SergeGainsbourg
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Nothing wrong with Noam Chomsky. He's one of the foremost intellectuals of our time. What seem unable to do is craft an argument based on facts and not ad homonym attacks. I support the state of Israel. I supported Operation Cast Lead as I thought it was absurd that Israel should have to put up with missile attacks from Hamas. But I am also against the occupation because it is bad for Israel, bad for America and the world, which puts me in agreement with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert.
If you are prepared to have an intelligent discussion (or even capable), how would you propose solving the upcoming demographic time bomb? What if the Palestinians say tomorrow that they are dissolving the Palestinian authority and ask for direct Israeli rule? What happens when they begin to protest non-violently for the right to vote? Non-jews are already over 40% of the population of the territory Israel controls. Arab birth rates are 2.2% annually, while Jewish are 1.8%. If this happens, how many Isrealis would want to leave for Europe or America?
Think.
You've been exposed no need to take any more of your bullshit seriously. The Arabs can do what they want, Israel will just annex what they feel they need give the Arabs what’s left. I actually doubt you're a Jew and your numbers are wrong...
Jews in Israel Are Not Declining Relative to Arabs Demographically
by Chris Gacek
May 24, 2011
Caroline Glick most recent column in the Jerusalem Post contains important demographic data. In his speech last week, President Obama stated, “The number of Palestinians living west of the Jordan River is growing rapidly and fundamentally reshaping the demographic realities of both Israel and the Palestinian territories. This will make it harder and harder – without a peace deal – to maintain Israel as both a Jewish state and a democratic state.”
Glick calls this the “demographic time bomb story,” and she says it is demonstrably false. I will let her provide the details:
“The demographic time bomb story is a Palestinian fabrication. In 1997, the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics published a falsified Palestinian census that inflated Palestinian population data by 50 percent.
“The Israeli Left adopted this fake report as its own when Palestinian terrorism and political warfare convinced the majority of Israelis that it was unwise to give them any more land and that the peace process was a lie.
“Since 2004, repeated, in-depth studies of Jewish and Arab birthrates and immigration/ emigration statistics west of the Jordan River undertaken by independent researchers have shown that the demographic time bomb is a dud. In January, the respected demographer Yaakov Faitelson published a study for the Institute of Zionist Strategies in which he definitively put to rest the tale of pending Jewish demographic doom.
“As Faitelson demonstrated, Jewish and Arab birthrates are already converging west of the Jordan River at around three children per woman. And whereas the fertility rates of Israeli Arabs, Gazans and residents of Judea and Samaria are all trending downward, Jewish fertility is consistently rising. Moreover, whereas the Arabs are experiencing consistently negative net immigration rates, Jewish net immigration rates are positive and high.”
“Faitelson based his multiyear projections on current population numbers in which Jews comprise 58.6 percent of the population west of the Jordan River and Muslims constitute 38.7% of the overall population. Non-Jewish, non-Muslim minorities comprise the other 2.7%. Using assessment baselines for Jewish net immigration well below current averages, Faitelson showed that in the years to come, not only will Jews not lose our demographic majority. We will increase it.
FRC Blog » Jews in Israel Are Not Declining Relative to Arabs Demographically
You know, its funny. I find myself strangely agreeing with you. There isn't any need for further conversation.
First, I am Jewish. My mother is Jewish and I identify myself as such.
Second, I was never hiding anything. I am for Chomsky. I am for Peace Now. I agree with J Street. I was for the evacuation from Gaza. I think the peace treaty with Egypt was a good idea (many on the right in Israel hated at the time, the way they hate peace now).
Third, I think you have shown your true colors. You favor an Israel state that flouts international law, has the ethics of Putin's Russia, without democracy, while echoing hollow words about freedom quoted from your hero the puppet Ronald Reagan--a man even his own aids thought was not very intelligent. You obviously care more about Israel than the United States, whereas I am an American citizen and I support policies that are good for America. Supporting a criminal Israeli regime is not the in US interest.
You propose stealing large portions of the West Bank based on might makes right. Because of the "facts on the ground." How did World War II start? Hello ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia? The rule of law should mean something to civilized peoples.
I disagree with President Obama. I think UN recognition of a Palestinian state, which because of Bibi will happen in September is probably a good thing for the peace process. After all sanctions worked in South Africa.
Upon further reflection, I think having a Jewish state--the only Jewish state--acting in a criminal manner (breaking international law repeatedly) is not good for Jews world wide. Moreover it is not good for Jews in Israel. If there is one thing the history of the 20th century tells us is that non-violent liberation movements, such as Gandhi in India, MLK in the US, color revolutions of eastern Europe, etc. have always beaten back might makes right land grabbing. The Palestinians have finally begun to realize this and now they are more dangerous than ever to those in Israel who seek to annex their land. They have taken away the security excuse.
Jews worldwide need to realize that a true friend of Israel is to support policies that give Israel a sustainable future rather than policies that mirror past totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.
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