Trump said he might have to close Mosques :D

[ogibillm]

your claim was that the supremacy clause trumped the first amendment. such a thing is impossible because there is no conflict between the supremacy clause and the first amendment or any other portion of the constitution.

Sure there is. You obviously know very little about this subject, and you are displaying that. The 1st amendment is the weakest part of the Constitution. Unlike the Supremacy Clause (which is the strongest part of the Constitution), the 1st amendment has many EXCEPTIONS to it. You don't know that ?

One of these is that religions cannot be supreme over the Constitution. If they demand to be (ie, is they are supremacist - like Islam), they are automatically in violation of the Constitution. And unlike the 1st amendment (with its many exceptions), the Supremacy Clause has no exceptions, and has never has had any for 226 years.

you're just making shit up. you really don't have a clue, do you?

i don't know how to make this clearer to you but the supremacy clause says that the states can't interfere with the functioning of the federal government, and that when there is a conflict federal law trumps state.

there is no part of the supremacy clause that says that any thoughts or ideas are illegal.

 

[ogibillm]

right. most people.
italy not allowing access to tax funds - yet - is different from italy not accepting that islam is a religion. but you can't grasp the supremacy clause so i don't expect you to wrap your mind around that..

NO, it is NOT different one iota. What a stupid thing to say. Why do you think Italy does not grant Islam religious tax status. Because they need more tax money ? Because they like pork too much ? Because they hate foot-washing basins ? Stop talking stupid. Italy is consistent with most of the world, which realizes that Islam using religion as a shield, is nothing more than a 1400 year old SCAM, which you appear to have fallen for, whole hog.

they don't do it because the disparate factions of islam in italy have not agreed on the accord necessary.

but it doesn't matter. not granting them tax funds in no way disallows the practice of italy's second largest religion.

 

[protectionist]

and that is why you are an idiot. the supremacy clause allows for no such thing.
here's the deal, you can believe that space aliens grant you the ability to ignore any law you want, that you can command your neighbor to cut your grass and then eat his peanut butter, but the law says otherwise, and when you are arrested and go to court your claim that space aliens said it was okay doesn't matter because... the law is supreme.

but what really matters, and what the supremacy clause actually deals with, is the conflict of laws between the states and the federal government - and in such cases the state laws are trumped by the federal.

but in no way shape or form does the supremacy clause allow for the outlawing of any religion - even if you don't think it's a religion - or the denial of the right of individuals to freely associate or their right to free speech

Oh, thanks so much for enlightening me to that federal/state talking point that I have now heard for the 700,00th time since 1959.

And what's even funnier is you think the Supremacy Clause cannot trump over free speech. Are you not even aware that not only can does the Supremacy Clause allow for that, so do US Codes (ex. 2384 Seditious Conspiracy & 2385 Overthrow of Govt) both of which Islam is also in violation of.

In addition to that, here's more education for you >> free speech has many exceptions with US laws (as mentioned in the Supremacy Clause) which overrule free speech. examples are >> slander, libel, perjury, threats, fighting words, inciting a riot, obscenity laws, child pornography, disturbing the peace, copyright infringment, etc (there's 10 examples right there) And THAT is the REAL "deal"

You're having a problem here, only because you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[protectionist]

you're just making shit up. you really don't have a clue, do you?

i don't know how to make this clearer to you but the supremacy clause says that the states can't interfere with the functioning of the federal government, and that when there is a conflict federal law trumps state.

there is no part of the supremacy clause that says that any thoughts or ideas are illegal.

Oh you're "clear" all right. You're clear that you have run out of words, and are REPEATING yourself, because you (of course) have no counter to the simple truth that the Supremacy Clause does not allow supremacisms. Simple as that.

 

[protectionist]

they don't do it because the disparate factions of islam in italy have not agreed on the accord necessary.

but it doesn't matter. not granting them tax funds in no way disallows the practice of italy's second largest religion.

First of all, it's not a religion, or even anything close. and even if it was, that would make no difference. The Italians obviously reject the preposterous notion of Islam being a religion, and therfore, don't grant it religious tax status. That's WHY they haven't agreed on the accord (or whatever you choose to call it) Ho hum. Yawn*****

 

[ogibillm]

and that is why you are an idiot. the supremacy clause allows for no such thing.
here's the deal, you can believe that space aliens grant you the ability to ignore any law you want, that you can command your neighbor to cut your grass and then eat his peanut butter, but the law says otherwise, and when you are arrested and go to court your claim that space aliens said it was okay doesn't matter because... the law is supreme.

but what really matters, and what the supremacy clause actually deals with, is the conflict of laws between the states and the federal government - and in such cases the state laws are trumped by the federal.

but in no way shape or form does the supremacy clause allow for the outlawing of any religion - even if you don't think it's a religion - or the denial of the right of individuals to freely associate or their right to free speech

Oh, thanks so much for enlightening me to that federal/state talking point that I have now heard for the 700,00th time since 1959.

and yet you still don't understand the supremacy clause. what does that say about you?

And what's even funnier is you think the Supremacy Clause cannot trump over free speech.

because it can't

Are you not even aware that not only can does the Supremacy Clause allow for that, so do US Codes (ex. 2384 Seditious Conspiracy & 2385 Overthrow of Govt) both of which Islam is also in violation of.

it is your opinion that islam violates those laws. it is not the opinion of many muslims living in the united states. those laws would allow you to arrest anyone conspiring to use force against the government. they do not allow you to outlaw a religion or shut down mosques.

In addition to that, here's more education for you >> free speech has many exceptions with US laws (as mentioned in the Supremacy Clause)

show one exception to free speech mentioned in the supremacy clause. just one will do.

which overrule free speech. examples are >> slander, libel, perjury, threats, fighting words, inciting a riot, obscenity laws, child pornography, disturbing the peace, copyright infringment, etc (there's 10 examples right there) And THAT is the REAL "deal"

You're having a problem here, only because you don't know what you're talking about.

there are limits on free speech. there is not a limit that allows for the outlawing of a religion.

 

[ogibillm]

you're just making shit up. you really don't have a clue, do you?

i don't know how to make this clearer to you but the supremacy clause says that the states can't interfere with the functioning of the federal government, and that when there is a conflict federal law trumps state.

there is no part of the supremacy clause that says that any thoughts or ideas are illegal.

Oh you're "clear" all right. You're clear that you have run out of words, and are REPEATING yourself, because you (of course) have no counter to the simple truth that the Supremacy Clause does not allow supremacisms. Simple as that.

you're claiming the moon is made out of cheese. it doesn't matter how many times someone tells you it isn't you just keep citing yourself claiming it is.

you are an idiot that would have failed any decent civics class. your understanding of english must also be fairly poor as well if you can read the supremacy clause and believe that allows the outlawing of religion when the constitution clearly says that congress can do no such thing.

 

[ogibillm]

they don't do it because the disparate factions of islam in italy have not agreed on the accord necessary.

but it doesn't matter. not granting them tax funds in no way disallows the practice of italy's second largest religion.

First of all, it's not a religion, or even anything close. and even if it was, that would make no difference. The Italians obviously reject the preposterous notion of Islam being a religion, and therfore, don't grant it religious tax status. That's WHY they haven't agreed on the accord (or whatever you choose to call it) Ho hum. Yawn*****

wow. you'll just make anything up, won't you?

 

[protectionist]

wow. you'll just make anything up, won't you?

No, I make nothing up. And YOU KNOW IT, Mohammed. And you're not bringing anything to the discussion here, other than a pro-Muslim talking point, that burned out 25 years ago.

 

[protectionist]

you're claiming the moon is made out of cheese. it doesn't matter how many times someone tells you it isn't you just keep citing yourself claiming it is.

you are an idiot that would have failed any decent civics class. your understanding of english must also be fairly poor as well if you can read the supremacy clause and believe that allows the outlawing of religion when the constitution clearly says that congress can do no such thing.

Oh, but the Constitution also says that that with freedom of speech, "congress can do no such thing" yet as we saw in Post # 483, Congress HAS done just that, numerous times. I am wasting valuable time talking to a fool who refused to bend to the obvious, and you're getting nowhere fast. You make me have to repeat. I say nothing about outlawing of religion, in particular, but just that the Supremacy Clause outlaws all and any supremacism, including Islam. Ho hum.

 

[protectionist]

there are limits on free speech. there is not a limit that allows for the outlawing of a religion.

1. Lets get down to the nitty gritty. You are a Muslim, you support the imposition of Islamic Sharia Law (the codification of the Koran) over the US Constitution, and you're trying to ram it down America's throat, and you have as much chance of doing that, as a rock in the bottom of a pond.

2. Outlawing Islam and closing its mosques is simply the enforcement of the Supremacy Clause, of which Islam is , of course, in violation of.

3. OK, student. The exceptions to free speech are related to the first 9 words of the Supremacy Clause >>
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States .....

4. Of course there is a law that allows for the limiting of a religion. That is any religion that happens to be a supremacism. (Ex. Islam)

5. I'm outta here. Got better things to do than see you repeating yourself because you have no answers.

 

[ogibillm]

For over fifty years everyone has been telling you the meaning of the Supremacy Clause and that your interpretation is wrong. I have no idea why i thought you'd be open to reality today.

Keep on believing your crazy anti-american beliefs, and keep hoping for the fascism you so clearly desire

 

[ogibillm]

there are limits on free speech. there is not a limit that allows for the outlawing of a religion.

1. Lets get down to the nitty gritty. You are a Muslim

nope

 

[jillian]

Donald Trump: 'Strongly consider' shutting mosques - CNNPolitics.com

now we talkin'

...i'm onboard

tell us again how the rightwingnuts are "patriotic" and want to "defend the constitution".

ever hear about a little thing called the first amendment.

it doesn't only protect religion that you like.

funny how that works.

 

[jillian]

Unconstitutional.

Not only is it not unconstitutional to close the mosques, it is unconstitutional to allow them to be open, and that has been the case for 226 years. Islam is a supremacism. It is the largest and most clear-cut supremacism in the world. As such, it is 100% ILLEGAL/UNCONSTITUTIONAL, so says US Constitution Article 6, Section 2, the Supremacy Clause >>

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

What part of the First Amendment sails over you America-haters' heads?

Read it again:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.​

Where do you North Koreans get the authority to shut down a religion without a law?

facts confuse them.

 

[protectionist]

For over fifty years everyone has been telling you the meaning of the Supremacy Clause and that your interpretation is wrong. I have no idea why i thought you'd be open to reality today.

Keep on believing your crazy anti-american beliefs, and keep hoping for the fascism you so clearly desire

FALSE! I have NOT been told your liberal (concocted) version of the Supremacy Clause,by "everyone" as you say. I have only been told that by liberals. Since liberals are predominant in universities (wrecking the minds of American youth), many people who get little or no different perspective, think that this is "everyone's" view, and that it must be right.

In reality, it is ludicrous, and in my college years, thankfully, I had at least a few professors who taught the Supremacy clause as it truly is, which is that it proclaims the Constitution to be supreme over all else, and that everything must submit to it (not the liberal spin version). This disallows anyone or anything from proclaiming itself to be above the Constitution. Problem with Islam is, it tries to do just that.

So here is a question for you. Do you agree that Islam proclaims its Sharia law (codification of the Koran) to be above the Constitution, and that everything must submit to IT ? (Yes or no)

 

[protectionist]

tell us again how the rightwingnuts are "patriotic" and want to "defend the constitution".
ever hear about a little thing called the first amendment.
it doesn't only protect religion that you like.
funny how that works.

Ever hear about a little thing called the Supremacy Clause (Constitution Article 6, Section 2) ? It doesn't allow a religion to be supreme over it (or anything else). That's how that works.

 

[protectionist]

facts confuse them.

Facts don't confuse Muslim supremacists. They simply lie about Islam being supreme over the Constitution. They push the notion that even the Constitution must submit to Islam. This is pure lunacy.

EARTH TO MUSLIM SUPREMACISTS: In America, NOTHING is supreme except the Constitution, and the laws of the United States.

 

[ogibillm]

For over fifty years everyone has been telling you the meaning of the Supremacy Clause and that your interpretation is wrong. I have no idea why i thought you'd be open to reality today.

Keep on believing your crazy anti-american beliefs, and keep hoping for the fascism you so clearly desire

FALSE! I have NOT been told your liberal (concocted) version of the Supremacy Clause,by "everyone" as you say. I have only been told that by liberals. Since liberals are predominant in universities (wrecking the minds of American youth), many people who get little or no different perspective, think that this is "everyone's" view, and that it must be right.

In reality, it is ludicrous, and in my college years, thankfully, I had at least a few professors who taught the Supremacy clause as it truly is, which is that it proclaims the Constitution to be supreme over all else, and that everything must submit to it (not the liberal spin version). This disallows anyone or anything from proclaiming itself to be above the Constitution. Problem with Islam is, it tries to do just that.

So here is a question for you. Do you agree that Islam proclaims its Sharia law (codification of the Koran) to be above the Constitution, and that everything must submit to IT ? (Yes or no)

i'm sorry. i should have said you've been told the truth by everyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge on how the Constitution works. others have lied to you and helped you concoct the idiocy you spew now.

 

[ogibillm]

tell us again how the rightwingnuts are "patriotic" and want to "defend the constitution".
ever hear about a little thing called the first amendment.
it doesn't only protect religion that you like.
funny how that works.

Ever hear about a little thing called the Supremacy Clause (Constitution Article 6, Section 2) ? It doesn't allow a religion to be supreme over it (or anything else). That's how that works.

you don't seem to understand that even if that carried to personal beliefs (it doesn't) in no way does it allow for the banning of a religion.