outcome will not be good for Washington in geo-politics.
It also leaves behind a NATO as a pure Christian force. Will be nice propaganda for the Jihadists.
That's no business of the outer-world.
It is a business for a foreign nation only if Turkey is defeated on battlefield.
Otherwise its just talk the talk.
Turkey is a nation-state, her independence coming from the noble blood of Turks' grandfathers.
What Turks do within country is Turks' business.
We can not stop foreigners from "talk the talk", but "walk the walk"-Highway is reserved for Turks.
quoting STRATFOR on this:
Turkey and Russia on the Rise | STRATFOR
Turkey and Russia are the only economical gravity centers in West-Asia.
The others are in the East:
- Thailand (contained by China)
- South-Korea (contained by China)
By projections Turkey will be 10th biggest economical power by 2023 (100th Anniversary of Republic) with a foreign trade of 1,1 Trillion $
Ticaret Mü?avirli?i | Commercial Counsellor
Turkey is experiencing her own "Wirtschaftswunder" like West-Germany did in 50's and 60's.
Wirtschaftswunder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Get used to the Turkish menace-mentality.
Turkish Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By 2015 we will be in a position to grant security-guarantees to nations like Lebanon, Jordan or Syria. Equipping them with indigenious solutions ranging from Cruise Missiles over MBT's to Battleships to satellites.
If they play nice we will also grant them access to space Astronauts boosting their local grandfeelings.
Project code 01-01: Development of launch roket (145 Million $)
Project code 01-02: Development of space shuttle for manned launches (1 Billion $)
Project code 01-03: Satellite capabilities (400 Million $)
Project code 01-04: Space center (1,1 Billion $)
2010: Begin of Astronaut Education and low-cost launch rocket experiments.
2011: solar system and planetary observation, magnetic field research
2013: scanning comets
2014: space-shuttle launch
Eomag!: Turkey and Ukraine sign treaty for space cooperation
2011: launch of Göktürk 1 + 2 spy satellites. (military)
2012: launch of 1st Synthetic Aperture Radar Block-1 (military), and Turksat 4A commercial
2014: launch of Türksat 5A (military communication)
2016: launch of Göktürk 3 (military)
2016: launch of Ikaz/Ihbar satellite, infrared ballistic missile launch warn-system (military)
2017: launch of Synthetic Aperture radar Block-2 (military)
Western Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I]YouTube - George Friedman Predicts Ottoman Rise[/ame]
Free Article for Non-Members | STRATFOR
Turkey as regional hegemon2014: strategic implications for the United States - Turkish Studies
Welcome in Turkey's brave new world in Middle Eurasia.
As an geographical outsider, You have to make a choice and dont let your representatives from Armenian-American districts of USA bark in Congress. Once and for all.
Otherwise it is the end of the relationship in its current quality.
You make my point for me: clearly there is no reason for the US or European countries to regard Turkey as an ally and, as you point out, because of Turkey's increasingly close alliances with anti US Iran and Syria, and by association with the terrorist groups they support, Hamas and Hezbollah, growing reasons to regard Turkey as a potential adversary.
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