U.S. to Reinstate Some Sacked Iraq Officials

[NewGuy]

http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=6630

More in the article than what is here:

Thu Apr 22, 2004 03:18 PM ET

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. authorities announced on Thursday that some senior Iraqi officials purged after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein would be restored to duties in an overhaul of what had been a keystone policy of the occupation.

The review could allow some former members of Saddam's Baath Party to join an interim Iraqi government being put together by the United Nations, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Around 400,000 people were thrown out of work last May when U.S. administrator Paul Bremer dissolved the armed forces, security services and defense and information ministries. An appeals system was set up to allow them to reclaim jobs.

But there has been widespread criticism that the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, most of whose members went into exile during the Saddam years, had gone too far in excluding skilled former senior Baath members.

"The appeals process sometimes has been slower im implementation than was originally designed," U.S. spokesman Dan Senor told a Baghdad news conference. Thousands of Iraqis had complained to Bremer about it.

"We want (the policy) to be implemented in the way it was designed," he said.

Those who were Baath Party members in name only would be welcomed, spokesmen said, but those tainted by their role in Saddam's "brutal" regime before it was toppled a year ago would remain excluded.

 

[nycflasher]

From what I understand, alot of the records were destroyed making it hard to tell who was who in the Baath Party. But it would be nice to see some of these guys get there jobs back, I suppose. The more control Iraqis are given over their own destiny, the more support the US will get. That other article you posted about the power of al Sadr(sp?) is extremely disheartening, though. He and his followers do not seem to be intimidated in the slightest by our military might.

Which has to lead one to think, what do we need to accomplish to stop these crazy son's of bitches from blowing up both Iraqis and foreigners?

In order to turn over the government to the Iraqis on June 30th, there has to be a certain degree of civil order over there. And we are far from it I fear.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by nycflasher
From what I understand, alot of the records were destroyed making it hard to tell who was who in the Baath Party. But it would be nice to see some of these guys get there jobs back, I suppose. The more control Iraqis are given over their own destiny, the more support the US will get. That other article you posted about the power of al Sadr(sp?) is extremely disheartening, though. He and his followers do not seem to be intimidated in the slightest by our military might.

Which has to lead one to think, what do we need to accomplish to stop these crazy son's of bitches from blowing up both Iraqis and foreigners?

In order to turn over the government to the Iraqis on June 30th, there has to be a certain degree of civil order over there. And we are far from it I fear.

The two undeniable facts I have been stating will come to the forefront in June.

1. This is a religious war from THEIR perspective

2. This is something the EU is going to take over BECAUSE they side with islam as their foreign policy dictates, and they hate the US as their documents claim to aim to counter and surpass our dominance across the board.

Given these 2, you will see the EU chew us up completely and this will be the big bite that starts the process.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
The two undeniable facts I have been stating will come to the forefront in June.

1. This is a religious war from THEIR perspective

2. This is something the EU is going to take over BECAUSE they side with islam as their foreign policy dictates, and they hate the US as their documents claim to aim to counter and surpass our dominance across the board.

Given these 2, you will see the EU chew us up completely and this will be the big bite that starts the process.

1. No shit, tell me something I don't know :

2. Don't know what you are talking about. That doen't make any sense. IMO

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
The two undeniable facts I have been stating will come to the forefront in June.

1. This is a religious war from THEIR perspective

2. This is something the EU is going to take over BECAUSE they side with islam as their foreign policy dictates, and they hate the US as their documents claim to aim to counter and surpass our dominance across the board.

Given these 2, you will see the EU chew us up completely and this will be the big bite that starts the process.

1. Yes, for sure.
2. I don't with agree with that at all. They may indeed be looking out for their own interest, but just because they do not support the war in iraq, does not mean they are anti-american. In fact many EU countries including France and Germany are in Afghanistan.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
2. This is something the EU is going to take over BECAUSE they side with islam as their foreign policy dictates, and they hate the US as their documents claim to aim to counter and surpass our dominance across the board.

You of all people should know not to claim something as undeniable fact without a shred of evidence.

Europe hates the US... that's just dumb.
Tony Blair for example, PM of an EU country, has his nose so far up Bushes ass it's amazing Blair can breath.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by nycflasher
You of all people should know not to claim something as undeniable fact without a shred of evidence.

Europe hates the US... that's just dumb.
Tony Blair for example, PM of an EU country, has his nose so far up Bushes ass it's amazing Blair can breath.

I Just GAVE you the evidence. Their own documentation. Do you need the EU website?

And BTW....Blair is handing power over to the EU. That, I guess has been missed in your info gathering.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by NewGuy
I Just GAVE you the evidence. Their own documentation. Do you need the EU website?

And BTW....Blair is handing power over to the EU. That, I guess has been missed in your info gathering.

I Just GAVE you the evidence.--no you did not.
Do you need the EU website?-- I can figure it out, and yes, I'll take a look.
And BTW....Blair is handing power over to the EU.--didn't know that, still doesn't effect what I said, however. But it is interesting, and worth my reading up on.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
I Just GAVE you the evidence. Their own documentation. Do you need the EU website?

And BTW....Blair is handing power over to the EU. That, I guess has been missed in your info gathering.

I don't see how this equates to the EU unequivicably hating the US. That's a strong, blanket assertment that I don't think can hold its own weight. The EU supports the US on somethings and doesn't on others. Does that mean they're all anti-american? While in the last 4 years, there certainly has been a trend towards anti-americansim due to the shift in US foreign policy, Europe is not the enemy of the United States.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
I don't see how this equates to the EU unequivicably hating the US. That's a strong, blanket assertment that I don't think can hold its own weight. The EU supports the US on somethings and doesn't on others. Does that mean they're all anti-american? While in the last 4 years, there certainly has been a trend towards anti-americansim due to the shift in US foreign policy, Europe is not the enemy of the United States.

That last statement is uninformed.

When you have the EU documentation claiming they want military equal to or surpassing the US, that makes them suspect.

When they want a currency surpassing the US, that makes them suspect.

When they want a system of politics that allign all other nations of the world with them, that makes them suspect.

And then they flex by threatening sanctions in steel and other industries AGAINST the US.

Who is the big boy?

Have you read their documentation? Have you watched their development over the last 2 years?

Have you looked at who is in the UN and which body they are from? How do they side with the US? -Or do they generally disagree?

Re-examine the data. There is no 1 document you can drag up with a nice 3 minute press statement. There ARE however, infinite press releases and EU documentation stating developments and intent.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
That last statement is uninformed.

When you have the EU documentation claiming they want military equal to or surpassing the US, that makes them suspect.

When they want a currency surpassing the US, that makes them suspect.

When they want a system of politics that allign all other nations of the world with them, that makes them suspect.

And then they flex by threatening sanctions in steel and other industries AGAINST the US.

Who is the big boy?

Have you read their documentation? Have you watched their development over the last 2 years?

Have you looked at who is in the UN and which body they are from? How do they side with the US? -Or do they generally disagree?

Re-examine the data. There is no 1 document you can drag up with a nice 3 minute press statement. There ARE however, infinite press releases and EU documentation stating developments and intent.

So the EU wants to compete with the US. What's wrong with that? I believe that was the entire idea behind the formation of the European Union. Competition and anti-americanism are two very different things. Competition for power, values and varying lifestyles are some of the reasons why countries are seperate entities.

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I simply cannot take your interpretation of European behaviour as being completely subversive to US.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock

Until I see evidence to the contrary, I simply cannot take your interpretation of European behaviour as being completely subversive to US.

You can't see it unless you look.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
You can't see it unless you look.

I cannot see your point, unless you point me towards your sources.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
I cannot see your point, unless you point me towards your sources.

And how many times do I have to do that?

So far you are telling me I have to do it twice.

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by NewGuy
And how many times do I have to do that?

So far you are telling me I have to do it twice.

Very well, tell me what thread you posted in, because it could not have been this one.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Isaac Brock
Very well, tell me what thread you posted in, because it could not have been this one.

Like talking to a wall, isn't it?
:

 

[Isaac Brock]

Originally posted by nycflasher
Like talking to a wall, isn't it?
:

He's fine. We just haven't debated much yet so I'm not sure if we're both clear where each other are coming from.