Trumps old Chief of Staff calls out Fox News

[Jitss617]

Did you even read this survey before you posted it?!

Of course and this statement PROVES how influenced by the MSM the polled people are.
"Democrats rated Mr. Trump 14%, Independents 22%, and Republicans 35%. 18% of the sample had “No Opinion.”"
4,012 viewers rated broadcast and cable brands they watched regularly (3+ times a week) via our Emotional Engagement Analysis to determine how much – that one value in particular – trust – was engendered by the brands, with the following results. + 5% indicates a significant difference at the 95% confidence level:
Fortunately the majority of us reality supporters don't waste our time on "Emotional Engagement Analysis"! People like you complain and as
a result people like you made up the above 4,012 viewers.... But the majority of these people including YOU are NOT doers as Trump and millions of us are and respect! See people like you and those that responded are pretty dependent on people like Trump, me and the other "Doers" to provide you food, shelter, etc. as you are probably too lazy, definitely uninformed and above all evidently don't like people who get things done, i.e. as Trump.

Fortunately I like millions are too busy to be bothered by answering unknown phone numbers...i.e. the robocalls that the above polls depend on!

Pollsters fret looming robocall restrictions
Consumers have the right to control the calls and texts they receive, and the FCC is moving to enforce those rights and protect consumers against robocalls, spam texts, and telemarketing," FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler said in a blog post last month.
Pollsters fret looming robocall restrictions

I know this goes over your head but most smart and informed people KNEW the above were robocalls wasting their time. Only lazy, people
that don't get many calls ANSWER these Robocall pollsters!

Haha, all of a sudden you know that the 4000 people polled are not doers and that I’m not a doer?! Ok buddy, way to discredit yourself by making a conclusion about something you clearly know nothing about. You’re not expecting to be taken seriously now do you?

Why is John Kelly making comments to left-wing journalist why doesn’t he have the balls to go face off against Sean Hannity?

Sean Hannity is NOT a journalist, he is a propagandist. He would be FIRED from any real news agency.

The Seth Rich hack job he put together took interviews and edited it different questions before the answer to make it look like investigators and police thought he was the hacker. The policy, the investigator, the FBI and the Rich Family all called Hannity out for this and two lawsuits were filed.

This is a big hairy deal in the world of journalism. This editing technique got the producers of the Planned Parenthood videos charged with fraud. Hannity should have been fired and never worked again for a major outlet after this.

In the real world, outside of the right wing bubble, Sean Hannity is a dishonest hack. Maury Povich is a better journalist. Democrats and those on the left will not go on Hannity's program, because they don't go on Povich, or TMZ either. They talk to real journalists.

The scary thing is that there are still a bunch of dupes that still defend and believe the Seth Rich crap. The “never apologize/double down” mentality has taken over and our country has taken a large step towards becoming much dumber

All me know is Clinton stopped any investigation in to his death

 

[Mac-7]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly could have said the same about liberals who refuse to watch Fox and only get one side of the story from the rabid anti trump lib news media

but he’s pissed at trump

most trump supporters are inundated with anti trump spin 24/7 so they are well aware of both sides

yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

 

[justoffal]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

And he thinks that people watching MSNBC
Are somehow different?

Kelly got caught colluding with Tillerson
to be cabinet level secret resistance to the Administration.....if they didn't like their jobs and they should have simply have submitted their resignations.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

You are a laughable sham. There are very few shitstains in print that work hard as the Washington Post to contort the truth. Your post is a complete joke. If you want to be taken seriously stop trying to find a moral High ground that does not exist. The dead giveaway is your insistence that professional lying exists only on the right.

Shareholders demand prophets not truth.
They don't give a shit whatsoever what's printed in the newspaper as long as it sells. Who the hell are you trying to fool? Sounds to me like you're trying to fool yourself.

Anyone can be informed today if they take the time to search through the garbage and do some critical review.

You are obviously either ill-informed or purposely untruthful. But one thing you definitely are is partisan..... That is not a synonym for Truth by the way.

Jo

 

[Slade3200]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly could have said the same about liberals who refuse to watch Fox and only get one side of the story from the rabid anti trump lib news media

but he’s pissed at trump

most trump supporters are inundated with anti trump spin 24/7 so they are well aware of both sides

yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

It’s important for both point of views to be represented and for somebody to be adequately informed in today’s world they need to seek information from a variety of sources. Not just one. And not just the ones that reenforce your ideology. That was Kelly’s point. I think it’s a good one. Don’t you?

 

[Slade3200]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

And he thinks that people watching MSNBC
Are somehow different?

Kelly got caught colluding with Tillerson
to be cabinet level secret resistance to the Administration.....if they didn't like their jobs and they should have simply have submitted their resignations.

Jo

No, he sever said that he thinks people watching MSNBC are different. That would be you misinterpreting his statement. Same would apply to them. But I like how you go with the spin and attack response... very typical in today’s era of mud slinging discourse

 

[justoffal]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

Do you watch Fox News?

I have watched it but it's insipid, and they just flat out lie. A lot. I don't have much patience for liars. And they constantly try to gin up outrage against liberals. FOX heavily promoted the Birther lies. Stuff like that. Sometimes I just tune in for the entertainment value of watching something so bad that it's hard to believe anyone falls for this crap.

If anyone from CNN (another network I have little use for), had broadcast that Seth Rich fiction that Hannity broadcast, which FOX was forced to publically retract and apologize for, and which resulted in two lawsuits that FOX was forced to settle, that reporter would have been fired. Hannity got sent "on vacation" for a couple of weeks, and that was it.

There's also a total "dirty old man" vibe to FOX that just creeps me out. All of the women are young and blond, and dressed in short, tight, sleeveless dresses, sitting on sofas so you can peek up their skirts. The men are all much, much older. Few of the women do substantive reporting. That's left to the men. I felt this way LONG before I learned about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and their sexual harassment suit.

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

And he thinks that people watching MSNBC
Are somehow different?

Kelly got caught colluding with Tillerson
to be cabinet level secret resistance to the Administration.....if they didn't like their jobs and they should have simply have submitted their resignations.

Jo

No, he sever said that he thinks people watching MSNBC are different. That would be you misinterpreting his statement. Same would apply to them. But I like how you go with the spin and attack response... very typical in today’s era of mud slinging discourse

I didn't say that he did say that, but it amazes me how everyone always focuses on Fox when every single Network out there has an even share the guilt. It's a demonstration of how the left wing has dominated the psychology of the media.

Jo

 

[Dragonlady]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

Do you watch Fox News?

I have watched it but it's insipid, and they just flat out lie. A lot. I don't have much patience for liars. And they constantly try to gin up outrage against liberals. FOX heavily promoted the Birther lies. Stuff like that. Sometimes I just tune in for the entertainment value of watching something so bad that it's hard to believe anyone falls for this crap.

If anyone from CNN (another network I have little use for), had broadcast that Seth Rich fiction that Hannity broadcast, which FOX was forced to publically retract and apologize for, and which resulted in two lawsuits that FOX was forced to settle, that reporter would have been fired. Hannity got sent "on vacation" for a couple of weeks, and that was it.

There's also a total "dirty old man" vibe to FOX that just creeps me out. All of the women are young and blond, and dressed in short, tight, sleeveless dresses, sitting on sofas so you can peek up their skirts. The men are all much, much older. Few of the women do substantive reporting. That's left to the men. I felt this way LONG before I learned about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and their sexual harassment suit.

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

And he thinks that people watching MSNBC
Are somehow different?

Kelly got caught colluding with Tillerson
to be cabinet level secret resistance to the Administration.....if they didn't like their jobs and they should have simply have submitted their resignations.

Jo

No, he sever said that he thinks people watching MSNBC are different. That would be you misinterpreting his statement. Same would apply to them. But I like how you go with the spin and attack response... very typical in today’s era of mud slinging discourse

I didn't say that he did say that, but it amazes me how everyone always focuses on Fox when every single Network out there has an even share the guilt. It's a demonstration of how the left wing has dominated the psychology of the media.

Jo

I do watch MSNBC, and I find comparisons to FOX not very valid. MSNBC critizied Obama frequently, and they do have fact based reporting. MSNBC has a LOT of former Republicans who seem to be on a mission to Republicanize the Democratic Party.

CNN is far more slaveringly partisan than MSNBC, sickening so.

 

[wamose]

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

Do you watch Fox News?

I have watched it but it's insipid, and they just flat out lie. A lot. I don't have much patience for liars. And they constantly try to gin up outrage against liberals. FOX heavily promoted the Birther lies. Stuff like that. Sometimes I just tune in for the entertainment value of watching something so bad that it's hard to believe anyone falls for this crap.

If anyone from CNN (another network I have little use for), had broadcast that Seth Rich fiction that Hannity broadcast, which FOX was forced to publically retract and apologize for, and which resulted in two lawsuits that FOX was forced to settle, that reporter would have been fired. Hannity got sent "on vacation" for a couple of weeks, and that was it.

There's also a total "dirty old man" vibe to FOX that just creeps me out. All of the women are young and blond, and dressed in short, tight, sleeveless dresses, sitting on sofas so you can peek up their skirts. The men are all much, much older. Few of the women do substantive reporting. That's left to the men. I felt this way LONG before I learned about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and their sexual harassment suit.

The real truth told deeply is not allowed. The real truth of the inner cities. The real truth of the gay communities. The real truth of the insidious quotas and political correctness that has diminished our nation as a competitor in the world. By the late 1960's more and more men stopped protecting women. Today it is more that will not defend a woman then do. A lot more. And a higher percentage of them that do are the deplorables. You compare people to much. Saying what is strong and what is not. Giving one the same position is not the same as proving oneself as one of the best. Or one of the best of the best. It is easy for you to spout this. For you and many of us in the west live off of men and women working in slave shops around the world. In the near future, perhaps a couple of decades or so, these nations are/will become more self sustainable and we won't be first on the list for their products. That is what is happening just in part.

Americans are eating because of the virtual slave labour of illegal immigrant farm workers. The plant and harvest the crops that end up on middle class tables. Farmers are desperate for workers to harvest crops and jurisdictions which have choked off illegal immigration have farmers whose crops are rotting in the field.

The American economy has always depended on a large pool of cheap labour to build wealth. First it was the indentured workers. Followed by the slaves, and then the "guest" workers - primarily from China, and then finally, illegal immigrants.

The wealthy have always feared the poor. They feared that if the poor whites and the poor blacks ever got together, they'd be attacked and their wealth stolen. So they set about pit poor whites against poor blacks so they would never have to fear a revolt against their wealth and power.

This continues to this day with Reagan's welfare queen lies, and the continual lies that lazy minorities are violent and dangerous. Crime isn't driven by race, it's driven by poverty, and in the USA, the highest rates of poverty are among blacks and Latinos, who face systemic racism and discrimination to this day.

Rural America now has higher crime rates than most inner cities - all because of the loss of manufacturing in the heartland and the opiod crisis. The opiod crisis was created by Big Pharma pushing opiod drugs to Americans. The medical industrial complex and Big Pharma have learned what every drug dealer knows, nothing is as reliably profitable as a drug addict. The opiod crisis has hit the hardest in areas which loss auto manufacturing plants. Drug addiciton, alcoholism and suicide are the "diseases of despair".

Who do Republicans blame for this mess? Mexicans, minorities, and bad choices by bad people. Not the companies who automated or who shipped jobs overseas for higher profits. Certainly not the government who didn't offer re-training, or skills upgrades to the workers their policies were affecting. Not Big Pharma companies which made BILLIONS by addicting Americans and then started developing expensive drugs to "cure" the addictions to profit further.

And still Republicans pit poor whites against poor black and keep ginning up the fear and loathing. When are poor whites people going to stop believing all of their lies and bullshit? Now you have the government turning your children into indentured servants to the student loans, saddling those who know they need a good education to get a good job, with $40,000 in student debt. And you have to repay this money, even if you go bankrupt.

When Ronald Reagan was elected President, you had a 20% chance of working your way out of poverty and into the middle class. Today, your chance is 2%. Republicans don't want poor white people to have a chance. They want to profit off your work, but you'll be working to pay off those student loans for the next 20 years.

And still you fools keep voting for Republicans waiting for the wealth to "trickle down" to you. Stop letting guy like Trump piss on you and tell you it's raining. When I applied for Business School, my tuition was $2,000 per year. If one of my grandkids wants to take that course, it's $20,000 per year. That's $80,000 for a business degree. This is a fiscal ball and chain on this general, and the government owns your ass.

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

Do you watch Fox News?

I have watched it but it's insipid, and they just flat out lie. A lot. I don't have much patience for liars. And they constantly try to gin up outrage against liberals. FOX heavily promoted the Birther lies. Stuff like that. Sometimes I just tune in for the entertainment value of watching something so bad that it's hard to believe anyone falls for this crap.

If anyone from CNN (another network I have little use for), had broadcast that Seth Rich fiction that Hannity broadcast, which FOX was forced to publically retract and apologize for, and which resulted in two lawsuits that FOX was forced to settle, that reporter would have been fired. Hannity got sent "on vacation" for a couple of weeks, and that was it.

There's also a total "dirty old man" vibe to FOX that just creeps me out. All of the women are young and blond, and dressed in short, tight, sleeveless dresses, sitting on sofas so you can peek up their skirts. The men are all much, much older. Few of the women do substantive reporting. That's left to the men. I felt this way LONG before I learned about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and their sexual harassment suit.

The real truth told deeply is not allowed. The real truth of the inner cities. The real truth of the gay communities. The real truth of the insidious quotas and political correctness that has diminished our nation as a competitor in the world. By the late 1960's more and more men stopped protecting women. Today it is more that will not defend a woman then do. A lot more. And a higher percentage of them that do are the deplorables. You compare people to much. Saying what is strong and what is not. Giving one the same position is not the same as proving oneself as one of the best. Or one of the best of the best. It is easy for you to spout this. For you and many of us in the west live off of men and women working in slave shops around the world. In the near future, perhaps a couple of decades or so, these nations are/will become more self sustainable and we won't be first on the list for their products. That is what is happening just in part.

Americans are eating because of the virtual slave labour of illegal immigrant farm workers. The plant and harvest the crops that end up on middle class tables. Farmers are desperate for workers to harvest crops and jurisdictions which have choked off illegal immigration have farmers whose crops are rotting in the field.

The American economy has always depended on a large pool of cheap labour to build wealth. First it was the indentured workers. Followed by the slaves, and then the "guest" workers - primarily from China, and then finally, illegal immigrants.

The wealthy have always feared the poor. They feared that if the poor whites and the poor blacks ever got together, they'd be attacked and their wealth stolen. So they set about pit poor whites against poor blacks so they would never have to fear a revolt against their wealth and power.

This continues to this day with Reagan's welfare queen lies, and the continual lies that lazy minorities are violent and dangerous. Crime isn't driven by race, it's driven by poverty, and in the USA, the highest rates of poverty are among blacks and Latinos, who face systemic racism and discrimination to this day.

Rural America now has higher crime rates than most inner cities - all because of the loss of manufacturing in the heartland and the opiod crisis. The opiod crisis was created by Big Pharma pushing opiod drugs to Americans. The medical industrial complex and Big Pharma have learned what every drug dealer knows, nothing is as reliably profitable as a drug addict. The opiod crisis has hit the hardest in areas which loss auto manufacturing plants. Drug addiciton, alcoholism and suicide are the "diseases of despair".

Who do Republicans blame for this mess? Mexicans, minorities, and bad choices by bad people. Not the companies who automated or who shipped jobs overseas for higher profits. Certainly not the government who didn't offer re-training, or skills upgrades to the workers their policies were affecting. Not Big Pharma companies which made BILLIONS by addicting Americans and then started developing expensive drugs to "cure" the addictions to profit further.

And still Republicans pit poor whites against poor black and keep ginning up the fear and loathing. When are poor whites people going to stop believing all of their lies and bullshit? Now you have the government turning your children into indentured servants to the student loans, saddling those who know they need a good education to get a good job, with $40,000 in student debt. And you have to repay this money, even if you go bankrupt.

When Ronald Reagan was elected President, you had a 20% chance of working your way out of poverty and into the middle class. Today, your chance is 2%. Republicans don't want poor white people to have a chance. They want to profit off your work, but you'll be working to pay off those student loans for the next 20 years.

And still you fools keep voting for Republicans waiting for the wealth to "trickle down" to you. Stop letting guy like Trump piss on you and tell you it's raining. When I applied for Business School, my tuition was $2,000 per year. If one of my grandkids wants to take that course, it's $20,000 per year. That's $80,000 for a business degree. This is a fiscal ball and chain on this general, and the government owns your ass.

Some pretty decent points here but your summation pretty much blows.

 

[Mac-7]

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly could have said the same about liberals who refuse to watch Fox and only get one side of the story from the rabid anti trump lib news media

but he’s pissed at trump

most trump supporters are inundated with anti trump spin 24/7 so they are well aware of both sides

yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

It’s important for both point of views to be represented and for somebody to be adequately informed in today’s world they need to seek information from a variety of sources. Not just one. And not just the ones that reenforce your ideology. That was Kelly’s point. I think it’s a good one. Don’t you?

I think kelly was exhibiting some residual butt hurt over his time with trump

and taking it out on trump voters

 

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John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

Do you watch Fox News?

I have watched it but it's insipid, and they just flat out lie. A lot. I don't have much patience for liars. And they constantly try to gin up outrage against liberals. FOX heavily promoted the Birther lies. Stuff like that. Sometimes I just tune in for the entertainment value of watching something so bad that it's hard to believe anyone falls for this crap.

If anyone from CNN (another network I have little use for), had broadcast that Seth Rich fiction that Hannity broadcast, which FOX was forced to publically retract and apologize for, and which resulted in two lawsuits that FOX was forced to settle, that reporter would have been fired. Hannity got sent "on vacation" for a couple of weeks, and that was it.

There's also a total "dirty old man" vibe to FOX that just creeps me out. All of the women are young and blond, and dressed in short, tight, sleeveless dresses, sitting on sofas so you can peek up their skirts. The men are all much, much older. Few of the women do substantive reporting. That's left to the men. I felt this way LONG before I learned about Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly and their sexual harassment suit.

John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

And he thinks that people watching MSNBC
Are somehow different?

Kelly got caught colluding with Tillerson
to be cabinet level secret resistance to the Administration.....if they didn't like their jobs and they should have simply have submitted their resignations.

Jo

No, he sever said that he thinks people watching MSNBC are different. That would be you misinterpreting his statement. Same would apply to them. But I like how you go with the spin and attack response... very typical in today’s era of mud slinging discourse

I didn't say that he did say that, but it amazes me how everyone always focuses on Fox when every single Network out there has an even share the guilt. It's a demonstration of how the left wing has dominated the psychology of the media.

Jo

Everybody always focuses on Fox?! Are you dead blind or dumb?! There has been an ongoing war against the MSM. CNN, MSNBC and all the other outlets for the past three years. Our commander and chief calls them the enemy of the people and is on record with thousands of smears against their owners, shows, hosts, and reporters. These sentiments have been echoed through right wing media at nausea.

some of the critique is well deserved. Fox also deserves some critique. Don’t pretend like Fox gets all the attacks, that’s BS.

 

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John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly could have said the same about liberals who refuse to watch Fox and only get one side of the story from the rabid anti trump lib news media

but he’s pissed at trump

most trump supporters are inundated with anti trump spin 24/7 so they are well aware of both sides

yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

It’s important for both point of views to be represented and for somebody to be adequately informed in today’s world they need to seek information from a variety of sources. Not just one. And not just the ones that reenforce your ideology. That was Kelly’s point. I think it’s a good one. Don’t you?

I think kelly was exhibiting some residual butt hurt over his time with trump

and taking it out on trump voters

Haha. Ok, I’m not surprised that you would think that. It’s a pretty weak, indirect and Ineffective way to attack Trump supporters... and rather immature for a general to go after supporters because of a personal dislike of the man. But if that’s what you want to believe is going on then that’s your right. Carry on

 

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John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly obviously IS NOT informed.
He evidently didn't know that...
In 2016, a study by the Center for Public Integrity showed that 96% of campaign donations by journalists went to Hillary Clinton,
compared to just 3.5% which went to Trump.
While coverage of President Obama included 59% favorable content among the 10 news outlets compared to 41% negative,
coverage of President Trump has included a whopping 80% of reporting that is negative in tone, with just 20% that is positive.
Nor is this partisan leaning among reporters anything new. According to the conservative Media Research Center, in 1992, journalists broke 89% to 7% in favor of then Governor Clinton over President George H.W. Bush, with a further 2% supporting Texas billionaire Ross Perot.
In 1996, just 15% of newspaper writers said they identified as conservatives. Among all journalists, just 6% said they were conservatives in 2001.

Just how biased is the media against Trump?

But of course Kelly goes on and chastises ONLY we Trump supporters as misinformed!
Seems pretty obvious to me that the biased MSM's news reports went where their money went... supporting Hillary,Democrats and against people like me.

Kelly is definitely a member of the swamp as he insisted Trump follow what prior Presidents did... if the president was a Democrat.. continue to do all sorts of lying.."46 million uninsured Americans", "half of all Americans have pre-existing conditions" and the Media never questions... but if a GOP... unless the
Presidents bowed to the MSM as Trump HASN"T DONE... the GOP were presented badly... but Trump even more so!

So I attribute Kelly's comments to his trying to appeal to quote ass kissing MSM!

Oh, Kelly’s not informed? He was only the chief is staff working in the White House for two years... but what does he know... you got an article you found in the interwebs. You win!

Actually Kelly was a 4-star Marine General and Kelly was selected as the first Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. Kelly earned a reputation for being an aggressive enforcer of immigration law. After six months, he was selected to replace Reince Priebus as White House Chief of Staff in an attempt to bring more stability to the White House.[3] He was the first career military officer to serve in the position since Alexander Haig during the Reagan administration.(Haig is famous for saying when Reagan was shot..“I’m in control here”
John F. Kelly - Wikipedia

I respect Kelly's military experience and I tend to ignore the gossip of the MSM but here is a biased report regarding Kelly being fired by Trump.
John Kelly to leave as Trump White House chief of staff at end of year

There are biased reports on all sides. Pick an issue and I’ll pull up an article from a liberal source and then a conservative source and it will be like to two completely different things. This General that you respect decides to point out the Fox News bias in his speech which I found interesting.


I probably watch more Fox than the other stations with exception of their nutball opinionists. I’m not hating on Fox, I’m just making aN observation

Yes you are right! There is biased reporting on both sides.
The problem is that the vast majority of MSM outlets are Anti-Trump as the voting studies pointed out. Did you not
read that 96% of reporters voted for Hillary against Trump?
Do you really believe watching both sides of the issue that there are equal number of anti-Trump media as Trump media?
Really you believe that.

I don't know how to convince you as facts don't seem to have a bearing.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials
100 news organizations have reportedly agreed to publish anti-Trump editorials in response to the president’s rhetoric about the media. The Boston Globe last week asked news organizations to publish editorials condemning the president’s attitude towards the press.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials

So here we have 100 news outlets trying to defend their "impartiality" by criticizing Trump's criticism?

Does that make for biased media or what?

President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media continue to spook journalists, First Amendment defenders and government ethics experts. His comments are scaring the media and generally are unprecedented in U.S. history.
There's only one problem: Trump's got a point.
ABC News blunder helps Trump score a point in his war on 'fake news'

 

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Kelly could have said the same about liberals who refuse to watch Fox and only get one side of the story from the rabid anti trump lib news media

but he’s pissed at trump

most trump supporters are inundated with anti trump spin 24/7 so they are well aware of both sides

yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

It’s important for both point of views to be represented and for somebody to be adequately informed in today’s world they need to seek information from a variety of sources. Not just one. And not just the ones that reenforce your ideology. That was Kelly’s point. I think it’s a good one. Don’t you?

I think kelly was exhibiting some residual butt hurt over his time with trump

and taking it out on trump voters

Haha. Ok, I’m not surprised that you would think that. It’s a pretty weak, indirect and Ineffective way to attack Trump supporters... and rather immature for a general to go after supporters because of a personal dislike of the man. But if that’s what you want to believe is going on then that’s your right. Carry on

Kelly attacked trump supporters who never did him no harm

 

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All of your comments are subjective. Personal. Not supported by the majority.
Here are results of a survey...
Brand Keys – “Fake TV News” Engenders More Trust Than The PresidentView attachment 306825

Did you even read this survey before you posted it?!

Of course and this statement PROVES how influenced by the MSM the polled people are.
"Democrats rated Mr. Trump 14%, Independents 22%, and Republicans 35%. 18% of the sample had “No Opinion.”"
4,012 viewers rated broadcast and cable brands they watched regularly (3+ times a week) via our Emotional Engagement Analysis to determine how much – that one value in particular – trust – was engendered by the brands, with the following results. + 5% indicates a significant difference at the 95% confidence level:
Fortunately the majority of us reality supporters don't waste our time on "Emotional Engagement Analysis"! People like you complain and as
a result people like you made up the above 4,012 viewers.... But the majority of these people including YOU are NOT doers as Trump and millions of us are and respect! See people like you and those that responded are pretty dependent on people like Trump, me and the other "Doers" to provide you food, shelter, etc. as you are probably too lazy, definitely uninformed and above all evidently don't like people who get things done, i.e. as Trump.

Fortunately I like millions are too busy to be bothered by answering unknown phone numbers...i.e. the robocalls that the above polls depend on!

Pollsters fret looming robocall restrictions
Consumers have the right to control the calls and texts they receive, and the FCC is moving to enforce those rights and protect consumers against robocalls, spam texts, and telemarketing," FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler said in a blog post last month.
Pollsters fret looming robocall restrictions

I know this goes over your head but most smart and informed people KNEW the above were robocalls wasting their time. Only lazy, people
that don't get many calls ANSWER these Robocall pollsters!

Haha, all of a sudden you know that the 4000 people polled are not doers and that I’m not a doer?! Ok buddy, way to discredit yourself by making a conclusion about something you clearly know nothing about. You’re not expecting to be taken seriously now do you?

Why is John Kelly making comments to left-wing journalist why doesn’t he have the balls to go face off against Sean Hannity?

Sean Hannity is NOT a journalist, he is a propagandist. He would be FIRED from any real news agency.

The Seth Rich hack job he put together took interviews and edited it different questions before the answer to make it look like investigators and police thought he was the hacker. The policy, the investigator, the FBI and the Rich Family all called Hannity out for this and two lawsuits were filed.

This is a big hairy deal in the world of journalism. This editing technique got the producers of the Planned Parenthood videos charged with fraud. Hannity should have been fired and never worked again for a major outlet after this.

In the real world, outside of the right wing bubble, Sean Hannity is a dishonest hack. Maury Povich is a better journalist. Democrats and those on the left will not go on Hannity's program, because they don't go on Povich, or TMZ either. They talk to real journalists.

Sean Hannity is NOT a journalist,

He doesn't claim to be a journalist you fucking idiot.

 

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John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Kelly obviously IS NOT informed.
He evidently didn't know that...
In 2016, a study by the Center for Public Integrity showed that 96% of campaign donations by journalists went to Hillary Clinton,
compared to just 3.5% which went to Trump.
While coverage of President Obama included 59% favorable content among the 10 news outlets compared to 41% negative,
coverage of President Trump has included a whopping 80% of reporting that is negative in tone, with just 20% that is positive.
Nor is this partisan leaning among reporters anything new. According to the conservative Media Research Center, in 1992, journalists broke 89% to 7% in favor of then Governor Clinton over President George H.W. Bush, with a further 2% supporting Texas billionaire Ross Perot.
In 1996, just 15% of newspaper writers said they identified as conservatives. Among all journalists, just 6% said they were conservatives in 2001.

Just how biased is the media against Trump?

But of course Kelly goes on and chastises ONLY we Trump supporters as misinformed!
Seems pretty obvious to me that the biased MSM's news reports went where their money went... supporting Hillary,Democrats and against people like me.

Kelly is definitely a member of the swamp as he insisted Trump follow what prior Presidents did... if the president was a Democrat.. continue to do all sorts of lying.."46 million uninsured Americans", "half of all Americans have pre-existing conditions" and the Media never questions... but if a GOP... unless the
Presidents bowed to the MSM as Trump HASN"T DONE... the GOP were presented badly... but Trump even more so!

So I attribute Kelly's comments to his trying to appeal to quote ass kissing MSM!

Oh, Kelly’s not informed? He was only the chief is staff working in the White House for two years... but what does he know... you got an article you found in the interwebs. You win!

Actually Kelly was a 4-star Marine General and Kelly was selected as the first Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. Kelly earned a reputation for being an aggressive enforcer of immigration law. After six months, he was selected to replace Reince Priebus as White House Chief of Staff in an attempt to bring more stability to the White House.[3] He was the first career military officer to serve in the position since Alexander Haig during the Reagan administration.(Haig is famous for saying when Reagan was shot..“I’m in control here”
John F. Kelly - Wikipedia

I respect Kelly's military experience and I tend to ignore the gossip of the MSM but here is a biased report regarding Kelly being fired by Trump.
John Kelly to leave as Trump White House chief of staff at end of year

There are biased reports on all sides. Pick an issue and I’ll pull up an article from a liberal source and then a conservative source and it will be like to two completely different things. This General that you respect decides to point out the Fox News bias in his speech which I found interesting.


I probably watch more Fox than the other stations with exception of their nutball opinionists. I’m not hating on Fox, I’m just making aN observation

Yes you are right! There is biased reporting on both sides.
The problem is that the vast majority of MSM outlets are Anti-Trump as the voting studies pointed out. Did you not
read that 96% of reporters voted for Hillary against Trump?
Do you really believe watching both sides of the issue that there are equal number of anti-Trump media as Trump media?
Really you believe that.

I don't know how to convince you as facts don't seem to have a bearing.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials
100 news organizations have reportedly agreed to publish anti-Trump editorials in response to the president’s rhetoric about the media. The Boston Globe last week asked news organizations to publish editorials condemning the president’s attitude towards the press.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials

So here we have 100 news outlets trying to defend their "impartiality" by criticizing Trump's criticism?

Does that make for biased media or what?

President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media continue to spook journalists, First Amendment defenders and government ethics experts. His comments are scaring the media and generally are unprecedented in U.S. history.
There's only one problem: Trump's got a point.
ABC News blunder helps Trump score a point in his war on 'fake news'

I don’t think the number of pro or anti trump orgs really matters. In today’s world we can find whatever it is we are looking for. It isn’t hard. Fox is the largest cable news network in America, conservative media dominates the radio, the Wall Street journal is one of the largest publications... so there is no shortage in options for people to tune into.

so really... point are you trying to make?

 

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yes you are correct. He could have made the exact same comment and used MSNBC as the example. It would have been the same point. I think the point is true no matter which media source is sited. And I bet you would be agreeing with him had he said CNN or MSNBC.

The interesting thing was the choice to use Fox for the example. I imagine he used it because of his experience working and living in an environment where a large circle of people that he was exposed to fit that description and were drunk on the conservative media narratives.

Most conservs are not drunk on just one side unless they live in a cave in the middle of nowhere

Except for Fox News the dominant theme of the media, pop culture and everything else is liberal

we know all about your point of view but simply do not agree

It’s important for both point of views to be represented and for somebody to be adequately informed in today’s world they need to seek information from a variety of sources. Not just one. And not just the ones that reenforce your ideology. That was Kelly’s point. I think it’s a good one. Don’t you?

I think kelly was exhibiting some residual butt hurt over his time with trump

and taking it out on trump voters

Haha. Ok, I’m not surprised that you would think that. It’s a pretty weak, indirect and Ineffective way to attack Trump supporters... and rather immature for a general to go after supporters because of a personal dislike of the man. But if that’s what you want to believe is going on then that’s your right. Carry on

Kelly attacked trump supporters who never did him no harm

haha, oh did he?! What was this attack he conducted on trump supporters?. Post the quote so I can gasp at the severity of it.

 

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Kelly obviously IS NOT informed.
He evidently didn't know that...
In 2016, a study by the Center for Public Integrity showed that 96% of campaign donations by journalists went to Hillary Clinton,
compared to just 3.5% which went to Trump.
While coverage of President Obama included 59% favorable content among the 10 news outlets compared to 41% negative,
coverage of President Trump has included a whopping 80% of reporting that is negative in tone, with just 20% that is positive.
Nor is this partisan leaning among reporters anything new. According to the conservative Media Research Center, in 1992, journalists broke 89% to 7% in favor of then Governor Clinton over President George H.W. Bush, with a further 2% supporting Texas billionaire Ross Perot.
In 1996, just 15% of newspaper writers said they identified as conservatives. Among all journalists, just 6% said they were conservatives in 2001.

Just how biased is the media against Trump?

But of course Kelly goes on and chastises ONLY we Trump supporters as misinformed!
Seems pretty obvious to me that the biased MSM's news reports went where their money went... supporting Hillary,Democrats and against people like me.

Kelly is definitely a member of the swamp as he insisted Trump follow what prior Presidents did... if the president was a Democrat.. continue to do all sorts of lying.."46 million uninsured Americans", "half of all Americans have pre-existing conditions" and the Media never questions... but if a GOP... unless the
Presidents bowed to the MSM as Trump HASN"T DONE... the GOP were presented badly... but Trump even more so!

So I attribute Kelly's comments to his trying to appeal to quote ass kissing MSM!

Oh, Kelly’s not informed? He was only the chief is staff working in the White House for two years... but what does he know... you got an article you found in the interwebs. You win!

Actually Kelly was a 4-star Marine General and Kelly was selected as the first Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. Kelly earned a reputation for being an aggressive enforcer of immigration law. After six months, he was selected to replace Reince Priebus as White House Chief of Staff in an attempt to bring more stability to the White House.[3] He was the first career military officer to serve in the position since Alexander Haig during the Reagan administration.(Haig is famous for saying when Reagan was shot..“I’m in control here”
John F. Kelly - Wikipedia

I respect Kelly's military experience and I tend to ignore the gossip of the MSM but here is a biased report regarding Kelly being fired by Trump.
John Kelly to leave as Trump White House chief of staff at end of year

There are biased reports on all sides. Pick an issue and I’ll pull up an article from a liberal source and then a conservative source and it will be like to two completely different things. This General that you respect decides to point out the Fox News bias in his speech which I found interesting.


I probably watch more Fox than the other stations with exception of their nutball opinionists. I’m not hating on Fox, I’m just making aN observation

Yes you are right! There is biased reporting on both sides.
The problem is that the vast majority of MSM outlets are Anti-Trump as the voting studies pointed out. Did you not
read that 96% of reporters voted for Hillary against Trump?
Do you really believe watching both sides of the issue that there are equal number of anti-Trump media as Trump media?
Really you believe that.

I don't know how to convince you as facts don't seem to have a bearing.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials
100 news organizations have reportedly agreed to publish anti-Trump editorials in response to the president’s rhetoric about the media. The Boston Globe last week asked news organizations to publish editorials condemning the president’s attitude towards the press.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials

So here we have 100 news outlets trying to defend their "impartiality" by criticizing Trump's criticism?

Does that make for biased media or what?

President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media continue to spook journalists, First Amendment defenders and government ethics experts. His comments are scaring the media and generally are unprecedented in U.S. history.
There's only one problem: Trump's got a point.
ABC News blunder helps Trump score a point in his war on 'fake news'

I don’t think the number of pro or anti trump orgs really matters. In today’s world we can find whatever it is we are looking for. It isn’t hard. Fox is the largest cable news network in America, conservative media dominates the radio, the Wall Street journal is one of the largest publications... so there is no shortage in options for people to tune into.

so really... point are you trying to make?

I guess I didn't make my point clear with the facts.
100 news outlets publish anti-Trump editorials. Why are they publishing them?

 

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John Kelly called out Fox News during a speech and not in a positive way. Interesting that a Conservative ex trump guy would point at Fox instead of the big bad MSM.

Analysis: John Kelly's biggest slam wasn't even about Trump — CNN Politics

"The media, in my view, and I feel very strongly about this, is not the enemy of the people," Kelly said. "We need a free media. That said, you have to be careful about what you are watching and reading, because the media has taken sides. So if you only watch Fox News, because it's reinforcing what you believe, you are not an informed citizen."

Why doesn’t he and other democrats face off with Hannity or tucker and let the people decide who won the argument.. he won’t.. he’s a coward

What's true and what's false, isn't an argument. People who watch FOX know less about REAL current events than people who never watch the news. FOX gives the conservative point of view on the news, but they don't actually have journalistic ethics and standards. On air personalities are told what stories to push, and what point of view to present. Facts are optional, truth isn't even a consideration.

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post but is well known to keep out of its editorial and political operations. The rest of the the MSM is owned by public corporations, who have to answer to their shareholders, and who take journnalistic ethics seriously, to maintain public trust.

Media which is owned by right wing billionaires exists for the purpose of promoting the Republican Party and right wing policies which gives tax cuts to their billionaire owners. They count on ginning up fear and anger in the base against all things liberal and they don't care about truth or facts.

All of the leading right wing media outlets are owned by billionaires. The Murdochs own FOX and the Wall Street Journal, the Mercers who own Breitbart, another website that promotes anti-immigrant garbage, racism and other lies, and the Sinclairs who own lots and lots of local FOX network stations.

I watch FOX, CNN and MSNBC and FOX is the only one who isn't 24/7 TRUMP news but does discuss current events. MSNBC and CNN have almost exclusively become 24/7 anti-TRUMP. It's no wonder the democrat primaries are doing so poorly with voter turnout when the MSM devotes so much time to attacking TRUMP and his administration. I remember in 2015/16 MSM showing republican rallies, town halls and many other type of campaign events. I don't think I have seen 1 democrat campaign rally on MSM longer then 5-10 minutes.

 

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Oh, Kelly’s not informed? He was only the chief is staff working in the White House for two years... but what does he know... you got an article you found in the interwebs. You win!

Actually Kelly was a 4-star Marine General and Kelly was selected as the first Secretary of Homeland Security in the Trump administration. Kelly earned a reputation for being an aggressive enforcer of immigration law. After six months, he was selected to replace Reince Priebus as White House Chief of Staff in an attempt to bring more stability to the White House.[3] He was the first career military officer to serve in the position since Alexander Haig during the Reagan administration.(Haig is famous for saying when Reagan was shot..“I’m in control here”
John F. Kelly - Wikipedia

I respect Kelly's military experience and I tend to ignore the gossip of the MSM but here is a biased report regarding Kelly being fired by Trump.
John Kelly to leave as Trump White House chief of staff at end of year

There are biased reports on all sides. Pick an issue and I’ll pull up an article from a liberal source and then a conservative source and it will be like to two completely different things. This General that you respect decides to point out the Fox News bias in his speech which I found interesting.


I probably watch more Fox than the other stations with exception of their nutball opinionists. I’m not hating on Fox, I’m just making aN observation

Yes you are right! There is biased reporting on both sides.
The problem is that the vast majority of MSM outlets are Anti-Trump as the voting studies pointed out. Did you not
read that 96% of reporters voted for Hillary against Trump?
Do you really believe watching both sides of the issue that there are equal number of anti-Trump media as Trump media?
Really you believe that.

I don't know how to convince you as facts don't seem to have a bearing.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials
100 news organizations have reportedly agreed to publish anti-Trump editorials in response to the president’s rhetoric about the media. The Boston Globe last week asked news organizations to publish editorials condemning the president’s attitude towards the press.
Over 100 News Outlets Reportedly Agree To Publish Anti-Trump Editorials

So here we have 100 news outlets trying to defend their "impartiality" by criticizing Trump's criticism?

Does that make for biased media or what?

President Donald Trump's attacks on the news media continue to spook journalists, First Amendment defenders and government ethics experts. His comments are scaring the media and generally are unprecedented in U.S. history.
There's only one problem: Trump's got a point.
ABC News blunder helps Trump score a point in his war on 'fake news'

I don’t think the number of pro or anti trump orgs really matters. In today’s world we can find whatever it is we are looking for. It isn’t hard. Fox is the largest cable news network in America, conservative media dominates the radio, the Wall Street journal is one of the largest publications... so there is no shortage in options for people to tune into.

so really... point are you trying to make?

I guess I didn't make my point clear with the facts.
100 news outlets publish anti-Trump editorials. Why are they publishing them?

I think the non stop lies and shit talk and personal attacks that Trump throws at them plays a part. Don’t you? Also the fact that editorialists are paid for their opinions and in today’s world controversy and drama are what draw clicks so everything is juiced up and painted in a way to go viral. Hyperbole is taking over, not honesty nor integrity