U.S. General Accounting Office sounds alarm on America’s insolvency

[Sun Devil 92]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

[Crickets]

 

[danielpalos]

We have a civic, moral, Constitution.

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

yes, it does. This is our civic, moral obligation to our Republic:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

How is that, in any way, considered a moral obligation.

Those qualifications could be met in ways that could be considered very immoral (and in fact, some of them have been from time to time (or do you consider the Civil War to be in the formation of a more perfect union ?).

That is what we are Supposed to be doing with our Government, as a civic, moral obligation.

It's great you keep alluding to this concept even though there is no way to sustain the argument you are making.

Unless you want to clear up what you mean by "moral obligation".

If you mean everyone should want to as a matter of morality....no damage to liberty.

If you are suggesting the government legislate this so-called "morality", then you are completely off base.

And a one line response just shows that you are doing nothing but parroting some moron like Paul Krugman.

Show us that you can think for yourself.

Our Constitution was Ordained and Established as a moral obligation.

 

[danielpalos]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

did you not read the preamble to our federal Constitution?

There were nothing about orders there.

Look if you want to persist in trying to sell a fairy tale for an argument, go find a kiddies forum.

The preamble tells what the constitution was formed to do. The actual document tells us what it is doing.

And nowhere is there any mention of morality or a moral obligation. In fact, it is quite clear that those who framed this up were more interested in liberty than in yoking people to a strong central government that runs off of some kind of "moral" imperative.

They just got done booting people who did that.....out.

We have our standing Orders as citizens of our Republic.

You merely have lousy reading comprehension.

 

[danielpalos]

I am sure that those bankers who were too big to fail will CHEER your undying support. Congrats !!!

Our legal system is what sets us apart in many ways.

To suggest a "moral" obligation when it comes to taxes means that you are suggesting a "morality" that the government enforces.

Are you sure you want to do that ?

We have a civic, moral, Constitution.

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

the moral implication is obvious;

our Constitution was Ordained and Established by our Founding Fathers.

 

[danielpalos]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

did you not read the preamble to our federal Constitution?

Yes, I read it.

The difference between you and I is that I understand it.

no. you are on the right wing. you only claim to understand it.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a civic, moral, Constitution.

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

Don't have time to write the volumes needed. Why don't you just list what doesn't involve morality? That's a much shorter list, since it will have zero entries. Most of the 'stupid' people tend to be like yourself, unable to accept morals and principles as important. I didn't say a thing about the Preamble, so you're already dissembling.

Mixed you up with a different moron in this thread.

The power to collect taxes has no basis in morality.

Next question.

yes, it does; it involves, faith, in the execution of the law.

 

[danielpalos]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

[Crickets]

Our Order is in our preamble to our supreme law of the land.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

yes, it does. This is our civic, moral obligation to our Republic:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

How is that, in any way, considered a moral obligation.

Those qualifications could be met in ways that could be considered very immoral (and in fact, some of them have been from time to time (or do you consider the Civil War to be in the formation of a more perfect union ?).

That is what we are Supposed to be doing with our Government, as a civic, moral obligation.

It's great you keep alluding to this concept even though there is no way to sustain the argument you are making.

Unless you want to clear up what you mean by "moral obligation".

If you mean everyone should want to as a matter of morality....no damage to liberty.

If you are suggesting the government legislate this so-called "morality", then you are completely off base.

And a one line response just shows that you are doing nothing but parroting some moron like Paul Krugman.

Show us that you can think for yourself.

Our Constitution was Ordained and Established as a moral obligation.

Yes, we know you have that tattooed on your ass.

That you can't defend it with any wit is also well known.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

did you not read the preamble to our federal Constitution?

There were nothing about orders there.

Look if you want to persist in trying to sell a fairy tale for an argument, go find a kiddies forum.

The preamble tells what the constitution was formed to do. The actual document tells us what it is doing.

And nowhere is there any mention of morality or a moral obligation. In fact, it is quite clear that those who framed this up were more interested in liberty than in yoking people to a strong central government that runs off of some kind of "moral" imperative.

They just got done booting people who did that.....out.

We have our standing Orders as citizens of our Republic.

You merely have lousy reading comprehension.

That's got to be one of the most laughable arguments so far this year.

We have......

I can't show you where there are any "orders".......but we have ........

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Our legal system is what sets us apart in many ways.

To suggest a "moral" obligation when it comes to taxes means that you are suggesting a "morality" that the government enforces.

Are you sure you want to do that ?

We have a civic, moral, Constitution.

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

the moral implication is obvious;

our Constitution was Ordained and Established by our Founding Fathers.

Well, no it isn't.

So why don't you explain it to us.

Or admit you can't.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

Don't have time to write the volumes needed. Why don't you just list what doesn't involve morality? That's a much shorter list, since it will have zero entries. Most of the 'stupid' people tend to be like yourself, unable to accept morals and principles as important. I didn't say a thing about the Preamble, so you're already dissembling.

Mixed you up with a different moron in this thread.

The power to collect taxes has no basis in morality.

Next question.

yes, it does; it involves, faith, in the execution of the law.

A little early to be drinking.

People abide the law.....not some moral obligation.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

[Crickets]

Our Order is in our preamble to our supreme law of the land.

 

[danielpalos]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

did you not read the preamble to our federal Constitution?

There were nothing about orders there.

Look if you want to persist in trying to sell a fairy tale for an argument, go find a kiddies forum.

The preamble tells what the constitution was formed to do. The actual document tells us what it is doing.

And nowhere is there any mention of morality or a moral obligation. In fact, it is quite clear that those who framed this up were more interested in liberty than in yoking people to a strong central government that runs off of some kind of "moral" imperative.

They just got done booting people who did that.....out.

We have our standing Orders as citizens of our Republic.

You merely have lousy reading comprehension.

That's got to be one of the most laughable arguments so far this year.

We have......

I can't show you where there are any "orders".......but we have ........

i already Told you where it is.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a civic, moral, Constitution.

Our constitution does not enforce "morality" in any way shape or fashion.

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

the moral implication is obvious;

our Constitution was Ordained and Established by our Founding Fathers.

Well, no it isn't.

So why don't you explain it to us.

Or admit you can't.

yes, it does. you are merely clueless and Causeless, like any Ambassador of the Right Wing.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course it does, and in fact a moral basis is the only way it works at all.

Please show me where it specifically enforces morality.

There is nothing in statute that claims the preamble as it's basis, so you can spare us that stupidity.

One specific instance where morality is enforced.

Don't have time to write the volumes needed. Why don't you just list what doesn't involve morality? That's a much shorter list, since it will have zero entries. Most of the 'stupid' people tend to be like yourself, unable to accept morals and principles as important. I didn't say a thing about the Preamble, so you're already dissembling.

Mixed you up with a different moron in this thread.

The power to collect taxes has no basis in morality.

Next question.

yes, it does; it involves, faith, in the execution of the law.

A little early to be drinking.

People abide the law.....not some moral obligation.

there are no morals in faithful execution of the law?

 

[Doc1]

Interesting timing, $10 trillion later and just as a new president is coming in.

I, like a great man Rand Paul, believe that the U.S debt is a national security threat. Let's hope Trump can decrease this debt while also improving jobs and broadening the tax base.


U.S. General Accounting Office sounds alarm on America's insolvency

An alarming report this month from the U.S. government accountability office to Congress says “action is needed to address the federal government’s fiscal failure.”

The 49 page report, entitled “The Nation’s Fiscal Health” says, among other things, that “Congress and the incoming administration face serious economic, security, and social challenges” and “an unsustainable long-term fiscal path caused by a structural imbalance between revenue and spending.”

The more alarmist aspects of the report highlight the continuing divergence between revenue and expenses, as well as the shortfalls in unfunded Social Security obligations.

It warns that without policy changes, the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio will surpass its historical high of 106% within the next 25 years. The report stipulates that the new urgency implied in the document is a result of a more holistic picture of the nation’s finances that has emerged as a result of analyzing both the budget and the financial report of the United States government.

The debt service is less than 3% of GDP, so all the alarmist nonsense is mostly hot air. Shipping high productiivity enterprises and jobs overseas doesn't help, though, when running trade deficits of $400 billion plus every year for decades, as does tax breaks and subsidies for foreign 'investments' in labor racketeering scams and 'globalism' gibberish gutting the economy.

And Ron Paul is just another con artist, not a 'great man'; he never saw a set aside for his district he didn't like, and was one of the top four porksters in Congress for most of the years he was playing 'Libertoonian Hero' for the assorted airheads and loons running around, most of whom have apparently never filled out their own tax returns in their entire lives and are easily fooled by silly cognitively dissonant gibberish. There is of course some reason for concern, but not nearly as much as the ignorant think there is, and most of the deficit can be greatly reduced by doing away with tax breaks for Red China and those who import their junk, along with the tax breaks for 'overseas profits' and hedge funds' special tax rates.

Great idea, right up until the moment they call in our debt that they own.

 

[danielpalos]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

[Crickets]

Our Order is in our preamble to our supreme law of the land.

You just have, Lousy reading comprehension, that is all.

 

[Doc1]

Hmm. I want to have a serious discussion with Nat about his concerns, and his response is a "laugh" emoticon. Is this how he usually debates?

Mark

I very much believe the old adage and admonition about wrestling with pigs.....LOL

Which is what you define anyone who dares disagree with you as.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

did you not read the preamble to our federal Constitution?

There were nothing about orders there.

Look if you want to persist in trying to sell a fairy tale for an argument, go find a kiddies forum.

The preamble tells what the constitution was formed to do. The actual document tells us what it is doing.

And nowhere is there any mention of morality or a moral obligation. In fact, it is quite clear that those who framed this up were more interested in liberty than in yoking people to a strong central government that runs off of some kind of "moral" imperative.

They just got done booting people who did that.....out.

We have our standing Orders as citizens of our Republic.

You merely have lousy reading comprehension.

That's got to be one of the most laughable arguments so far this year.

We have......

I can't show you where there are any "orders".......but we have ........

i already Told you where it is.

Only one problem....it ain't there.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

We have our Orders, from our Founding Fathers, in general.

What orders were those ?

We were given a constitution which formed a representative republic at the federal level only.

All else was left to the states to decide.

[Crickets]

Our Order is in our preamble to our supreme law of the land.

You just have, Lousy reading comprehension, that is all.