Trump loses Utah... In the general

[JakeStarkey]

Book marked for you, bub.

 

[sarahgop]

Trump would get 70+ in utah in Nov. right now romneyland is marching to romneys orders. doubt they will vote for hillary if he commands them to.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump would get 70+ in utah in Nov. right now romneyland is marching to romneys orders. doubt they will vote for hillary if he commands them to.

Sarahgop, you are so very very wrong and misinformed. They hate Trump in that state. If Romney and those like him say to not vote or vote third party, that is what will happen. Trump will lose WA, OR, CA, maybe ID, NV, UT, maybe AZ, NM. We simply, those of us in the GOP who want to see it survive, won't vote for him.

 

[Missourian]

Nominating Trump will put some traditional Republican states into play.

In the latest Utah Republican poll, Trump is polling at 11%. That's 11%.

Even I think that can't be right.

Trump will likely win Arizona and lose Utah...for the same reason

 

[Missourian]

Maybe.

But if Trump is making inroads amongst blue collar and independents, you'd think he'd be making similar inroads in his home state.

Thus far, he doesn't appear to be.

I wouldn't bet on Democrats winning Utah, and this may be a bad poll, but it's the second poll in recent days showing Trump's weakness in traditional Republican states. A recent poll had him tied with Hillary in Arizona.

Pre-nomination polling is useless...mostly because it's not 1950 anymore. Folks know the power of polling, and if they are for Cruz, or Kasich, of course they say they are going to vote for Hillary.

Let's take a look at the polling you are referencing:

With the November general election just eight months away, Arizona pollster Bruce Merrill found an equal amount of voters across the state have chosen Trump and Clinton to be their president: 38 percent for each.

However, Merrill also found that 15 percent of Arizona voters are undecided in the general election contest. Another nine percent said they would not vote for either candidate if they both made it to November.

The poll found Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would fare better among Arizona voters in a general election than Clinton, with 41 percent for the Republican candidate and 35 percent for the former Secretary of State.

If it came down to a Cruz-Clinton contest, 24 percent of voters said they are undecided or would not vote for either.

Trump, Clinton tied in general election poll for Arizona
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So, with a 3% margin of error AND 24% not decided...the candidates, Cruz and Trump are statistically tied with each other and tied with Hillary IN A STATE THAT ISN'T A TOSSUP STATE.

So...bullshit. Poll is worthless.

 

[Missourian]

Those polls are heavily misleading though in that the Democrat nominee is known and Democrats are starting to coalesce around her while the Republican nominee isn't and supporters of particular candidates tend to say must more frequently they won't support the other

Trump has for many months consistently polled worse versus both Clinton and Sanders compared to the other Republican candidates.

It's one thing for voters to say something to pollsters. It's quite another when part of the party says they will never support their own candidate.

#NeverTrump

Reagan polled 15 points behind Carter at this point, AND Kerry polled 10 points over Bush Jr. at same...how'd they turn out?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Missourian, your comparison with Reagan and Carter is not analogous at all to this election cycle, other than Reagan was behind.

That Trump cannot win a general election is what is different.

 

[Toro]

Those polls are heavily misleading though in that the Democrat nominee is known and Democrats are starting to coalesce around her while the Republican nominee isn't and supporters of particular candidates tend to say must more frequently they won't support the other

Trump has for many months consistently polled worse versus both Clinton and Sanders compared to the other Republican candidates.

It's one thing for voters to say something to pollsters. It's quite another when part of the party says they will never support their own candidate.

#NeverTrump

Reagan polled 15 points behind Carter at this point, AND Kerry polled 10 points over Bush Jr. at same...how'd they turn out?

Kerry never polled 10 points above Bush. Bush led in most polls. Bush never trailed Kerry in more than 80% of the polls up until this point, as Trump has trailed Clinton.

2004 - General Election: Bush vs. Kerry | RealClearPolitics

Bush also never had the sky-high negatives Trump has, nor did he piss off Hispanics in record numbers as Trump has. Bush won about 40% of Hispanics. Trump will be lucky to win half that.

In 46 Trump v Clinton polls, Trump has led in 6. This is one of the worst records in polling history between any two Presidential candidates.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Trump can easily lose AZ, UT, NV, and ID.

 

[Avatar4321]

Trump would get 70+ in utah in Nov. right now romneyland is marching to romneys orders. doubt they will vote for hillary if he commands them to.

You realize the opposition to Trump in Utah started months before Romney said a thing, right?

Kind of sad though if a loser can make Trump lose so badly. Either Romney is no big deal or he is controlling everything. You can't really claim both

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Trump would get 70+ in utah in Nov. right now romneyland is marching to romneys orders. doubt they will vote for hillary if he commands them to.

You realize the opposition to Trump in Utah started months before Romney said a thing, right?

Kind of sad though if a loser can make Trump lose so badly. Either Romney is no big deal or he is controlling everything. You can't really claim both

its interesting to see that Trump has more support in the states that are estimated to have the most illegals, and less support in those states that have not yet been infested.
To me this is a clear indication that compassion for the beaners declines as people start seeing more of them and the damage they do in their communities.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maryland, you are an autistic chatter monkey, nothing more. Utah, for instance, is probably 25% Hispanic in the schools of the Salt Lake Valley, yet Trump is going to get his ass handed to him there today.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Here is the breakdown:
66.6% % of Mormon males are jack-Mormons who drink coffee, smoke cigarettes, and fuck whores. Trump carries this demographic by a 77.7% margin

Dang, hope my wife don't find out I'm a jack Mormon.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Maryland, you are an autistic chatter monkey, nothing more. Utah, for instance, is probably 25% Hispanic in the schools of the Salt Lake Valley, yet Trump is going to get his ass handed to him there today.

Trump is going to the white house.
sorry about your luck. Do you need a map out of the country when the revenge for obama starts?

 

[JoeNormal]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

LOL.... This is actually one of the most laughable threads of the day ..Trump will lose Utah to Cruz in the primary But the leftist will never win Utah in the General you're dreaming

I have my condo in downtown SLC for years, and I fully understand the Utah mind. The following from the link is just so right to me and others who understand Utah.

"The poll found that may well be true. Utah voters said they would reject Trump, the GOP frontrunner, whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot.

While Clinton was only slightly ahead of Trump — 38 percent to 36 percent — Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, holds a substantial lead — 48 percent to 37 percent over the billionaire businessman and reality TV star among likely Utah voters."

"Wow. Wow. That's surprising," said Chris Karpowitz, co-director of Brigham Young University's Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy. "Any matchup in which Democrats are competitive in the state of Utah is shocking."

The LDS Church is strongly signaling that Trump is an unacceptable candidate.

They'll change their mind if Trump actually becomes the Republican nominee. Some former church leader said that you couldn't be a good Mormon if you weren't republican and it stuck.

When the prophet decides, the thinking has been done.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

LOL.... This is actually one of the most laughable threads of the day ..Trump will lose Utah to Cruz in the primary But the leftist will never win Utah in the General you're dreaming

I have my condo in downtown SLC for years, and I fully understand the Utah mind. The following from the link is just so right to me and others who understand Utah.

"The poll found that may well be true. Utah voters said they would reject Trump, the GOP frontrunner, whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot.

While Clinton was only slightly ahead of Trump — 38 percent to 36 percent — Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, holds a substantial lead — 48 percent to 37 percent over the billionaire businessman and reality TV star among likely Utah voters."

"Wow. Wow. That's surprising," said Chris Karpowitz, co-director of Brigham Young University's Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy. "Any matchup in which Democrats are competitive in the state of Utah is shocking."

The LDS Church is strongly signaling that Trump is an unacceptable candidate.

They'll change their mind if Trump actually becomes the Republican nominee. Some former church leader said that you couldn't be a good Mormon if you weren't republican and it stuck.

When the prophet decides, the thinking has been done.

Considering that many of the Mormon church leaders have been Democrats, and obamas butt dripping by the name of Harry Reid claims to be Mormon, I have a hard time believing that some (conveniently) unnamed church leader told the people they could not be Mormon if they were not republicans.
I sure you would be able to clear this up with a link to this statement.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maryland, the Church leadership is overwhelmingly GOP. I told her what you said, and she broke out laughing and asked in which universe you love.

You are talking about a culture you know nothing about, nothing.

You are saying things not based on reality because it makes you "feels" good. You sound like a socialist.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Maryland, the Church leadership is overwhelmingly GOP. I told her what you said, and she broke out laughing and asked in which universe you love.

You are talking about a culture you know nothing about, nothing.

You are saying things not based on reality because it makes you "feels" good. You sound like a socialist.

She? who is she.
universe I LOVE? WTF?
Things not based on reality? I can show links, I actually looked up and tried to find your "facts" they don't exist.
Feel good? I don't really care either way, but I am tired of you idiots making up facts and not being able to verify them in any way.
So, If Im saying things not based on reality, but your statements based on reality, I just expect you to be able to prove it with a little more than some imagined "She" that is laughing because Im loving in a different universe.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Maryland, the Church leadership is overwhelmingly GOP. I told her what you said, and she broke out laughing and asked in which universe you love.

You are talking about a culture you know nothing about, nothing.

You are saying things not based on reality because it makes you "feels" good. You sound like a socialist.

She? who is she.
universe I LOVE? WTF?
Things not based on reality? I can show links, I actually looked up and tried to find your "facts" they don't exist.
Feel good? I don't really care either way, but I am tired of you idiots making up facts and not being able to verify them in any way.
So, If Im saying things not based on reality, but your statements based on reality, I just expect you to be able to prove it with a little more than some imagined "She" that is laughing because Im loving in a different universe.

The General Authorities are overwhelmingly GOP. If you deny it, then either you are ignorant or stupid or lying. I don't have to prove it, because you made the assertion. Get to it , lame-o.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Maryland, the Church leadership is overwhelmingly GOP. I told her what you said, and she broke out laughing and asked in which universe you love.

You are talking about a culture you know nothing about, nothing.

You are saying things not based on reality because it makes you "feels" good. You sound like a socialist.

She? who is she.
universe I LOVE? WTF?
Things not based on reality? I can show links, I actually looked up and tried to find your "facts" they don't exist.
Feel good? I don't really care either way, but I am tired of you idiots making up facts and not being able to verify them in any way.
So, If Im saying things not based on reality, but your statements based on reality, I just expect you to be able to prove it with a little more than some imagined "She" that is laughing because Im loving in a different universe.

The General Authorities are overwhelmingly GOP. If you deny it, then either you are ignorant or stupid or lying. I don't have to prove it, because you made the assertion. Get to it , lame-o.

So what you are saying is this. You cant prove what you claimed, therefore you are lying, and as such are upset and embarrassed that you were called out on it.
Dude, it happens with liberals all the time. Own it.
one more chance though because Im a fair type of guy. come up with a link where the Mormons were told they cant be Mormon if they vote Democrap and I will make a public apology to you for calling you the liar that you apparently proven yourself to be.
Other than that? I just have to say that you have zero credibility with anything you claim.