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police is searching for a 14-17 years old shooter.
Police is investigateing.
Phantom-ppicture has been made.
It is not clear that this shooting is associated with carricatures.
We will see the results of turkish police investigation.
Police is investigateing former death-announcings against him. As he helped prostitutes from the mafia and made missionary activities in this city.
some deeper information:
Italian priest killed in Trebisonda
by Mavi Zambak
Country in shock. Televisions speak of shame for the murder of priest from diocese of Rome.
Ankara (AsiaNews) - All Christian churches are now being guarded, television news reports speak of shame for Turkey, also considering the fact that this criminal act took place in a sacred place. All of Turkey is under shock. Fr Andrea Santoro, a "fidei donum" priest from the diocese of Rome, was killed as the result of two gun shots. He had been working in Turkey for some 10 years.
After having spent several years in Urfa, in southern Turkey near the border with Syria, Fr Santoro had been located in Trabson (the renowned Trebisonda on the Black Sea) for the past few years. A difficult area due to the trafficking of prostitutes from the east as well as the lack of a stable Christian community. It was for this very reason that Fr Andrea wanted to be there: to be a glimmer of hope, a witness of Christ's unconditional love. And this is just how he is currently being remembered on television by his neighbours. Shocked by how anyone could have wanted the murder of a friendly and kind person, a good neighbour to all. A man of faith who spent many hours in church praying for the salvation of all.
And yet, just this afternoon, at 3:30 p.m., as he was busy, just like every other day, opening his parish's Saint Mary Church, a young16-year old man did not hesitate to shoot him, to then disappear without a trace. Fr Andrea's helper, Loredana, also from Rome, was with him at the time of the shooting, but was able to only get a glimpse of the killer's arm as he aimed to fire.
Trabson is now being heavily guarded and the entire population is joining the local Church as it mourns and awaits the arrival of the Apostolic Vicar of Anatolia, Monsignor Luigi Padovese, who immediately set out, travelling north by airplane, from diocese headquarters in Iskenderun, more than a thousand kilometres from the scene of the crime. It will be up to this prelate to release a statement on the incident.
In the meantime, security authorities having been saying on television that they will do everything possible to find the assassin. Some say they already have suspects and are awaiting the results of the ballistic examinations on the two bullets left at the scene.
Thanks for the more local coverage.
From Turkish newspaper:
Trabzon after Istanbul has become Turkey's second Texas. Professors are being shot, Turkish soccer players wives are being shot due to Mafia-Connections of their husbands, Leftist students are as last year openly lynch-mobbed on the streets. And the city has the highest rate of human trafficking and relatively highest rate of Mafia-prostitutes in Turkey.
Unfortunately, bullets in the sky of trabzon sum up. In the city there is a serious underrepresentation of Turkish state authority. And the city's police director was building joint-ventures with local mafia-boss' relatives.
Not only our newspaper was pointing to this situation. All Trabzon parlamentarians went to Interior Minister Aksu and emphasized their concerns as: "In the city is no state. There is a lack of security. 17 to 18 years old teenagers are dominateing the streets."
The outcome of this meeting is not clear. Since then everytime we interviewed Minister Aksu on conditions in Trabzon he fell in serious silence.
And on Sunday the scenery exploded. To the last informations of police a 16 year old, 1,55 m, 44-50 KG boy shot "Andrea Santoro".
The murder in Trabzon is from the first view linked with the protests against carricatures especially when an Azeri-Immigrant women said she heard calls of "Allahu akbar" immediately after the shooting. But as investigation proceeds there are some other links which come up. For example the shooter's gun: What does a 16 year old boy do when he decides to shoot a Christian Church-man? he goes and gets a gun. To the latest police-information the ballistic investigation, not precisely giving information due to investigation, was a professional gun and not a fabricated gun from local Gun-fabrics.
The government stands firm on the view that this shooting has nothing to do with Denmark. In talks with Italian officials it was agreed not to link this murder with Denmark. Anyhow besides Italian press, world press tried not to overvalue this murder in their journalism with speculation in respect to Turkey.
Yesterdays 8 hour lasting cabinet meeting was clear to stand on this issue.
Now lets come to the rumours on Trabzon's street. There are 2 dominant ones.
1. Santoro made missionary activities in this city.
2. Santoro contacted with prostitutes trafficked and jobbed by local mafia.
Till now we have not found any evidence Santoro tried to missionary in Trabzon. There are Christian missionaries in Trabzon, but those are American and not located or connected to the "Santa Maria Cathilc Church".
Santoro helping prostitutes in Trabzon is a clear fact.
Also to the Denmark-Carricature link, there were smaller demonstrations in Istanbul and Ankara. Nothing worth to talk about as with our other neighbours.
Peacefull demonstrations what their right is.
But, in Trabzon were no demonstrations. And even if there would have been a Denmark-demonstartion in Trabzon, we have to stand on the fact, that the shooter was alone not grouped with any others around him.
With high possibility this murder-incident has nothing to do with far away Denmark or Beirut, Tehran, Damaskus things, but with Turkish Trabzon things.
But now try to explin this to the world. And i am sure European press will listen Police press when this 16 year old shooter is being caught to squeeze him who gave him those gun in his hand.
After Mehmet Ali Agca who went into history as the turk "who treid to shoot the pope" we have now a teenager boy "who shot a Christian-Churchman" with free image-projection through worldwide press. What a shame to all of us.
What a mess! Do you have a good law and order man around or has it gotten to the point of total chaos ?
Hello. First: i don't want my above post to be seen as a fact. As neither the shooter has been caught nor the investigation is closed. It can be that this murder is connected to "Islam-Denmark" connection. But, as the newspaper, i don't really believe in that. But can not deny it either.
Trabzon is on the North-coast of Turkey. Near Georgia. As you see in this link, Turkey is the main market for slavic women.
And Trabzon is the centre of this Turkey-Eurasia Slavic women route.
In 1970s + 80s when Turkey recruited para-miliatry besides official security forces, against Islamists and Communists they came from ultra-rightists. Mainly from these regions where Trabzon lies. After Turkey did broke and condemned this para-military past, these individuals went into mafia.
And in Turkey there is something called "deep state", a dinosaur from these past days. Army is not the deep state, but maybe some always-changeing individuals of army are in "Deep state". It hesitates to went against these structures left and settled in Trabzon areas.
Also they have good connections to USA, most of them educated in Para-Military by Turkey and USA ahainst Islamists and Communists that day behind.
Turkey is able to make law and stability in its own boarders. But this is a question of "?goodwill?". There are still "deep state" elements in Turkey, which Turkey will eridicate on its way to a open democracy. But this elements feel comfortable with situation as it is rigt now. Many money being made in Tranzon-Underground.
Wheter Andrea Santoro was shot by an Islamist or shot by mafia, whose being in this degree is only possible due to "deep state". Pro-European Turks will stay on this issue and will let it stay on agenda. Also EU will have interest in this....
This is from the past. These days, "deep state" is outsourced from capital Ankara and political mechanism. And many low-level individuals of them found new home in Trabzon-underground. With always news from There makeing it to Turkish Texas. Yet. Ankara don't really want to stop what there is going on. But Ankara could if it wanted to. As Ankara has the authority and power to make everything within Turkish boarders from east to west and north to south.
It is like a systematic "i close my eyes" in these areas. But killing of Santoro as a Italian Catholic-Preist either direct by them or by others through conditions came with "I close my eyes"-situation has another quality. I am sorry for Mr.Santoro's family. But cleaning up what really was going on there in "santa Maria Church" will take Turkey to a inner-judgement with its own past in some aspects. Premise mafia shot him.
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