Trump seizes credit for Afghan withdrawal

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Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

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I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.

Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


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I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
 
As Biden says "the buck stops with me". He reversed most of Trumps policies without a second of thought and his followers, Big Tech and MSM were glib about it. Are Americans better today? That's for you to decide. He easily could have reversed this decision. Clearly he and Obama agreed with Trumps decision on this.

Moreover, many countries leave conflicts. It was how it was conducted, especially after 20 years in that shytehole. It should have been far smoother and the military should have been in far better control and informed.

Apparently these military advisers told him to NOT leave in such a manner and he overruled them. That's his power as an elected leader.
 
Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

View attachment 528192
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.


Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


View attachment 528201
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump withdrew the invitation to negotiate for peace at Camp David because the Taliban breached the conditions of the agreement, not because of bi-partisan opposition.

Biden ignored the agreement conditions by abandoning bases, equipment, weapons and munitions in a chickenshit total withdrawal in the middle of the night, thus inviting a massive and immediate revival of the Taliban that stranded tens of thousands of American citizens and Afghan allies behind enemy lines.

You are just another stupid liberal POS.
 
Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

View attachment 528192
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.


Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


View attachment 528201
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
:lmao:

My God do I hope this was posted ironically...

If not it's just sad. :sad:
 
Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

View attachment 528192
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.


Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


View attachment 528201
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump forced nothing on Biden, as Biden has reversed every Trump agreement, policy, and program he can / could. So for anyone NOW to say Biden's historic, epic Afghanistan failure is because of something Trump FORCED on Biden is complete BULLSHIT.
 
Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

View attachment 528192
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.


Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


View attachment 528201
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Link?
 
Trump withdrew the invitation to negotiate for peace at Camp David because the Taliban breached the conditions of the agreement, not because of bi-partisan opposition.

Biden ignored the agreement conditions by abandoning bases, equipment, weapons and munitions in a chickenshit total withdrawal in the middle of the night, thus inviting a massive and immediate revival of the Taliban that stranded tens of thousands of American citizens and Afghan allies behind enemy lines.

You are just another stupid liberal POS.
If you are unable to challenge the accuracy of any of the quotations from Trump and members of the Trump administation that I posted, so be it.
 
Trump forced nothing on Biden, as Biden has reversed every Trump agreement, policy, and program he can / could. So for anyone NOW to say Biden's historic, epic Afghanistan failure is because of something Trump FORCED on Biden is complete BULLSHIT.
If no one can challenge any of the quotations from Trump and members of the Trump administration that I posted, so be it.
 


"I started the process.
All the troops are coming back home.
They couldn't stop the process!
They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to,
but it was very tough to stop the process ...
It’s a shame. 21 years, by a government that wouldn’t last.
The only way they last is if we’re there!"

June 26, 2021

[Donald Trump Wellington, Ohio Rally Speech Transcript: First Rally Since Leaving Office]


If no one can challenge any of the quotations from Trump and members of the Trump administration that I posted, so be it.
 
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If no one can challenge any of the quotations from Trump and members of the Trump administration that I posted, so be it.
Your entire arguments premise has already been addressed and debunked.

You want to claim that Trump's policies, agreements, etc... were forced on Biden; however Biden's top priority once he got in. It seemed, was to reverse every Trump policy, agreement, process, etc...

Why then, accirding to you, did Biden suddenly become a weak bit@h and surrender to adhering to anything Trump had put into place?

What you are saying is that Biden was andcontinues to be a weak, inept Commander and Chief, one who was/is both inflexible and indecisive.

Why did Biden 'listen to Trump and follow what Trump had done but REFUSED to listen and heed his own hand-picked military & CIA advisors?

Doesn't pass the 'smell test' or fit the pattern of everything Biden has done so far.

So, as everyone should, I reject your premise / argument.
 
Your entire arguments premise has already been addressed and debunked.

You want to claim that Trump's policies, agreements, etc... were forced on Biden; however Biden's top priority once he got in. It seemed, was to reverse every Trump policy, agreement, process, etc...

Why then, accirding to you, did Biden suddenly become a weak bit@h and surrender to adhering to anything Trump had put into place?

What you are saying is that Biden was andcontinues to be a weak, inept Commander and Chief, one who was/is both inflexible and indecisive.

Why did Biden 'listen to Trump and follow what Trump had done but REFUSED to listen and heed his own hand-picked military & CIA advisors?

Doesn't pass the 'smell test' or fit the pattern of everything Biden has done so far.

So, as everyone should, I reject your premise / argument.
I understand that you do not like my accurately posting quotations from Trump and others who served in the Trump administration.


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"I started the process.
All the troops are coming back home.
They couldn't stop the process!
They couldn’t stop the process. They wanted to,
but it was very tough to stop the process ...
It’s a shame. 21 years, by a government that wouldn’t last.
The only way they last is if we’re there!"


June 26, 2021
The cited, indisputable statements by Trump and others wreak havoc with the fake narrative some hyper-partisans are attempting to contrive.
 
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Trump forced nothing on Biden, as Biden has reversed every Trump agreement, policy, and program he can / could.
So Trump is lying his ass off as usual when he said he made Biden withdraw and supposedly Biden didn't want to, correct?

He is lying there, so he could take the credit for the withdrawal even though Biden is the one seeing this through obviously.

The buck stops with Biden, it's his withdrawal now, but Trump and you Trumpsters need to have a nice hot cup of stfu - you are in that same withdrawal boat and there is ZERO reason to think it would be any smoother if he was the President.
 
Trump, by his own modest estimation, just a couple of months ago, acknowledged that it was his policy that he forced upon Biden:

View attachment 528192
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
Trump's UN Ambassador Nikki Haley tweeted Wednesday, “To have our Generals say that they are depending on diplomacy with the Taliban is an unbelievable scenario. Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil!”
Trump had briefly invited the Taliban to Camp David in 2019 ... before reversing course amid a bipartisan outcry.
Regarding Trump’s Doha Agreement with the Taliban, Trump’s former national security adviser, H.R. McMaster: “Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban…This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Lisa Curtis, an expert on South and Central Asia who served on Trump’s National Security Council for four years, including when the Taliban deal was signed: The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban.”
She said the deal was too heavily weighted in the Taliban’s favor and undermined Afghan President Ashraf Ghani, who ultimately fled the country this weekend… She cited the deal forcing Ghani to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners who likely played a role in taking over the country.“Really, somebody has to look at that and why that happened,” Curtis said.
The Trump administration negotiated – and bragged about – an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw U.S. forces from the county by May 1, 2021. Trump’s defense secretary at the time, Mark Esper: Trump ‘undermined’ that deal by pushing for US forces to leave Afghanistan without the Taliban meeting the underlying conditions.


Trump's normally fawning Fox News had exposed how desperate the Loser was to appease the Taliban:

Another historic Camp David summit was not to be.
We didn’t learn until late Saturday that President Trump planned to meet with Taliban leaders at the Maryland retreat to finalize a peace deal for Afghanistan. That news came through presidential tweets announcing that the secret session had been canceled, in the wake of a Taliban attack whose victims included an American soldier.
Simply put, it is hard for many Americans to stomach that the Taliban, who harbored Osama bin Laden in the run-up to 9/11, would be given a civilized welcome by a president of the United States in those storied cabins--especially with the anniversary of that terrible day approaching.
But what rankles most of all is the venue. The Vietnam peace talks were held in Paris. The two summits with Kim Jong-un were in Singapore and Hanoi. The summit meeting with Vladimir Putin was in Helsinki. To invite the terroristic Taliban to Camp David, whatever the negotiating details, is really hard to swallow.


View attachment 528201
I started the process. All the troops are coming home.
They couldn’t stop the process. They couldn’t stop the process.
They wanted to, but it was very tough to stop the process!”
FUCK OFF

with this shit.
 
Trump forced nothing on Biden, as Biden has reversed every Trump agreement, policy, and program he can / could.
So Trump is lying his ass off as usual when he said he made Biden withdraw and supposedly Biden didn't want to, correct?

He is lying there, so he could take the credit for the withdrawal even though Biden is the one seeing this through obviously.

The buck stops with Biden, it's his withdrawal now, but Trump and his Trumpster needs to shut the fuck up, he is in that same withdrawal boat and there is ZERO reason to think it would be any smoother if he was the President.

You can ask the Kurds how much Trump cares about American allies when he pulls the the troops out.
 

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