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Maybe you not, but maybe the retired Sergeant who thinks Turkey is dependent to USA on economic reasons.
I argument that Turkey is not. Those who care will read and understand.
So? You're just arguing more dumb shit. You think Turkey can stand up to the US militarily, and now you think Turkey is not dependent on the US for its defense systems.
You're willfully blind to the truth because you can't handle the fact that your country just ain't the greatest thing since sliced cheese. Tough.
I am not blind. I know it myself, that Airforce is dependent on Lockheed Martin, by the way Turkey is one of best customers abroad.
Every problem has a solution. If Politicians and Army of Turkey say cooperation with USA will be stopped, all these things of F-35 are thought very well, before such statements are made.
It will boost Turkey to go more autarkic in airforce, like Turkey currently goes in Navy and Army technology from Frigates, Corvettes, Battle Tanks, Satellites, Howitzers, Battle Helicopters.
USA will loose one of biggest weapons procurer.
And i do not think, that Turkey will go in airforce from one depedency(USA) to another (Russia) etc.
- Re-engineering F-16s to Turkish needs
- integrateing Turkish components to F-16 chassis
- changeing F-16 design
- arming F-16's with local rockets
etc.
Source Codes to do all this with Block 40 F-16 we have. Under CCIP update we also get source codes of Block 50 F-16.
But if CCIP is cancelled by Ankara we will reverse-engineer on basis of Block-40. Or develop complete own fire-control system and mission computer.
We have experience with F-16 and industrial potential in general as well as industrial knowlegde of F-16 is there.
I think to have read, that USA's F.16 will still be in service to 2040 year. So it is Turkey. Turkey will not buy different aircrafts from anyone and set-up plenty of different logistical support. We will stick with what we have and improve that and invest major bucks to develop Turkish-16 (T-16) and constantly improve to Turkish Airforce's needs.
Dude, you are BEYOND delusional. Hitler would have loved to have you on his staff.
What delusional?
Do you think delusional people like you are in power-mechanism of Turkish capital?
Turkish Airforce's dependenccy on Lockheed Martin is known and before makeing statements of stopping USA-Turkey military relation, such things of Lockheed Martin are severaly thought over. If not, these people would not be in that position and security-related institutions would be not needed.
Every change in requirement, leads to new ways.
Speaking in context:
a) buying with Russian or European aircrafts
b) going ahead with what we have unmodernized in future
c) make own fighters via reverse-engineering and constanly modernize whole platform to future needs.
Don't think, that Turkey loosens dependency on USA and will make same error to replace dependency with Russia, Europe etc.
Airforce is something of National Security.
In this case, we can cancel Frigate-Programme or other programme and redirect engineers on F-16.
Money should be least problem for something of National Security priority.
Turkish economy is booming since Winter 2002.
So question is:
- Are the needs of Airforce and their planning for future of National Security priority? YES
- Is money available ? YES
- Is industrial capacity and knowledge vailable ? YES
We are not Saudi-Arabia, nor Iran. Both are industrial far beyond us.
Turkey modernizes F-16 of countries like Jordan, Pakistan.
At TAI production-facilities in Eskisehir went 276 out for Turkish and Egyptian army.
We are after USA biggest user of F-16, and have deep experience in F-16 operateing.
If someone can engineer on F-16, it is Turkey.
The motive out of need, is also there in this case.
Facts speak for itself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Aerospace_Industries
Involved in new Attack Helicopter production, F-16 production, F-16 modernization etc.
Till 2005 even Lockheed Martin hold 42% of shares. Now 100% owned by Turkish Army.
Rest is a question of
- National Security priority
- Money
once military cooperation with USA is stopped.
The Turks' arrival in Korea garnered a considerable amount of publicity. The Turkish soldiers' fierce appearance, flowing mustaches and great knives were a war correspondent's dream come true. Although they had not fought in a major conflict since World War I, the Turkish soldiers had the reputation of being rough, hard fighters who preferred the offensive position and gave no quarter in battle. Most of the enlisted men were young and carried a sidearm sword that, to Americans and the other U.N. troops, appeared to be a long knife. No other U.N. troops were armed with that kind of knife, or indeed any other weapon out of the ordinary. The Turks had a dangerous proficiency in close combat with their long knives that made all other Allied forces want to stay clear of them.
In the course of the U.N. offensive and the Chinese counteroffensive, the 1st Turkish Brigade suffered 3,514 casualties, of which 741 were killed in action, 2,068 wounded, 163 missing and 244 taken prisoner, as well as 298 noncombatant casualties.
The Turks, armed and trained by American military advisers, did better than even they had hoped or expected in this, their first real combat since World War I. The American units to which they were attached respected their skills and tenacity in combat. Some comments by American officers give insight into the Turks and their abilities. "They really prefer to be on the offensive and handle it quite well," went one appraisal. "They are not as good at defensive positions, and certainly never retreat." Another report told of their patrol skills: "Certain Turkish patrols always reported high body counts when they returned from patrols. Headquarters always scoffed at the high numbers, much higher in fact than any other unit, until the Turks decided to bring the enemy bodies back and dump them at headquarters for the body count."
The Turks acquitted themselves in a brave and noble fashion in some of the worst conditions experienced in the Korean War. Very little else could have been required or expected of them. Their heavy casualties speak of their honor and commitment. Their bravery requires no embellishment. It stands on its own.
http://www8.janes.com/Search/docume...ttp://search.janes.com/Search&Prod_Name=JWAR&Turkish soldiers have always been renowned for their fighting qualities and observers continue to be impressed by the endurance they show during a physically demanding training regime.
http://www.cess.org/publications/harmoniepapers/pdfs/HarmoniePaper19.pdfThe majority of the Turks attach more value to the family, local community and/or the nation than to the individual. These mindsets are reinforced by the education system, which teaches Turkish children to love the motherland, to be a Turk and that the military is the ideal embodiment of Turkishness. Children are told in schools and by their parents that all heroes in Turkish society are warriors, that the military is the symbol of national unity and that every Turk is born as a soldier. The strong relationship between the military and public is reinforced by compulsory service, as this is considered by most Turks as a holy duty.
It is a good link, I would also link for American audience which have no clue about the island. Sums it clearly up what it is all about regarding the island Cyprus.
BUT, it is also not said there, that Turkey has to "vacate" the island.
Such statement by EU you will never find, as it was never made, and is not a precondition for Turkey to join EU.
The only thing EU wants is Turkey expanding customs union to South Cyprus, since Cyprus joined EU customs Union in 2004.
Turkey is member to EU customs union since 1996.
Turkey gave promise to open up airports and naval ports for South-Cyprus vessels. EU made promise to establish trade links to North-Cyprus.
EU still today did not hold its promise, so South-Cyprus ships stay out of Turkey as return.
